INDIA: Building a Modern Arsenal in India

[desiman]

HAL To Build Boeing-777 Flaperons

HAL Statement: Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and Boeing today signed an agreement to work together for the production of flaperons for Boeing’s 777 series commercial jetliner. HAL will make the delivery in phases and Boeing will get the first set of flaperons in the next couple of years as per the contract. The 777 flaperon is a highly complex composite assembly that is instrumental in controlling the airplane’s maneuverability in flight. A control surface, flaperons work both as an aileron to control roll and as a flap to control lift.

“HAL and Boeing share a very special relationship and we are delighted that our strengths in composites are getting more international recognition,” Soundara Rajan, Director, Corporate Planning & Marketing, HAL said. “Showcasing HAL’s composite manufacturing capability on one of the world’s premier long-haul commercial jets positions us for even greater opportunities at the forefront of technology,” he added.

“The agreement represents yet another work package Boeing has placed in India and HAL since we first began our relationship with HAL in 1991, and after having received the first production part from HAL in 1995,” said Boeing India President Dinesh Keskar. “The composite 777 flaperon that HAL will produce represents a significant leap forward in technological capability, and supports Boeing’s strategy to work in partnership with India’s aerospace industry for the long-term,” he added.

Senior officials from Boeing and HAL were present on the occasion.Indian carriers have ordered a total of 36 (Thirty-Six) 777s. This includes 23 from Air India and 13 from Jet Airways.

 

[desiman]

Colombia interested in MBT Arjun

The Latin American country Colombia has expressed interest in purchasing India's indigenous Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun. The National Army of Colombia (Ejército Nacional de Colombia) operates armoured personnel carriers and infantry combat vehicles of Brazilian and American origin, but does not have any main armoured strength. As part of its modernisation drive, the country is interested in inducting regiments of main battle tanks. The country has sent the DRDO a request for information (RFI) on MBT Arjun. This is the first ever expression of interest from abroad in the MBT Arjun.

The Colombian Army apparently wants tank regiments to bolster defences on its border with Venezuela where the Chavez government is going on a relentless arms buying spree. In 2004, in fact, Spain pulled out of a deal to supply 46 AMX-30 battle tanks to Colombia amid fears that it would spark off an arms race with Venezuela -- which is precisely what has happened anyway. Remember, Colombia is a country embroiled in low intensity armed civil war, one that has been on since the 1960s.

 

[desiman]

What else Pak is getting from Washington - Wow that is a lot lol


Thought it was a good time to do an update on all the military booty that Pakistan is getting from Uncle Sam. Here's the full list of equipment either on order or in the pipeline or requested for by Pakistan from the US (all information official, and this is just the "declared" stuff!):

