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India calls off Sushma Swaraj’s meeting with Pakistan’s foreign minister in New York

I can see india and indiam burning because saudia oil city in gwadar amd their chahbahar became is becoming of no use. Thats the only thing because they were agree earlier amd after saudi oil city they again crying.
 
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PEACE... TALKS... PAKISTAN...

Chidiya udd...
Kabootar udd...
 
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you cant oppress the people and expect them to dont retaliate .
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are you expecting us to instruct kashmiris to dont protest if you kill their sons ? :)
We ask kashmiris to let surrender their arms and return to normal life, infact its the terrorists that cross over from pak that we kill,and they unfortunately manage to drag indian kashmiris with them. But i guess we cant expect much from a nation that kept osama bin laden in a govt safe house, still keeps hafiz saeed, salahudding and azhar and even lets them contest elections.
 
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I can see india and indiam burning because saudia oil city in gwadar amd their chahbahar became is becoming of no use. Thats the only thing because they were agree earlier amd after saudi oil city they again crying.

IK - we need financial help...
Sauds - we want Shareefs free...
IK - OK
Sauds - Done

We don't care who is investing in CPEC... SA knows how and when they can show the power of petro...
 
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We ask kashmiris to let surrender their arms and return to normal life, infact its the terrorists that cross over from pak that we kill,and they unfortunately manage to drag indian kashmiris with them. But i guess we cant expect much from a nation that kept osama bin laden in a govt safe house, still keeps hafiz saeed, salahudding and azhar and even lets them contest elections.
yeah seriously you asked :) .
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the people who drag and kill indians for eating meat they ask kashmiris to choose the path of peace .
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is being a hindu and a constant drinker of cow urine is the defination of peace in india ?
 
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IK - we need financial help...
Sauds - we want Shareefs free...
IK - OK
Sauds - Done

We don't care who is investing in CPEC... SA knows how and when they can show the power of petro...
Yeah India doesnt care I belived you.World can see though
 
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We here would think differently. Pakistan foreign policy regarding India has almost the appearance of talks for the sake of talks. There is no real set agenda, not even a proposal on how to begin the talks. Risking talks as such is a meaningless exercise that serves no real purpose other than to invite attacks on Indians.

But that aside, I wanted to engage you in a discussion regarding the developments in Kashmir and how we think it will evolve in medium term, and what will be its implications for the region, the two countries, and most importantly, for the Kashmiris themselves. I wanted to do it last time around too, but am almost always running short on time.
Dispute the first paragraph, since we have historical proof that talks have nearly led to solutions with smart thinking from both sides; where they have been sabotaged is by hardliners not willing to give up their stake in the process and associated importance.
No one is going to listen to swami if peace comes, what enemy will he spread hate against? What will Zaid Hamid do?
Let think of military terms, since Indians like to bring up Pakistan Army as some overlord. What was Kargil after all? It was one man and his cabal’s attempt at securing military glory before talks solved a major issue and made them irrelevant.
Would there still not be such aspirants today in both armies?
To quote Ashoka Kunjoor
“Hum ko jo taane dete hain, ham khoye hain in rang-raliyon mein
Hum ne un ko bhi chhup chhup ke aate dekhaa in galiyon mein”
While the influence in governance is/was not comparable until recently, there have been hardliners in the India military and bureaucrats who have sabotaged peace right when it was tangible.

I have the fortune of knowing Indian Kashmiri muslims through my education who less than five years ago were focused on India as their country, India as their economic future, India as their land and India as their passport.
Today I am barely able to reach them on whatsapp and when I do they are extremely cynical about ever letting the current angst go. They are realistic about options, but are confident that the fight for their rights and socio-economic independence will go on, militant or not.
That should sum up what is the near medium term. What was a half hearted attempt with a militant effort led by a mix of punjabi and Azad Kashmir boys is now getting local recruits who are then killing any locals loyal to the Kashmir government. This is textbook growing insurgency from what was a few years ago a quelled one. And before one blames Pakistan on it, there were MUCH more open borders along the LoC after 71 till the late 90’s yet nothing took off. It wasn’t until the population was targeted in lieu of killing militancy that the insurgency took hold. The advent of inclusiveness and tighter border control in the last decade had again calmed down the vallet until this current religious extremist government took steps that ignited the support.
Insurgencies arent quelled by killing Burhan Wanis, they are killed by arresting him and then giving jobs to his family.
 
