India claims Pakistan was scared

[BHarwana]

Why holding on to or imprisonment of Abhinandan was violation of Geneva Convention!

POW have to be returned India and Pakistan have signed a treaty.

 

[Goenitz]

@BHarwana @MastanKhan

so it shows Pakistan is reasonable/responsible power to international community. We don't want wars or nut case.

 

[crankthatskunk]

POW have to be returned India and Pakistan have signed a treaty.

Does treaty says within few hours!!

This is what Geneva convention says about PoWs.

POWs cannot be prosecuted for taking a direct part in hostilities. Their detention is not a form of punishment, but only aims to prevent further participation in the conflict. They must be released and repatriated without delay after the end of hostilities. The detaining power may prosecute them for possible war crimes, but not for acts of violence that are lawful under IHL.

The question is did hostilities ended in one day!! Were Indians planning further missile and air strikes on Pakistan!!

Are the hostilities not continuing right now on daily, or even hourly basis!!

Abhinandan is not already back to his duties in IAF and can take part in another attack on Pakistan!!

@MastanKhan , the last point is did Pakistan treated Indian's intrusion in to Pakistan airspace and bombing of Pakistani soil as an act of war by India!!

If it did, why Pakistan was reluctant to fire upon the Indian jets in Indian airspace returning back to their bases after an act of war against Pakistan!!

Why on 27th February and 26th Feb, Indian jets were locked and not fire upon by PAF, when in fact war was in progress between India and Pakistan!!
It is definitely allowed in the war.

My friend, don't just try to push one side of the argument.
PA as usual let the Indians get away with it, yet again.

 

[ejaz007]

Geneva convention applies to POW. He was a POW. What would have holding him longer achieved? What info do you want about Srinagar Airbase just ask I will give you.

India and Pakistan had not declared war. In my view he was not POW.

It is not what we would have achieved but we had a captive and we should have only released him when India would have requested.

Even India was surprised how quickly we decided to release him.

Regarding Saudi pressure. Yes it was Saudi Arabia who forced us into releasing Abhi Nandan. They had announced a huge investment in India and did not wanted situation to escalate. The Saudi FM arrived with a message from Crown Prince and Pakistan went soft.

Also it is ironic that in a situation of tension our PM in an interview says he is anti war and does not want to escalate the situation. He should not have given that statement.

Then our DG ISPR was also giving statements of Peace in a time when our enemy was talking about war. This is not his role. He being a spokesman of military should refrain from these types of statements.

 

[BHarwana]

Does treaty says within few hours!!

Was it done with in few hours? We did it comfortably when it suited us. India violated air space unload their payload hit trees & went back. That is it so what do you want for that in return. The hit a random place with no strategic value. We targeted their military installations in return. India never lifted a finger after that. So give me one practical reason how holding him longer would have helped. I have asked this question 6th or 7th time which no one is answering. Show me the bright side of your argument?

 

[crankthatskunk]

Was it done with in few hours? We did it comfortably when it suited us. India violated air space unload their payload hit trees & went back. That is it so what do you want for that in return. The hit a random place with no strategic value. We targeted their military installations in return. India never lifted a finger after that. So give me one practical reason how holding him longer would have helped. I have asked this question 6th or 7th time which no one is answering. Show me the bright side of your argument?

My friend, you are not entirely accurate. When Pak released him, Indians threat of missile attack was there. Further escalations were going on, which are until this day.
Secondly, remember what PM IK said, we are releasing him as gesture of goodwill.
So it was goodwill, not necessarily under the Geneva Convention or a treaty as you put it.
Secondly, the excuse of not attacking and destroying Indian jets is used as "act or declaration of war" by many on this forum.
If war was not going on, when on 26th Feb 19 Indians attacked or on 27th When Pakistan attacked, why Abhi was a POW!!
And if war was going on and he was PoW, why shooting down of IAF jets across the border was "declaration of war", when war was already on!!

 

[MastanKhan]

@BHarwana @MastanKhan

so it shows Pakistan is reasonable/responsible power to international community. We don't want wars or nut case.

Hi,

Just " coward talk ".

 

[BHarwana]

India and Pakistan had not declared war. In my view he was not POW.

It is not what we would have achieved but we had a captive and we should have only released him when India would have requested.

Even India was surprised how quickly we decided to release him.

Regarding Saudi pressure. Yes it was Saudi Arabia who forced us into releasing Abhi Nandan. They had announced a huge investment in India and did not wanted situation to escalate. The Saudi FM arrived with a message from Crown Prince and Pakistan went soft.

Also it is ironic that in a situation of tension our PM in an interview says he is anti war and does not want to escalate the situation. He should not have given that statement.