1.
Refurbishment and modification of three excess P-3 aircraft with the E-2C HAWKEYE 2000 Airborne Early Warning (AEW) Suite. The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale for refurbishment and modification of three excess P-3 aircraft with the E-2C HAWKEYE 2000 Airborne Early Warning (AEW) Suite, spare and repairs parts, simulators, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical data, system software development and installation, ground/flight testing of new systems and system modifications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $855 million.
2.
2,769 Radio Frequency (RF) TOW 2A Missiles, 7 RF TOW 2A Fly-to-buy Missiles, 415 RF Bunker Buster Missiles, 7 RF Fly-to-buy Bunker Buster Missiles, upgrade of 121 TOW Basic/TOW-I launchers to fire TOW II configuration for wireguided and wireless missiles, TOW Data Acquisition Systems, gunner aiming sight, testers, cameras, spare and repair parts, technical support, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, technical data and publications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $185 million.
3.
Harris High Frequency/Very High Frequency radio systems, which include 1,558 20-Watt High Frequency (HF) Man Packs, 2,188 20-Watt HF Vehicular Systems, 175 150-Watt HF Vehicular Systems, ancillary equipment, spare and repairs parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics services and other related elements of program support. The radios will enable Pakistan to improve on its capability to provide current and updated intelligence between patrols and higher headquarters. Also, the radios will increase interoperability between Pakistan and the U.S. and coalition forces assisting in the efforts to curtail and eliminate terrorist activities.
4.
500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM); 12 AMRAAM training missiles; 240 LAU-129/A Launchers; 200 AIM-9M-8/9 SIDEWINDER missiles; 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits; 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs; 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs; and 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound with FMU-143 Fuze.
5.
Modification/overhaul of 14 F100-PW-220E engines, 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits, de-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft, support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program. The estimated cost is $151 million.
6.
60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of: APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or APG-66(V)2 radar; Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems; AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems; AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems; Have Quick I/II Radios; Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability; Reconnaissance pod capability; Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units; MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM; 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems; 1 Unit Level Trainer; and 10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.
7.
36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars; 7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines; 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets; 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems; 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II; 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs); 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems; 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems; 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM and 1 Unit Level Trainer;
8.
50 UGM-84L (submarine-launched), 50 RGM-84L (surface-launched), and 30 AGM-84L (air-launched) Block II HARPOON missiles; 5 Encapsulated HARPOON Command Launch Systems; 115 containers; missile modifications; training devices; spare and repair parts; technical support; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; technical data and publications; U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $370 million.
9.
115 M109A5 155mm self-propelled howitzers, spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, Quality Assurance Team, U. S. Government logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $56 million.
10.
300 AIM-9M-1/2 SIDEWINDER air-to-air missiles, missile containers, test sets and support equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $46 million.
11.
Eight P-3C aircraft with T-56 engines, communications equipment, training devices, medical services, support and test equipment, engineering technical services, supply support, operation and maintenance training, documentation, spare/repair parts, publications, documentation, personnel training, training equipment, contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related support elements. The estimated cost is $970 million.
12.
Six PHALANX Close-In Weapon Systems (CIWS), upgrade of six PHALANX CIWS Block 0 to Block 1B, spare and repair parts, modification kits, supply and support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical data, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $155 million.
13.
Six AN/TPS-77 Air Surveillance radars, support equipment, spare/repair parts, publications/technical data, personnel training/equipment, and U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $100 million.
14.
Six Aerostat L-88 Radar Systems, spare and repair parts, facility construction and support, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $155 million.
15.
Six used C-130E aircraft with engines, one C-130E operational capabilities upgrade aircraft for cannibalization with engines, upgrade of engines to Allison 56-A-15 engines, modification kits, spare and repair parts, devices, support equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $75 million.

 

[desiman]

Inside the ALH Dhruv for Ecuador

 

[faithfulguy]

India's manufacturing base isn't nearly as big as China's, but that doesn't mean it is non-existent. Also the Agni-II has already been inducted by the armed forces.

India doesn't need a full blown ICBM at the moment, we need a credible delivery system that can hit any place in China from the Indian hinterland. While the Agni-III is already capable of doing so the focus now is on producing a missile with an even greater payload, range and MIRV capability.

Induction doesn't mean operational. It means that its in test trial like what Arihant is doing now. It usually take years from induction to operational so Agni-II probably won't be operational in a few more year.

India is certainly behind many countries in Asia when it comes to strategic weaponry. Excluding Russia, I would say that China and Israel is clearly ahead of India. Maybe Iran, North Korea and Pakistan is also ahead of India. But it doesn't mean that India will never catch up. It just take time....

 

[gogbot]

Given that India totally lacks any manufacturing infrastructure, no wonder Agni II, which was tested in 2001, is still not operational. But maybe after a few years, those guys would iron out the problem and the army and the researcher can move on to make Agni III reliable in a consistent fashion.

As, isn't Agni V an ICBM. It think its a short range ICBM but tis still an ICBM. Maybe that is what India would have it declare to be tested by 2020.

India is fourteenth in the world in factory output. Manufacturing sector in addition to mining, quarrying, electricity and gas together account for 27.6% of the GDP and employ 17% of the total workforce. Economic reforms introduced after 1991 brought foreign competition, led to privatisation of certain public sector industries, opened up sectors hitherto reserved for the public sector and led to an expansion in the production of fast-moving consumer goods

Don't give me that Biased crap about. India not having Manufacturing Infrastructure.

So far as Defense is concerned We have enough to accomplish our goals.