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Dispute the first paragraph, since we have historical proof that talks have nearly led to solutions with smart thinking from both sides; where they have been sabotaged is by hardliners not willing to give up their stake in the process and associated importance.
No one is going to listen to swami if peace comes, what enemy will he spread hate against? What will Zaid Hamid do?
Let think of military terms, since Indians like to bring up Pakistan Army as some overlord. What was Kargil after all? It was one man and his cabal’s attempt at securing military glory before talks solved a major issue and made them irrelevant.
Would there still not be such aspirants today in both armies?
To quote Ashoka Kunjoor
“Hum ko jo taane dete hain, ham khoye hain in rang-raliyon mein
Hum ne un ko bhi chhup chhup ke aate dekhaa in galiyon mein”
While the influence in governance is/was not comparable until recently, there have been hardliners in the India military and bureaucrats who have sabotaged peace right when it was tangible.

I have the fortune of knowing Indian Kashmiri muslims through my education who less than five years ago were focused on India as their country, India as their economic future, India as their land and India as their passport.
Today I am barely able to reach them on whatsapp and when I do they are extremely cynical about ever letting the current angst go. They are realistic about options, but are confident that the fight for their rights and socio-economic independence will go on, militant or not.
That should sum up what is the near medium term. What was a half hearted attempt with a militant effort led by a mix of punjabi and Azad Kashmir boys is now getting local recruits who are then killing any locals loyal to the Kashmir government. This is textbook growing insurgency from what was a few years ago a quelled one. And before one blames Pakistan on it, there were MUCH more open borders along the LoC after 71 till the late 90’s yet nothing took off. It wasn’t until the population was targeted in lieu of killing militancy that the insurgency took hold. The advent of inclusiveness and tighter border control in the last decade had again calmed down the vallet until this current religious extremist government took steps that ignited the support.
Insurgencies arent quelled by killing Burhan Wanis, they are killed by arresting him and then giving jobs to his family.

We killed Bhindrawale. I don't know what we did to his family. Don't really care.

The Sri Lankans killed Prabhakaran. He lay lifeless on the blood soaked sand with the top part of his head a mess.

We killed Burhan Wani. I don't know if we gave his next of kin a job. Don't care.

Those who need killing will always be killed.

Jobs are always there.

Killing those that need to be killed is also a job. I pay my bit towards getting those jobs done.

As taxes.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Indian doesn't want friendship and peace never has and never will sad yet has the balls the size of little peanuts pathetic. Now the world knows what india is all about and what its doing " incredible india " lolz
 
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You also said cow poopr prot3cts you from nukes
Retarded argument.

Indian doesn't want friendship and peace never has and never will sad yet has the balls the size of little peanuts pathetic. Now the world knows what india is all about and what its doing " incredible india " lolz
Terrorism and talks can't go together.
 
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yeah seriously you asked :) .
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the people who drag and kill indians for eating meat they ask kashmiris to choose the path of peace .
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is being a hindu and a constant drinker of cow urine is the defination of peace in india ?
That i cant say to ur biased mind , but picking up gun and waging war against the country certainly isnt...
 
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We can’t have any meaningful dialogue with BJP at this time. They are intoxicated with anti-Pakistan anti-amuslim fervor.

So much emotion and hate, yet they are killing their own Indian women and minorities because of it.

The frustration is this, they can’t touch Pakistan anymore. Pakistan is a reality thanks to Allama Iqbal and Quaid e Azam.
 
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We should move forward without kashmir talk,
we can do in some other meeting. Whenever we put Kashmir agenda, peace talk is bound to fail . We should not put condition if we want to move forward. Same applies for India. We can move forward, trade well, and we can increase people to people contact. India is our permanent neighbor, and we have to live here as well, It's better to move forward rather than digging 72 years old issue.


Both countries should not put condition , otherwise peace talk is bound to fail in first meeting as happened in past.

I hope our countries realize this. It has been 70 years and India and Pakistan have been working hard to meet the requirements of Einstein's insanity.

Leave all the burning issues aside, focus on trade and improvement of living standards of people. Be positive and move on.
 
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I hope our countries realize this. It has been 70 years and India and Pakistan have been working hard to meet the requirements of Einstein's insanity.

Leave all the burning issues aside, focus on trade and improvement of living standards of people. Be positive and move on.

Not possible.

How long will India hold the Kashmiri people hostage?

How can you have peace with someone who is holding your blood brother and blood sister hostage?
 
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