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India flexes its muscles, sends Super Hercules aircraft to Ladakh

How Japanese own when Chinese CMA ship enter DYT and all Japan's coast guard do is watch is and warn us with a few slogan? Just like how India is doing also at land border? :lol:

China can't do anything apart from building tents in dead of the nights or sending some fishing boats to catch some Senkaku shrimps. Better your navy should concentrate to learn how the float the casino they bought from Ukraine. :lol:
 
China can't do anything apart from building tents in dead of the nights or sending some fishing boats to catch some Senkaku shrimps. Better your navy should concentrate to learn how the float the casino they bought from Ukraine. :lol:

Yep, China became an economy 4 times larger than India by building tents. perhaps you need to learn from them? Or do you prefer to defecate in the open and live like its the 19th century.
 
Yep, China became an economy 4 times larger than India by building tents. perhaps you need to learn from them? Or do you prefer to defecate in the open and live like its the 19th century.

There are 824 million people(2008) who earn less than 4 $ and here your are talking about some dubious GDP stats which are inflated.
Even the history and social welfare stats are manipulated ones.

Poverty Headcount Ratio (2008)[1]
Poverty Trend World Bank
Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day 39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day 62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day 71.6% (948 million)

Just look at your back before pointing fingers,
lack of human rights,
oppressed,
no freedom of expression,
no connectivity with the rest of the world,
No freedom to practice ones faith,
constant fear of CCP policemen,

And the recent credit crunch which is a in disaster waiting,
Ghost towns , Airports and Ports.

check your country before saying anything about India dude, we are doing fine and continue to do so.
 
There are 824 million people(2008) who earn less than 4 $ and here your are talking about some dubious GDP stats which are inflated.
Even the history and social welfare stats are manipulated ones.

Poverty Headcount Ratio (2008)[1]
Poverty Trend World Bank
Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day 39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day 62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day 71.6% (948 million)

Just look at your back before pointing fingers,
lack of human rights,
oppressed,
no freedom of expression,
no connectivity with the rest of the world,
No freedom to practice ones faith,
constant fear of CCP policemen,

And the recent credit crunch which is a in disaster waiting,
Ghost towns , Airports and Ports.

check your country before saying anything about India dude, we are doing fine and continue to do so.

2008 GDP China 4.5 trillion

2012 GDP China 8.25 trillion

China has its own problems but being the poor sack of **** like India is certainly not one of them.
 
2008 GDP China 4.5 trillion

2012 GDP China 8.25 trillion

China has its own problems but being the poor sack of **** like India is certainly not one of them.


Those stats are manipulated ones

China ‘fraudulently’ adds $1 trillion to economy data

“Given how easy it was to spot obvious statistical manipulation, it is likely that there is plenty of less obvious fraud and that even larger revisions may be required”, The TimeT continues.
The focus of Professor Balding’s research is the manner in which the Chinese government has systematically and consistently manipulated inflation data since China’s economic boom took off in 2000. The professor argues that inflation numbers have been subjected to “significant and systematic irregularities” resulting in ever widening discrepancies between the rate of inflation-adjusted GDP growth and total real GDP. “Over the past 11 years, those discrepancies have widened to produce an 8-12% — or $1 trillion — overstatement of China’s real GDP”, The TimeT reports.
The professor claims that the two main problems with the inflation data are, firstly, that the base data on housing prices is subject to “gross and obvious manipulation”. The second is that the calculation of inflation “is weighted in a way that dimly reflects the reality of 21st-century China”.
The professor is aware that his findings are likely to provoke the Chinese government into a fury: “I suspect that there are going to be some officials who will want to talk to me about this paper,” he told The TimeT, “I keep asking myself, does the Government have a second set of books for the national economy — an non- manipulated version in a backroom somewhere. I don’t think they do and I think that is the problem faced by anyone in charge of China. They do not have accurate data on the economy, yet they are using that inaccurate data to set policy”.
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And then there are manipulations in infra sector, showing ghost cities as GDP rate,

manipulating exports and import figures.

Chinese GDP is not 8 Trillion and is much less than that as the stats are manipulated every year by 10 to 20 percent as central level, leave local govts who manipulate and inflate like hell :lol:.

which infers Chinese percapita income is much less and the income is not distributed equally even though a Communist regime :woot:.

Do not boast your CCP stats here we know what is real strength of China and weakness of it.
 
Those stats are manipulated ones



And then there are manipulations in infra sector, showing ghost cities as GDP rate,

manipulating exports and import figures.

