India emerges as world's largest arms importer, yet again

[Mentee]

@Mentee there goes the 1 am deadline. And not even a single word about the topic raised.
And he wants to bring radical change in the whole country with over a billion population.
Lol
SHAIKHCHILLI ke haseen sapne.

hell haven't broken loose------there should not be any hard and fast rule regarding time,when one is expected to give viable socio-economic solutions to the problems of a billion and a half folks,isn't it unfair that you are expecting too much from an i.t guy,give him some time sharma g, he'll sure come up with soething valuable, i didn't get one thing he always thinks good of india, bs zra hut k ,then why almost every indian on this forum has a beef with him

 

[Genesis]

India reduces open defecation by 31 per cent: UN report | The Indian Express
We will make it less than 5% by 2022, better than your 10-15% at that time.


Report of 2015,
India: 0.609(130th)
Syria: 0.594(134th)
http://www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf

Well, gap isn't large. Even after that you can see that poverty ratio of Iraq is better than China's. Where is China and where is Iraq?
Rate of improvement of countries is too a great factor. India is fastly improving itself at very high rate, and will keep further improving. It is inevitable.
But I know @jamahir will only spew socialist and Marxist $hit against India.

China's poverty rate is at around 7% more or less. Iraq is around 20%. I don't know where you get you data, but.... Oh and all of China is now provided with electricity, how many countries can say that? Certainly not Iraq.


Now on to this thread, I was hoping to see some debate on this topic, I guess I'll kick off.

Major exported items are guns, tanks, fighter jets, submarines and artillery systems. Major warships are almost never exported, those that can afford it can make it.

Arjun II is still not equipped according to a google search. Tejas also not ready yet, India lacks its own submarine and it's guns are not greatly sought after. China at least have the AK and M4 knock offs, lol.

Artillery, anti tank and these things may exist in India, I have not heard a great deal about them and with the new order of Stingers, India obviously don't have a system of equal calibre.

Even if India did get all of this, this year, there is still the fact, India lacks the prestige in the weapons market, the political pull that all major exporters have, and even less track record in its weapons to be a major player.

What's more, more and more smaller countries are making small weapons, and with China's entry, what use to be a two horse race, now has three, let's not forget South Korea and Japan's entry into these fields.

I can't see a major jump in sales, as those are usually caused by big ticket items, like the Chinese Pakistan 4-5 billion dollar submarine deal.

 

[$@rJen]

Nice to see you are able to find some satisfaction in this otherwise negative news.

there's no negative in it... the fact is China buying Su-35 from Russia while they boast about their domestic aerospace industry and they boast about their SAMs being better quality than the Russian and western ones(trust me some chinesse and pakistanis did here) but they Run to the Russians for S-400..

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Washington streets are filled with beggars/homeless.
Does that mean they are not worlds super power?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

there's no negative in it... the fact is China buying Su-35 from Russia while they boast about their domestic aerospace industry and they boast about their SAMs being better quality than the Russian and western ones(trust me some chinesse and pakistanis did here) but they Run to the Russians for S-400..

We'll leave the "boasting" part to you guys.

India to become superpower by 2012: Kalam - Economic Times

On topic, interesting that we've become the 3rd largest weapons exporter in the world. That is a pretty huge jump.

 

[nik141993]

We'll leave the "boasting" part to you guys.

India to become superpower by 2012: Kalam - Economic Times

On topic, interesting that we've become the 3rd largest weapons exporter in the world. That is a pretty huge jump.

Your top importers are Pakistan, Bangladesh & Myanmar accounting to 80% of sale & kalam joke is getting old come up with something new

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Your top importers are Pakistan, Bangladesh & Myanmar accounting to 80% of sale & kalam joke is getting old come up with something new

And what is wrong with Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar? They are developing countries, just like us.

As for what Kalam said, that is just to show which side is more boastful. So when your countrymen accuse others of boasting, let them look in the mirror first.

 

[nik141993]

And what is wrong with Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar? They are developing countries, just like us.

As for what Kalam said, that is just to show which side is more boastful. So when your countrymen accuse others of boasting, let them look in the mirror first.

Is dr kalam member of this forum cause he talked about some member in this forum & as for your progress in your defense industry I wish your country all the best luck

 

[Dungeness]

there's no negative in it... the fact is China buying Su-35 from Russia while they boast about their domestic aerospace industry and they boast about their SAMs being better quality than the Russian and western ones(trust me some chinesse and pakistanis did here) but they Run to the Russians for S-400..

OK, Looks like a cerebration is in order then! Congratulations, India, for successfully retaining the tile of "The Largest Arms Importer in the world".

Don't worry about China, when it comes to arms imports, they are just some stingy cheap folks, with no much money in the pocket, and they can only watch all those expensive toys with envy. Meanwhile, Indians walk around all continents, with money stuffed in all pocket and heads high in the air, signing up all those "the mother of all deals" left and right. See those world class arms exporters? They are lining up at India's door step, begging for a piece of India's handout.

Well done India!

 

[$@rJen]

We'll leave the "boasting" part to you guys.

India to become superpower by 2012: Kalam - Economic Times

On topic, interesting that we've become the 3rd largest weapons exporter in the world. That is a pretty huge jump.

wow.. i've seen it all.... tinktank analyst being dumb here, so you can't digest the truth so you went on to troll with that as usual, how can some one post someone's personnel opinion while i talked about some poor chinese boasting that they've become self reliant and their techs better than russians and western standards

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

wow.. i've seen it all.... tinktank analyst being dumb here, so you can't digest the truth so you went on to troll with that as usual, how can some one post someone's personnel opinion while i talked about some poor chinese boasting that they've become self reliant and their techs better than russians and western standards

People boasting on an anonymous internet forum is nothing compared to the President of India claiming that India had become a superpower in 2012.

