India cannot defeat Pakistan militarily

[Chute]

@Joe Shearer you do realise this is a persistent troll multi-account (battlion-titanium-aibak and 2 other accounts I forgot name of) that enjoys leading a wiser man like you down these silly rabbit holes?

There's the equivalent orange bhakt one of a BJP IT cell that falseflags and spam accounts (though seems to have gone on the wane recently - thank God, but literally has the same repetitive language markers in each account)...to add to the other bhakt goons that have littered the forum over time.

These types whichever side they are on (there are some on the Chinese side too), are really not worth your time tbh.

Forum establishment keeps them around for whatever reason. Treat the "2020+ joining date" rabbit hole accounts with a high degree of suspicion by default.

Signalian, Panzerkiel, Imran Khan, Vcheng, Kaptaan (no longer here sadly), M. Sarmad, Oscar etc etc, these are the folks you have gotten most mileage out of (from what I have observed) and are "proven" folks....that actually want to get to somewhere productive in a discussion and have value to contribute in doing so.

Of course if you enjoy whacking the spam-troll multi-accounts while you are here, go for it.

 

[Battlion25]

@Joe Shearer you do realise this is a persistent troll multi-account (battlion-titanium-aibak and 2 other accounts I forgot name of) that enjoys leading a wiser man like you down these silly rabbit holes?

There's the equivalent orange bhakt one of a BJP IT cell that falseflags and spam accounts (though seems to have gone on the wane recently - thank God, but literally has the same repetitive language markers in each account)...to add to the other bhakt goons that have littered the forum over time.

These types whichever side they are on (there are some on the Chinese side too), are really not worth your time tbh.

Forum establishment keeps them around for whatever reason. Treat the "2020+ joining date" rabbit hole accounts with a high degree of suspicion by default.

Signalian, Panzerkiel, Imran Khan, Vcheng, Kaptaan (no longer here sadly), M. Sarmad, Oscar etc etc, these are the folks you have gotten most mileage out of (from what I have observed) and are "proven" folks....that actually want to get to somewhere productive in a discussion and have value to contribute in doing so.

Of course if you enjoy whacking the spam-troll multi-accounts while you are here, go for it.

Another one of these hindu trolls all the mentioned above are Hindus and harbour animosty towards Pakistan and her existence and as I said pakistan has fifth column elements that are vile and filthy which hopefully India will take care of them for us while we take care of them.. Killing two birds with one stone..

Your account is 2023 and definitely a multi-nicker yourself..

I am a respected member of this community and one of the few who has military experience

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer you do realise this is a persistent troll multi-account (battlion-titanium-aibak and 2 other accounts I forgot name of) that enjoys leading a wiser man like you down these silly rabbit holes?

I found it too funny to withdraw. Waiting for his posts was addictive each better than the previous one.

Signalian, Panzerkiel, Imran Khan, Vcheng, Kaptaan (no longer here sadly), M. Sarmad, Oscar etc etc, these are the folks you have gotten most mileage out of (from what I have observed) and are "proven" folks....that actually want to get to somewhere productive in a discussion and have value to contribute in doing so.

True, very true.

As it happens, I am in touch with Kaptaan. The others you have named are people whom I respect enormously, although you left out two of the trinity - I will remind you later, if you are who I think you are

 

[Rusty2]

Pakistan should aim for economic growth. In this world money is power and respect. So only thing we can do is focus on the development of our country. Step by step.

Military power and nukes only get you to a certain amount of power. The reason China is a superpower today is because of economic reforms that were carried out decades ago.

The generals you are mentioning are the reason why are in this fucking mess right now.

Literally no Pakistani general thinks about the long term of Pakistan's economy. Like many PDF users they are recommending the path that destroyed the Soviet Union and is destroying the US today.

All this focus on military expansion and zero focus on long term sustainability of Pakistan's economy and ecosystems (water, drought, poverty etc) will only cause a major systemic problem later on.

China has the economic power to build anything it wants and massively expand its military. Right now it’s naval expansion might be the biggest naval expansion in the history of mankind with the rate Chinese shipyards are pumping out warships.

Pakistan on the other hand is more like that one person who has a credit card (s) and is buying everything on borrowed time & money with no collateral to back it up (ie economic power).

For Pakistan to have a true war machine it needs an economy that can feed that war machine. Or else Pakistan will always be a regional power stuck in South Asia bumping heads with Indians on one hand and Afghans on the other.

This is the answer.
The problem is that all the powered classes don't want this.
GHQ can't have an educated population as they will want real democracy
Political class don't want industry as prosperous people can't be bought with plates of biryani
Mullah class don't want this since... well educated and prosperous people can't be easily manipulated.
Thus we get Pakistan, a nation where the powered class does everything it can to keep the people uneducated and poor so they can keep doing what they are doing.

 

[Battlion25]

I found it too funny to withdraw. Waiting for his posts was addictive each better than the previous one.

I am glad your limited understanding of this domain of the world got shattered.. The ground realities are alot more dangerous and ruthless then the common laymen would assume.. Some of these fools paint war into something like cartoon aired on cartoon-network where all of the factors have not been taken into account. All it takes for India to collapse completely in front of Pakistan is making just one mistake in the tactical theatre and that will be it... That is all it takes..

You will see many fools throwing around fancy terminologies they don't even understand etc etc. There are rules in everything how to play soccer etc etc and everything in life has tactics and approaches hence I am telling the laymen here if Pakistan was to play all it's tactical cards right and on the other hand India makes one big gaff then that is all it takes..