Then our DG ISPR was also giving statements of Peace in a time when our enemy was talking about war. This is not his role. He being a spokesman of military should refrain from these types of statements.

I have asked it in the very first post of mine in this thread. How do you know it was Saudis? Don't give that they had a reason to do it. Give me proof that they did it. As long as I don't have proof I will not accept it. Making up your mind on some roumer without authentic source is not reality.
Regarding the release if we had waited for Indian demand to release him it would have showed that we gave into pressure but we released him and won the international support showing India the aggressor thus wining a 5th gen war. It gave world impression that Indian actions were unjust and this provided us more room to further harm India without international condemnation. India invested 70 years to destroy our image we did in one shot with abhinandan.

You know the statement of an American Airforce hero? These are his words.

I always knew Pakistani pilots were ruthless. American President should do everything in his power to get Pakistan on our side in future policy. This is not a country to have against you in war.

 

[MastanKhan]

If war was not going on, when on 26th Feb 19 Indians attacked or on 27th When Pakistan attacked, why Abhi was a POW!!
And if war was going on and he was PoW, why shooting down of IAF jets across the border was "declaration of war", when war was already on!!

Hi,

Thank you for your comments---. We have to fight TWO enemies---one from across the border---the other---and those within our borders---. The hidden india lovers within our borders---.

You know the statement of an American Airforce hero? These are his words.

I always knew Pakistani pilots were ruthless. American President should do everything in his power to get Pakistan on our side in future policy. This is not a country to have against you in war.

Hi,

Don't dwell on that----. Just thank God that the americans like us---.

 

[BHarwana]

My friend, you are not entirely accurate. When Pak released him, Indians threat of missile attack was there. Further escalations were going on, which are until this day.
Secondly, remember what PM IK said, we are releasing him as gesture of goodwill.
So it was goodwill, not necessarily under the Geneva Convention or a treaty as you put it.
Secondly, the excuse of not attacking and destroying Indian jets is used as "act or declaration of war" by many on this forum.
If war was not going on, when on 26th Feb 19 Indians attacked or on 27th When Pakistan attacked, why Abhi was a POW!!
And if war was going on and he was PoW, why shooting down of IAF jets across the border was "declaration of war", when war was already on!!

India attacked Pakistan cause we had abhinandan in the first place? Do you think we are scared of Indian missiles which are not even nuclear capable?
Why did India threatened missile attack and an air strike?

India threatened a Missile attack cause India knew air strike is not possible and Pakistani potential to defend air space is higher. If India had launched a Missile strike before we would have known that the strike was convential or nuclear we would have launched a nuclear one India knew it and we also know it.

These are 2 nuclear armed countries they are not your daily humor jokes. These 2 countries can destroy half of humanity much faster than covid19 can. You people are thinking so small. Do you even know how nuclear deterance works?

 

[Blacklight]

IK buckled too quickly under saudi demand---.

Very surprised to hear you say this. When my own brothers serving in the forces, said something which pointed to one of your flags.

 

[BHarwana]

Hi,

Don't dwell on that----. Just thank God that the americans like us---.

I was not dewelling on that. I used it to provoke you to engage me which you were avoiding this whole thread. That is how we provoked abhinandan and shot him down.



We dont give a damn about Americans like us or don't. We know are more interested on what leverage we have on them.

 

[ejaz007]

I have asked it in the very first post of mine in this thread. How do you know it was Saudis? Don't give that they had a reason to do it. Give me proof that they did it. As long as I don't have proof I will not accept it. Making up your mind on some roumer without authentic source is not reality.
Regarding the release if we had waited for Indian demand to release him it would have showed that we gave into pressure but we released him and won the international support showing India the aggressor thus wining a 5th gen war. It gave world impression that Indian actions were unjust and this provided us more room to further harm India without international condemnation. India invested 70 years to destroy our image we did in one shot with abhinandan.

You know the statement of an American Airforce hero? These are his words.

I always knew Pakistani pilots were ruthless. American President should do everything in his power to get Pakistan on our side in future policy. This is not a country to have against you in war.

It is trail of events that lead you to conclusion. You do not want to believe it is your decision.

Remember Sadui FM's scheduled visit was delayed. Perhaps Saudi's wanted to make sure their demands would be met before they sent in their FM.

 

[MastanKhan]

Very surprised to hear you say this. When my own brothers serving in the forces, said something which pointed to one of your flags.

Hi,

Please expand on it---.

 

[Blacklight]

Hi,

Please expand on it---.

American Pressure to release Abhinonedon. Calls from their senior leadership.