Chinese GDP is not 8 Trillion and is much less than that as the stats are manipulated every year by 10 to 20 percent as central level, leave local govts who manipulate and inflate like hell :lol:.

which infers Chinese percapita income is much less and the income is not distributed equally even though a Communist regime :woot:.

Do not boast your CCP stats here we know what is real strength of China and weakness of it.

Like i've said before, you don't have to believe the numbers. The fact china out consumes, out produces everybody else speaks for the economy. The average chinese living much longer and fulfilling lives, the chinese are the world largest spender when it comes to overseas tourism. I guess according to Indian logic, the foreign countries must of faked stats to make china number 1 too?

Firms like volkswagen who treat china like their home market must be complete morons since according to indians Chinese economy is tiny and collapsing.

Indians can't argue based on merit so you have to resort to smearing, pathetic as usual.
 
Like i've said before, you don't have to believe the numbers. The fact china out consumes, out produces everybody else speaks for the economy. The average chinese living much longer and fulfilling lives, the chinese are the world largest spender when it comes to overseas tourism. I guess according to Indian logic, the foreign countries must of faked stats to make china number 1 too?

Foreign countries faking stats of China has to do with Slowing down of Europe and USA. Dude do not talk about the social welfare manipulated stats also. We do not believe anything that CCP says.
 
Those stats are manipulated ones



And then there are manipulations in infra sector, showing ghost cities as GDP rate,

manipulating exports and import figures.

Chinese GDP is not 8 Trillion and is much less than that as the stats are manipulated every year by 10 to 20 percent as central level, leave local govts who manipulate and inflate like hell :lol:.

which infers Chinese percapita income is much less and the income is not distributed equally even though a Communist regime :woot:.

Do not boast your CCP stats here we know what is real strength of China and weakness of it.

ghost cities? Sure at least they have housing tomorrow for their homeless ,if CCP demands so in future for providing subsidized housing.The only person to be shafted will be the jewish western investors who are known plunderers. Have you seen how private estate builders like BPTP,DLF,Unitech get/steal land. I know of it. In India Western investors are shafting us,while China shafts them.

I sure do think chinese are better.
 
Foreign countries faking stats of China has to do with Slowing down of Europe and USA. Dude do not talk about the social welfare manipulated stats also. We do not believe anything that CCP says.

So you are accusing of foreign countries faking stats for china?
 
ghost cities? Sure at least they have housing tomorrow for their homeless ,if CCP demands so in future for providing subsidized housing.The only person to be shafted will be the jewish western investors who are known plunderers. Have you seen how private estate builders like BPTP,DLF,Unitech get/steal land. I know of it. In India Western investors are shafting us,while China shafts them.

I sure do think chinese are better.

For any ordinary chinese to move into those luxury apartments it will take atleast 5 to 10 years. What happens to the trillions of investments in this sector, they do not yield any returns and the capital is stuck, these cities are a disaster.

So you are accusing of foreign countries faking stats for china?

I am explaining the reason.
 
ghost cities? Sure at least they have housing tomorrow for their homeless ,if CCP demands so in future for providing subsidized housing.The only person to be shafted will be the jewish western investors who are known plunderers. Have you seen how private estate builders like BPTP,DLF,Unitech get/steal land. I know of it. In India Western investors are shafting us,while China shafts them.

I sure do think chinese are better.

What ghost cities, please don't show the 2009 video because every year 30 million chinese move into the cities. even if the chinese build 30 cities a year it wouldn't offset the change in urban rural demographic.
 
For any ordinary chinese to move into those luxury apartments it will take atleast 5 to 10 years. What happens to the trillions of investments in this sector, they do not yield any returns and the capital is stuck, these cities are a disaster.



I am explaining the reason.

who gives a damn about the so called digital currency that Federal Reserve so ardently manipulates.And the money stuck is that of hedge funds ,Western Mega investment banks and corps. A little change in the policy and in the corporate derivative hedging and banking policies and the western corps will liquidate at ultracheap rates.Win win for the common chinese , unlike our administration which sells us to western investors .

What ghost cities, please don't show the 2009 video because every year 30 million chinese move into the cities. even if the chinese build 30 cities a year it wouldn't offset the change in urban rural demographic.

are you telling me?
 
For any ordinary chinese to move into those luxury apartments it will take atleast 5 to 10 years. What happens to the trillions of investments in this sector, they do not yield any returns and the capital is stuck, these cities are a disaster.

