India denies Holbrooke entry

[prithwidw]

that is not correct..ur idea is wrong..to know reality go through the following,

"In the aftermath of Partition, the princely states of India, which had been left by the Indian Independence Act 1947 to choose whether to accede to India or Pakistan or to remain outside them,[2] were all incorporated into one or other of the new dominions. The question of the choice to be made in this connection by Jammu and Kashmir led to the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 and other wars and conflicts between India and Pakistan.[3]"

Partition of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you are being a teacher. He has already made up his story, he won't listen to your's, he won't change his.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

It's pretty clear that India does not want Holbrooke or the USA to meddle with Kashmir. Probably because India likes the status quo just fine and does not want the Kashmir issue to be "internationalized". Holbrooke specializes in trying to get oppressors (like Serbia) to stop oppressing minorities (like Kosovars). India is afraid of Holbrooke's expertise.....

What do you mean by saying 'internationalise' the kashmir issue.dude..just shouting Kashmir loudly does not mean international community will favour acording to your wish..morover hope you already know that USA has denied participating as an agent for the Kashmir issue with India and Pakistan..they want India and Pakistan themselves to solve this issue..so your concept does not work here brother....try again..

 

[Mirza Jatt]

This is correct.

India knows it is in the wrong. According to mutual agreements, lands with majority Muslim was to go to Pakistan, and majority Hindus to India. Not only has Bharat ignored this bilateral agreement, but it invaded Kashmir, ignored international treaties and to this day played 'dumb' about any pleiscibite.

Bilateral agreement?????? International treaties ???????? India is in the wrong???????and to top it all...INDIA INVADED KASHMIR????????

I GIVE UP...YOU WIN...

 

[Jackdaws]

Hello - India is not a third world country anymore - We are an EMERGING ECONOMY/DEVELOPING ECONOMY - NOT THIRD WORLD

YOU are not equating India with Somalia or Swaziland now are you?

You couldn't be more wrong. India is decidedly a third world country. A few pockets of wealth don't take away from the fact that a very large part of our country is destitute.

 

[Bang Galore]

It's pretty clear that India does not want Holbrooke or the USA to meddle with Kashmir. Probably because India likes the status quo just fine and does not want the Kashmir issue to be "internationalized". Holbrooke specializes in trying to get oppressors (like Serbia) to stop oppressing minorities (like Kosovars). India is afraid of Holbrooke's expertise.....

You are spot on. India does like the status quo just fine and has never agreed to third party mediation. It's nothing personal against Holbrooke; India would do this to anyone in his place. They also don't appreciate someone taking them for granted and announcing that he is visiting on such & such date without working out a schedule with them.

Holbrooke has to do the job he has been asked to and Indian officials have to do theirs according to the interests of their country. No necessity for unnecessary chest thumping & over the top jingoism on this matter.

 

[Mahakaya]

You couldn't be more wrong. India is decidedly a third world country. A few pockets of wealth don't take away from the fact that a very large part of our country is destitute.

Huh?

There is a distinction between a third world country and a developing/emerging economy. A few pockets of wealth? Our GDP is on the rise poverty is close to 20% and still we are a third world country?

Was wrong with you buddy, what is the middle part between third world and developed countries = DEVELOPING ECONOMIES OR EMERGING ECONOMIES!

 

[Mahakaya]

This is correct.

India knows it is in the wrong. According to mutual agreements, lands with majority Muslim was to go to Pakistan, and majority Hindus to India. Not only has Bharat ignored this bilateral agreement, but it invaded Kashmir, ignored international treaties and to this day played 'dumb' about any pleiscibite.

Wrong! A place like Hyderabad could not have gone to you - There was no such **** agreement for all of India which is why accession treaties were used to get their allegiance to either state India or Pakistan. The King of Kashmir signed that treaty.

As for majority muslims - Kashmir had 200,000 Kashmiri pandits who were either brutally murdered or chucked out!

SO please keep this nonsense talk to yourself.

AND YES BHARAT IS VERY HAPPY WITH THE STATUS QUO IN THE REGION - The recent elections saw 65% voting in Kashmir so please lets not even get into whether there is a dispute really or not!

 

[chinapakistan]

Who was jumping up and down like monkeys when HH Dalai Lama Visited Tawang

Some country's PM jumped out and cried like a begger bcoz Obama didnt visite his country at his first trip to asia is more funny than monkeys.

 

[chinapakistan]

You don't need to cos that is the actual truth of the matter!

The range is keeping in mind a 1000 Kg war head - Agni 3 itself has a very long range. A 1000 Kg or 1 tonne Nuclear warhead is enough to wipe off an entire state of Pakistan or half of India or if that sounds to exaggerated then at least render the brains and body of future generations of the countries useless.