Brazil is a developing country too with a larger GDP and much better living standards than India... I wonder why they never claimed to be a superpower?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

We'll leave the "boasting" part to you guys.

India to become superpower by 2012: Kalam - Economic Times

On topic, interesting that we've become the 3rd largest weapons exporter in the world. That is a pretty huge jump.

So?

People boasting on an anonymous internet forum is nothing compared to the President of India claiming that India had become a superpower in 2012.

Brazil is a developing country too with a larger GDP and much better living standards than India... I wonder why they never claimed to be a superpower?

President of India can claim whatever he wants...who the hell are you to counter question him?

 

[$@rJen]

People boasting on an anonymous internet forum is nothing compared to the President of India claiming that India had become a superpower in 2012.

Brazil is a developing country too with a larger GDP and much better living standards than India... I wonder why they never claimed to be a superpower?

Lol... when Kalam said it, he's just a ordinary fellow having a government job. its funny to see such a person with thinktank tag writing like this

wowwww you don't even know who has the bigger gdp between india and brazil, how can i take you seriously??? India is 7th largest while brazil is 9th... we've overtaken them while brazilian gdp is shrinking

 

[Bad Guy]

China's poverty rate is at around 7% more or less. Iraq is around 20%. I don't know where you get you data, but.... Oh and all of China is now provided with electricity, how many countries can say that? Certainly not Iraq.

then, probably may have put the outdated. Sorry,
China's poverty ratio is 6.6%.

Major exported items are guns, tanks, fighter jets, submarines and artillery systems. Major warships are almost never exported, those that can afford it can make it.

Nor major but we are already exporting a notable sized warships.
Once, our new 185 mm gun gets ready for export, it will be a good addition. It has cost suitable to smaller countries too.

Arjun II is still not equipped according to a google search. Tejas also not ready yet,

Arjun 2's export can be started just after induction.
It may be inducted in this year and exported later.
And we have no plans to export Tejas.
Stop relying our silly media. Last time, they said India will put American RADARs on French planes.

India lacks its own submarine

We didn't said anything about submarines too.

and it's guns are not greatly sought after.

INSAS was failed but new MCIWS is survivable. Moreover, small arms for self defense of civilians too.

China at least have the AK and M4 knock offs, lol.

And derivatives too.
How much you copy? Think before taunting us.

Artillery, anti tank and these things may exist in India, I have not heard a great deal about them and with the new order of Stingers, India obviously don't have a system of equal calibre.

No. 1 We are not becoming today. It's goal of long term plan. I thought being a Chinese you could understand meaning of long term.
No.2 We are don't becoming no.1 or even competition with China. Currently, just trying to get notable in list. And speed is ideal to get us in list.
We can think of competition later.

Even if India did get all of this, this year, there is still the fact, India lacks the prestige in the weapons market, the political pull that all major exporters have, and even less track record in its weapons to be a major player.

wait a minute. You have a good track record?
pakistan is customer of 55% of your exports and thenz are BD and Myanmar.
Let's forget BD and Myanmar, but pakis have some special reasons to get weapons from you.
1. India
2. Their bitter relations with Russians in past.[/QUOTE]

 

[Genesis]

Nor major but we are already exporting a notable sized warships.
Once, our new 185 mm gun gets ready for export, it will be a good addition. It has cost suitable to smaller countries too.

185mm, that's a major gun, bigger than anything that's currently on ships. Either way, you have exported some minor cutters and corvettes. Unless I am very much mistaken. Nothing major at all.

We didn't said anything about submarines too.

Didn't say you did, it's just something people sell.

INSAS was failed but new MCIWS is survivable. Moreover, small arms for self defense of civilians too.

And derivatives too.
How much you copy? Think before taunting us.

Anything wrong with copying? None of your weapons are revolutionary. Only the US and to an extent Russia right now has those.

Besides, not a taught, small arm exports is good money, but the customer base is largely undesirable, so a little room for interpretation is needed. Besides, just look at your track record, it's not easy to create a new brand. It's just a fact.

wait a minute. You have a good track record?
pakistan is customer of 55% of your exports and thenz are BD and Myanmar.
Let's forget BD and Myanmar, but pakis have some special reasons to get weapons from you.
1. India
2. Their bitter relations with Russians in past.

Depends on what you mean by good. Same as American and Russian? No. At this point, Chinese systems have been exported enough that there is a reputation for it. Whatever reputation you think China has, it's just what you think not the truth. Our HQ-9 got a Turkish order before Americans got in between that deal, we are considered for a tank order by Thailand, submarines to Thailand, Bangladesh and Pakistan.

All the facts points to our reputation.

Your understanding of the weapons market is minimum, most weapons purchase are political, hence PAK FA doesn't cross the iron curtain and vice versa.

Just look at our HQ-9 deal, a done deal, but for political reasons, there it is. Also why India will face problems without such a strong ally.

You want to sell your weapon base on quality over others? Even if that is a possibility, the country buying it have no track record to go by to convince its people, they would need to integrate your weapons into existing pool, they need to set up new infrastructure to use your weapon, and these are the easy to cross hurdles, which the big boys don't have to cross.

The hard ones are almost impossible to cross, without decades of this.


It seems like you think you are disagreeing with me, but you are not. You may not like what I said, but it is the truth right now. Unless India starts to sell major systems, it's difficult to get into the elite club with just minor systems and such.