I am from an ordinary chinese family, my family is not well connected but before our move abroad my parents got an education and they held down jobs and bought an apartment in Shanghai in the early 90s. Although the same stories can't be applied again in Shanghai with its current property value, but for cities like 30 min away from Shanghai by HSR (like Jiaxing) you can still get a nice apartment with the views and is very much reachable on a mainstream 2 income family.

I know this for a fact, you on the other hand mostly have never been to china or talked to any one who is from there.
 
I am from an ordinary chinese family, my family is not well connected but before our move abroad my parents got an education and they held down jobs and bought an apartment in Shanghai in the early 90s. Although the same stories can't be applied again in Shanghai with its current property value, but for cities like 30 min away from Shanghai by HSR (like Jiaxing) you can still get a nice apartment with the views and is very much reachable on a mainstream 2 income family.

I know this for a fact, you on the other hand mostly have never been to china or talked to any one who is from there.

I agree with you .I too have travelled to Shanghai,Guangzhou,Macau,Hong Kong in the past.But Hong Kong is very overvalued.
 
This is the 2013 report

China's Gleaming Ghost Cities Draw Neither Jobs Nor People

TIELING, China—When this small city in northeastern China launched a plan to build a satellite city 6 miles down the road, it got off to a promising start.

Urban planners spent millions of yuan to clean up surrounding marshland that had become a dumping ground for the city's untreated sewage. A pristine environment, they hoped, would help attract the businesses that would raise incomes and swell the population.

Four years later, Tieling New City is virtually a ghost town.

Clean waterways weave among deserted residential and government buildings. Housing blocks that won recognition from the United Nations for providing good affordable homes are almost empty. The businesses that were supposed to create local employment haven't materialized. Without jobs, there is little incentive for anybody to move here.

Tieling symbolizes the enormous challenges Chinese Premier Li Keqiang faces as he touts urbanization—a process analysts expect will see 250 million people move from rural areas to cities over 20 years—as the force that will ensure his country's economy keeps growing well into the future.

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China seeks economic gain through urbanization, but when one city, Tieling, built a whole new city nearby, it drew few residents.

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"Urbanization will not only drive tremendous consumption and investment demand, and create employment opportunities, but directly affect the well-being of the people," Mr. Li said in March during his first news conference as Chinese premier.

Mr. Li has yet to present a detailed vision of how to achieve his economic goals.

In theory, urbanization stimulates growth because city dwellers typically earn more than their rural counterparts, allowing them to spend more on consumer goods and services.

For the government to realize that payoff, though, it must create jobs that will draw people into the cities. Tieling underscores the difficulty.

Among the few business owners lured to a development park in Tieling New City is Bo Yuquan, the middle-aged owner of a flooring store.

"Where are the people? There's no one here," said Mr. Bo. "I'll be out of business soon. My staff and I are discussing moving to Beijing to find work."

Said Hu Jie, the designer of the new city's landscape: "In 10 to 20 years, Tieling could be a good development, but only if you can manage to bring businesses in."

The Chinese export sector drove earlier waves of urbanization but is thought unlikely to do so again, what with demand still weak in developed economies and rising costs making Chinese goods less competitive globally. Massive overcapacity in many industries, including steel, solar and shipbuilding, will further constrain job creation.

In recent years, cities have filled the gap with construction jobs created by a nationwide investment boom. While that has kept China's economy buoyant, it also has thrown up empty suburbs and ghost cities like Tieling New City across the country.

The investment boom has threatened to fuel inflation and bog down the financial sector with bad loans, particularly if people don't move in and bring the promised economic dividend.

China has a record of building first and creating demand later, notably in Shanghai, where a decade ago the towering new Pudong business district initially failed to attract tenants but later became a symbol of China's success.

Many smaller cities lack the pulling power of Shanghai.

"With more and better job opportunities in higher-tier cities, many lower-tier cities have actually been experiencing a net outflow of population, while land sales [to home builders] there increased rapidly, exacerbating the housing oversupply," wrote Credit Suisse property analyst Du Jinsong in a recent note.

According to population data collected by Mr. Du on 287 Chinese cities, about two-thirds, mostly smaller urban centers, had fewer residents than people who were registered to live there, suggesting people have been leaving their home cities.

Tieling, a city of about 340,000, launched its plan to build a new city in 2005, part of a broader strategy by the Liaoning provincial leadership to revive a local rust-belt economy.