Agni-1, 2 and 3 are already deployed. Agni 3 missiles are pointing at our enemies right now. as i type.the fact that MoD said the Agni-2 is fully inducted, and the Agni-3 is being inducted. Is enough to convince me.

Agni-5 is under development. And that's the ICBM. They said first test in 2010. I said it will be Ready by 2020 with MIRV warheads. and a derivative also ready for the Subs. That is a very conservative outlook. an entire decade to fully induct just one missile. I would not be surprised if they tested another new Agni missile before the end of that decade.

 

[gogbot]

Induction doesn't mean operational. It means that its in test trial like what Arihant is doing now. It usually take years from induction to operational so Agni-II probably won't be operational in a few more year.

India is certainly behind many countries in Asia when it comes to strategic weaponry. Excluding Russia, I would say that China and Israel is clearly ahead of India. Maybe Iran, North Korea and Pakistan is also ahead of India. But it doesn't mean that India will never catch up. It just take time....

Honestly dude You are grossly underestimating India on this account.

I don't know why you seem to think the Agni is not inducted yet.
If one says the Agni-3 is not inducted there is some truth to that.
But what your doing is saying the Agni-2 which the MoD says is

As the backbone of the Indian land-based nuclear deterrent, the real significance of the Agni-II is the fact that it is both road and rail mobile. This is an indication of India's desire not to put its missiles into vulnerable soils. The mobility of the Agni-II, combined with the sheer physical size of India renders the mobile IRBM a very secure and survivable delivery system. Its range of strategic weapons payload and good accuracy make this strategic weapon useful for counter value as well as first strike role.

No one in any strategic circle any where is gonna say India does not field the Agni-2

 

[baba firangi]

India is certainly behind many countries in Asia when it comes to strategic weaponry. Excluding Russia, I would say that China and Israel is clearly ahead of India. Maybe Iran, North Korea and Pakistan is also ahead of India. But it doesn't mean that India will never catch up. It just take time....

Whoaaa!!!..

That was the best NEW YEAR JOKE i've heard since...

It seems you just put forward your speculations as it fancies you?.. Claiming China and Russia were ahead of us when it comes to strategic weaponry was very digestible.. very true.. But then you went ahead and committed an argumentative harakiri by claiming that even North Korea, Iran and Pakistan were ahead of us in strategic weapons..
Did you even ponder over the fact that India has a space program that is among the best in the world.. We launch our satellites on our own launch vehicles.. A country which has an advanced launch vehicle capability would can not be strategically backwards to countries whose space programs are still in infancy.. The whole idea sounds hilarious.. The fact that launch vehicles are nothing more than glorified ICBMs should leave you no doubts about India's ICBM capabilities.. The rest is self explanatory..

Thank you..

 

[gogbot]

Inside the ALH Dhruv for Ecuador

Whoa its roomy inside.

Lets rip those doors out and Mount Mini-guns on the side.

Then we can do some damage.

 

[faithfulguy]

Honestly dude You are grossly underestimating India on this account.

I don't know why you seem to think the Agni is not inducted yet.
If one says the Agni-3 is not inducted there is some truth to that.
But what your doing is saying the Agni-2 which the MoD says is



No one in any strategic circle any where is gonna say India does not field the Agni-2

I would say that Agni-III is still in the testing phase

Angi-II has been inducted to the strategic force but not part of the operational command as the air force is still testing the missile to ensure its reliablility. Because of failures, it should not be regarded as a reliable delivery system until further test in satisfactory.

So Agni-II has been handed over to the military (inducted) But its not regarded as operational from the military command as the tests by the military failed.

 

[faithfulguy]

Whoaaa!!!..

That was the best NEW YEAR JOKE i've heard since...

It seems you just put forward your speculations as it fancies you?.. Claiming China and Russia were ahead of us when it comes to strategic weaponry was very digestible.. very true.. But then you went ahead and committed an argumentative harakiri by claiming that even North Korea, Iran and Pakistan were ahead of us in strategic weapons..
Did you even ponder over the fact that India has a space program that is among the best in the world.. We launch our satellites on our own launch vehicles.. A country which has an advanced launch vehicle capability would can not be strategically backwards to countries whose space programs are still in infancy.. The whole idea sounds hilarious.. The fact that launch vehicles are nothing more than glorified ICBMs should leave you no doubts about India's ICBM capabilities.. The rest is self explanatory..