Example lets assume an RSS general gets desparate and falls right into a Pakistani trap. Let say a gentlemen gets pissed and mobilises 1.5 million soldiers nearly 90% of India's armed forces and says we are going for GB and Azad? believing in blitzkrieg hence coming in face first hence from the tactical point that could decide the entire war and it will fall into Pakistan's trap to eliminate a huge amount of indian forces gathered in bundles and almost 90% the entire armed forces.. Because they are gathered in bundles in few segments hence making it easy picking for a nicely timed tactical nukes to get them of the chess board..

It will be completely checkmate

This is what happened to Pritveraj he was performing really well thru out the war and had the right approaches but somewhere in the middle he made one mistake that is all just 1 mistake not 2 but just 1 tactical mistake it cost him the war and altered history

 

[Abid123]

This is the answer.
The problem is that all the powered classes don't want this.
GHQ can't have an educated population as they will want real democracy
Political class don't want industry as prosperous people can't be bought with plates of biryani
Mullah class don't want this since... well educated and prosperous people can't be easily manipulated.
Thus we get Pakistan, a nation where the powered class does everything it can to keep the people uneducated and poor so they can keep doing what they are doing.

Spot on. There is a reason why Pakistan deliberately spends so little on education. It's because the elites(GHQ) want the population to be illiterate. I don't why more people have not realised this.

Pakistan at the moment is barely a regional power thanks to politicians, generals and mullahs.

With a population of close to 250 million we should aim to become a great power.

 

[Rusty2]

Spot on. There is a reason why Pakistan deliberately spends so little on education. It's because the elites(GHQ) want the population to be illiterate. I don't why more people have not realised this.

Pakistan at the moment is barely a regional power thanks to politicians, generals and mullahs.

With a population of close to 250 million we should aim to become a great power.

People don't realize due to lack of education and obsession with religion.
As soon a real questions start to be asked, the elites throw a "X insulted the prophet" and then they sit back as the population immediately forget the issues and foam at the mouth about religion.

 

[Abid123]

You have little understanding about conventional warfare, stragetic weapons and tactical approach to war which have shattered your colored world view.. There is to many dynamics the average laymen won't and can't comprehend

Dude you live in a fantasy world. We can't afford war at the moment.

 

[Battlion25]

Dude you live in a fantasy world. We can't afford war at the moment.

If it comes to our doorsteps we will not only afford but we will awash in cash and bring it to them.. That deterence is not to let your foe feel secure in his backlines

 

[Abid123]

If it comes to our doorsteps we will not only afford but we will awash in cash and bring it to them.. That is deterence is not to let your foe feel secure in his backlines

Pakistan is my country and I am all for defending it, but can we be realistic?

Unless the Chinese or Saudis bankroll the war Pakistan cant afford it.

We are literally begging for a billion fucki*g dollars and you think we can win a war against India? A country that is more powerful than Pakistan by every single metric?

 

[Chute]

It will be completely checkmate

That's so hilariously ironic you posted this moment for your pages long rant now lol.

Do you even know who the person was sitting opposite to Garry making him squirm like that (from his dreadful blunder.)?

Your posts amuse me from time to time for sure....you do have that going for you...but this way was a new one.

Keep going

 

[Abid123]

People don't realize due to lack of education and obsession with religion.
As soon a real questions start to be asked, the elites throw a "X insulted the prophet" and then they sit back as the population immediately forget the issues and foam at the mouth about religion.

Atif Mian incident comes to mind. Despite the shameful treatment the guy is still a patriot wanting a better future for Pakistan.

 

[Battlion25]

Pakistan is my country and I am all for defending it, but can we be realistic?

Unless the Chinese or Saudis bankroll the war Pakistan cant afford it.

We are literally begging for a billion fucki*g dollars and you think we can win a war against India? A country that is more powerful than Pakistan by every single metric?

Ofcourse money will roll in nothing to worry about.. Besides from start to beginning with the use of nukes it could take 2 years to finalize the campaign it won't be long drawn out.

Multiple stake claimers will step in and that is the case in each war.. 100% China will bankroll in any clash with India as they will want to have them off the chess board and other regional allies will bankroll us. India is cut from Eurasia once the winter nuclear kick in I would be worried for them not for us..

I don't think you wanna defend Pakistan and honestly I would gather have you in the fore-front beause you have no moral hence your early elimination will be appreciated

 

[nahtanbob]

No.. You aren't catching my drift with the gathered one I MEAN military forces if they are gathered largely for an offensive in one place it opens them for a one sneaky shoot tactical nuke and they will be history rendering a countries entire defense forces in one blow of miscalculation mistake..

As for the population centers go for it they aren't in our calculations of deciding victory or loss hence it doesn't hang on them but personally I would want that trash whipped out anyways if India was to fail we will hit them ourselves an say it was an India one..

The Nuclear winter will have more severe effect on the bigger populations we have borders with Iran, Afghanistan and China. We can relocate any amount we deem to be useful and live behind the useless in hope of India eliminating them during the exchanges

There is zero military value in assembling all military places in a place small enough to be wiped out by a single nukes or even dozen nukes. India and Pakistan's armies are too large for that.

No one is allowing India/Pakistan to use nukes. It is end of the country those chooses to use one.

You need to understand Pakistan living standards would fall 30-50% tomorrow if Saudis/Chinese/Washington decides to tighten the screws

Without money you cannot fight wars. A conventional war across India-Pakistan border will cost a $1 billion per day for Pakistan. Keep in mind you have not fought India for more than 2 weeks.

Ofcourse money will roll in nothing to worry about

You should be the finance minister. you might do a better job than the current one. How did they miss someone of your caliber.

 

[Battlion25]

There is zero military value in assembling all military places in a place small enough to be wiped out by a single nukes or even dozen nukes. India and Pakistan's armies are too large for that.

Anything less then 500k to 1m mobilization will be useless against Pakistan hence my hope is one will take the bait and I predict it will happen someone will take that bait not today obviously but in the far future 25-30 years from now