The plan was to stimulate growth around Tieling and six other nearby cities by building highways and high-speed rail lines connecting them with Shenyang, a metropolis that is about a 90-minute drive south of Tieling.

The idea was that companies would be drawn to the satellite cities by cheaper land and lower labor costs, while still enjoying proximity to the region's largest city. Tieling's new city was expected to house 60,000 residents in 2010 and later triple that number.

In 2009 the wetlands' rejuvenation was complete, along with the new city's infrastructure, canals, government offices and some apartment buildings. The new city won a special mention from the U.N. Human Settlements Program for "providing a well-developed and modern living space."

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Urban planners spent millions of yuan to clean up surrounding marshland in this small city in northeastern China. Four years later, Tieling New City is virtually a ghost town.

But come dusk, the lights in row after row of apartment buildings remain off. Salespeople, security guards and the small smattering of residents say almost all of the accommodation is empty.

A development park set up to attract providers of back-office services to financial firms, such as data storage, was supposed to employ 15,000 to 20,000 people by the end of the this year, according to the park's website.

Situated on the outskirts of the new city, the park is easy to miss. It is home to only two companies, one of which, a bank office, employs fewer than 20, said its security guard.

Another park filled with warehouses outside the new city fares little better. Marketed as a trading hub for China's northeast region, it was supposed to foster a logistics industry by taking advantage of Tieling's location near two major highways and a port, with rail links to Shenyang and the rest of the northeast.

Although most of the shop space has been sold, the park lies largely empty except for a handful of wholesalers. Meanwhile, there are plans for the park to double in size, an expansion that would include more apartment buildings.

"The park doesn't have any advantages over Shenyang's wholesale markets," said Liu Wei, a researcher at the government-backed Institute of Comprehensive Transportation, who worked on Tieling's plans for a logistics center.

So far, the new city's greatest success has been a zone dedicated to building special-purpose vehicles such as snowplows.

According to a statement on the Tieling government website in April 2012, the park created 5,000 jobs for rural workers. But it also said the workers had bought apartments in a residential compound across the road from the park, far from the city centers of both old and new Tieling.

The few rural migrants who live in the new city used to farm the land it was built on. Some now work for the new city shoveling snow and sweeping streets.

Local authorities have tried to boost the population by pushing people from the old city into the new. That effort has involved moving government offices into the new city. But so far, most government workers still commute from their existing homes.

The effort also has involved closing schools in the old city and the greater Tieling county and corralling the students into newly built schools in the new city.

According to Sun Baocai, the office director of the Tieling Bureau of Education, 50,000 students are enrolled in classes in the new city, ranging from elementary classes to vocational courses.

The hope is that parents will move to be closer to the schools. But many residents of the old city say that despite the new city's pleasant environment, its lack of services and absence of a community deter them from moving.

Against all this, Tieling is choosing to keep building. The municipal government has rolled out plans to spend a further $1.3 billion on projects in the new city this year, including an art gallery, gymnasium and indoor swimming pool.

That is despite municipal finances coming under increasing stress.

"Financing costs are rising all the time, and raising capital has become even more difficult," the Tieling city government said in its budget forecast for 2013. "Some long-term problems and imbalances have accumulated in the management of the city's finances." It didn't say how it planned to fund the new buildings.

Cui Xinzi runs a stall selling leather jackets at the only shopping center in the new city. Despite having bought an apartment there three years ago, she still lives in the old city and commutes.

Ms. Cui likes the idea of retiring to the new city but isn't optimistic its population will increase. "It still needs more time, but it's really hard to say," she said with a sigh. "They're building a new shopping center, so I hope so."

In China, a New City Attracts Few - WSJ.com

Problem is you people build ghost cities and show them as GDP stats which do not generate income. :angel:

What ghost cities, please don't show the 2009 video because every year 30 million chinese move into the cities. even if the chinese build 30 cities a year it wouldn't offset the change in urban rural demographic.

I am from an ordinary chinese family, my family is not well connected but before our move abroad my parents got an education and they held down jobs and bought an apartment in Shanghai in the early 90s. Although the same stories can't be applied again in Shanghai with its current property value, but for cities like 30 min away from Shanghai by HSR (like Jiaxing) you can still get a nice apartment with the views and is very much reachable on a mainstream 2 income family.

I know this for a fact, you on the other hand mostly have never been to china or talked to any one who is from there.

Good to know that dude, But There are ghost cities close to Shangai as well, please go through the article I have posted.
 
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