Thank you..

Iran, NK and Pakistan can be regard as ahead of India in terms of strategic weapon is because these coutries MRBM is operational as India's is not. The reason is because Agni-II tests failed when carried out by the military so the military shouldn't have confidence that these missiles are reliable. On the other hand, Iran and Pakistan MRBM tests were successful when carried out by their military.

 

[T-50]

I would say that Agni-III is still in the testing phase

Angi-II has been inducted to the strategic force but not part of the operational command as the air force is still testing the missile to ensure its reliablility. Because of failures, it should not be regarded as a reliable delivery system until further test in satisfactory.

So Agni-II has been handed over to the military (inducted) But its not regarded as operational from the military command as the tests by the military failed.

It is part of operational command and its stored under tunnel in NE India. Only thing is Agni II AT is now under testing. Its continuous development program.

 

[faithfulguy]

It is part of operational command and its stored under tunnel in NE India. Only thing is Agni II AT is now under testing. Its continuous development program.

Are you talking about Agni-II or Agni-III. If its Agni-II, how is the Indian military reconciled the fact that the test had failed when its conducted by the military?

 

[ssheppard]

Are you talking about Agni-II or Agni-III. If its Agni-II, how is the Indian military reconciled the fact that the test had failed when its conducted by the military?

Whats funny is the assumption that once the missile in Inducted and In operation..there will be and there should be no more tests on that missile...not even for development of some components... that may help increase the shelf life ...or improve the missile ......

 

[gogbot]

I would say that Agni-III is still in the testing phase

Angi-II has been inducted to the strategic force but not part of the operational command as the air force is still testing the missile to ensure its reliablility. Because of failures, it should not be regarded as a reliable delivery system until further test in satisfactory.

So Agni-II has been handed over to the military (inducted) But its not regarded as operational from the military command as the tests by the military failed.

Angi-II has been inducted to the strategic force

Well first of You admit that you now agree Strategic authority has the missiles deployed. Yes.

but not part of the operational command as the air force is still testing the missile to ensure its reliablility.

Now the Air-force has nothing to do with the Missiles. They don't its not their area.The air force has Nuclear bombs and Nuclear tipped Cruise missiles. They are not responsible for Ballistic Missiles.

So Agni-II has been handed over to the military (inducted) But its not regarded as operational from the military command as the tests by the military failed.

So tell me now. Do you honestly believe that The Armed forces of India or any nation are A group immature children.
That don't even bother to test the reliability of their missiles Before inducting them.

Its a very simple argument. Really The Strategic authority has found these missiles reliable and operational though testing prior. And as such has given them to the Army that deploys them.
Its since them been fully inducted.

And one user trial, which we don't even know why it was tested for. We don't know the specifics. Do you have all the info on that trial.
Doubt may be in your mind. But the Military in sure has reason and solution for what ever it was that has happened in that test.
They said in press release that the Missile had a manufacturing quality problem and since then the Manufacture has been notified. No more information was given. No body still knows why they tested it in the first place

If you have doubts so be it. But Know one out there is going to attack India because they think its Strategic missiles are impotent due to one test, which they know very little about.

So i ask you the question. Are you absolute convinced 100% do you believe that you have all the information you need to be sure that the Agni-2 does not work. Enough for you to put your life on the line for.

I would say that Agni-III is still in the testing phase

Yes it would be in its Army user trials right now. Its not in development. Its like an IOC.

Agni III was test fired successfully for third time on May 7, 2008. The missile was launched from Balasore, Orissa and is scheduled for the final test in October 2009. After a flight of roughly 15 minutes defense scientists confirmed that the test fire was successful and that the missile met all parameters. The missile has a velocity of 5,000 meters per second. Agni-III is a nuclear capable fully solid propellant fueled surface-to-surface missile, and has a range of 3,500 km. A new software for navigation system fitted on the missile, will increase accuracy and lethality.

The successful test on May 7, will open door for next generation Indian Inter Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missile Agni-V which will have firing range of 5000-6,000 kilometer.

The final development test will be conducted in late 2009 before it is handed over to army for user trails.