Further with plutonium the yield increases. A 1000 Kg Plutonium warhead is massive. Here is an excerpt from an article:

The "Fat Man" atomic bomb that destroyed Nagasaki in 1945 used 6.2 kilograms of plutonium and produced an explosive yield of 21-23 kilotons [a 1987 reassessment of the Japanese bombings placed the yield at 21 Kt]. Until January 1994, the Department of Energy (DOE) estimated that 8 kilograms would typically be needed to make a small nuclear weapon. Subsequently, however, DOE reduced the estimate of the amount of plutonium needed to 4 kilograms. Some US scientists believe that 1 kilogram of plutonium will suffice.

Further a smaller warhead would mean increased range and Agni 3 itself is enough to penetrate deep inside China or Europe. So lets not even get into Agni 5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agni_(missile)

Here is more information!

Are you talking about use the one which be used as a target during recent indian failed anti-missle test? It dispeared after launching....... I think if you use it target china then you will find thailand be bombed by it.

 

[chinapakistan]

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Seems like Indian diplomacy is pain in the backside for some guys. India has every major power from US to Russia to Japan to UK as arms seller and collaborator. They are getting really unsecured.

I tell you a secret, dont tell it to anybody else. I am indian under poverty line before, then I find this job just post 2 posts then I can escape from poverty line and feed my family. Preety good right? Now, I am a rich man in my village.

 

[PakSher]

Until India converts the 340 million people living in poverty and slums to a middle class, it will be considered a 3rd world country. Producing 80,000 IT engineers out of 1.2 billion people in not a great achievement. I have worked to dozens of Indian in the past 15 years and mostly are average.

 

[gowthamraj]

Until India converts the 340 million people living in poverty and slums to a middle class, it will be considered a 3rd world country. Producing 80,000 IT engineers out of 1.2 billion people in not a great achievement. I have worked to dozens of Indian in the past 15 years and mostly are average.

i think now you fell good . . . better you post some rupee news article

 

[Jackdaws]

Huh?

There is a distinction between a third world country and a developing/emerging economy. A few pockets of wealth? Our GDP is on the rise poverty is close to 20% and still we are a third world country?

Was wrong with you buddy, what is the middle part between third world and developed countries = DEVELOPING ECONOMIES OR EMERGING ECONOMIES!

Am sorry mate - I disagree. Firstly, the term "third world" is actually used to denote the lack of alignment to either the Yanks or the Soviets during the Cold War - only later it was used to denote both - developing as well as underdeveloped nations.

On the HDI index we are somewhere in the mid 130s out of 180 odd countries measured - below the likes of Tonga and Botswana.

On GDP measured on PPP - we are again somewhere in the 130s out of 200 countries. Sure we are one of the world's largest economies - but that is largely due to our population.

 

[TechLahore]

Doubt it - the Pak-US relationship always has had its ebbs and flows. The Pakistanis seem joyous at recent developments - but the USA has a habit of bursting the Pakistani balloon sooner rather than later. The crux is business interests - American firms have no major business interests in Pakistan - so no lobby pushing them to act favorably once the American work is done.

I think you couldn't be more wrong. My response will not be exhaustive because there have books written focusing on the history of US-Pak interdependence, however, here is a very brief response.

You conveniently gloss over the fact that the US or any industrialized nation, frankly, would be crazy NOT to have business interests in the world's sixth most populous nation! You forget also, the fact that Pakistan is not just a country but the only viable gateway to dozens of millions more people in one of the most geostrategically important regions in the world. And of course, you neglect the recent history of US economic interests, including one of the major reasons why the US became anti-Taliban... UNOCAL... pipeline deals anyone?

I don't know where you get your information from, but driving around on the streets of Pakistan I see Bank of America, Citibank, McDonalds, KFC, GNC, Pizza Hutt, Subway, Pepsi, Coke, General Electric and an unending list of premier American companies doing amazingly well, growing in leaps and bounds.

Without Pakistan, there is no development in Afghanistan, no transformation of that country into a US client, and no transit of dozens of billions of dollars worth of supplies sent by US companies. Without Pakistan, there is no Central Asian pipeline opening in the warm waters of the Arabian Sea... the US needs this energy.

Pakistan's Saindak mine, Thar coal, gas reserves and other mineral and energy assets offer hundreds of billions of dollars of opportunity to global companies. The $5B Khalifa refinery is just one small example. There are two other refineries currently under construction. There are multiple energy projects focused on using Thar reserves that are already under construction... for whom do you think these programs create economic opportunities?

Finally, please never forget that whatever non-local businesses do operate in India, they do so because relations between Pakistan and India are relatively non-violent at the moment. In the event that things took a turn for the worst between India and Pakistan, businesses in India will also be impacted. The chairman of GE played a role in defusing one of the past Pakistan-India crises... there was a reason for that...

 

[prototype]

Some country's PM jumped out and cried like a begger bcoz Obama didnt visite his country at his first trip to asia is more funny than monkeys.

and some countries premier jumping on his seat when a monk is traveling to some parts of their neighbouring country just seems to b as funny as a monkey