INDIA: Building a Modern Arsenal in India

[T-50]

Iran, NK and Pakistan can be regard as ahead of India in terms of strategic weapon is because these coutries MRBM is operational as India's is not. The reason is because Agni-II tests failed when carried out by the military so the military shouldn't have confidence that these missiles are reliable. On the other hand, Iran and Pakistan MRBM tests were successful when carried out by their military.

Well these country reliability cannot be judge by the words, NK missile always failed and far as PAK, they didnt score a single missile failure and not they publish the result nor tell any technical details , so reliability of their missile is also at doubt.

 

[gogbot]

Well these country reliability cannot be judge by the words, NK missile always failed and far as PAK, they didnt score a single missile failure and not they publish the result nor tell any technical details , so reliability of their missile is also at doubt.

Well actually i don't want to Assume anything, especially with my many preconceptions on PAK

Pak may really be good at making missiles.
Or really good at information control.

But even those successful tests would tell you that their missiles work.

 

[desiman]

Maybe like this Gogbot ? LOL

 

[baba firangi]

Iran, NK and Pakistan can be regard as ahead of India in terms of strategic weapon is because these coutries MRBM is operational as India's is not. The reason is because Agni-II tests failed when carried out by the military so the military shouldn't have confidence that these missiles are reliable. On the other hand, Iran and Pakistan MRBM tests were successful when carried out by their military.

One sentence..
How many tests do these countries ever do on their missiles before inducting them?

Compare that with the varieties of tests missiles are put through in India, and you will get an idea about which country's missile you would like to keep under your pillow to get sound sleep at night for yourself and for your family..

You hear of Agni 2 failing the user trial for a very simple reason, because a user trial was conducted over Agni 2 missile in the first place.. Can any of the countries you have mentioned, even claim of conducting any such tests.. Heck, all of their missiles get overwhelmingly successful in their first test itself.. Wonder what they use in their missiles to get such BANG ON results.. Alien technology maybe..

Anyways, i hope you get the picture..

 

[gogbot]

Maybe like this Gogbot ? LOL

The armed Dhruv is fine in its own right.


But i wanted something more like this.

It doesn't feel like Military helicopter until it has a gun sticking out of its side.

 

[saurabh]

Colombia interested in MBT Arjun

The Latin American country Colombia has expressed interest in purchasing India's indigenous Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun. The National Army of Colombia (Ejército Nacional de Colombia) operates armoured personnel carriers and infantry combat vehicles of Brazilian and American origin, but does not have any main armoured strength. As part of its modernisation drive, the country is interested in inducting regiments of main battle tanks. The country has sent the DRDO a request for information (RFI) on MBT Arjun. This is the first ever expression of interest from abroad in the MBT Arjun.

The Colombian Army apparently wants tank regiments to bolster defences on its border with Venezuela where the Chavez government is going on a relentless arms buying spree. In 2004, in fact, Spain pulled out of a deal to supply 46 AMX-30 battle tanks to Colombia amid fears that it would spark off an arms race with Venezuela -- which is precisely what has happened anyway. Remember, Colombia is a country embroiled in low intensity armed civil war, one that has been on since the 1960s.

Wow, surprisingly good. If this happens, IA would be forced to rethink on t90s

 

[gogbot]

Wow, surprisingly good. If this happens, IA would be forced to rethink on t90s

The Army is looking for another tank.

In 2008, the Indian Army announced plans to acquire an entirely new main battle tank unrelated to the Arjun, to be inducted after 2020. The Indian Army has held an "international seminar on future MBTs", during which the parameters and requirements of this future MBT were identified. As a result, Russia has offered to team with India on developing this future tank. These developments do not bode well for the future of the Arjun project.

According to Jane's, the Indian Army has confirmed that the Arjun's production will be capped at 124 units. Lt General Dalip Bharadwaj, the Director General for the Mechanized Infantry, said that "Army will place no more orders for Arjun beyond 124 that was already contracted", because the "Army is now looking 20 years ahead and wants a futuristic MBT.

Russia offers to team with India on new MBT - Jane's Defence News

Indian Army abandons plans to order more Arjuns - Jane's Defence News

India sets in motion plans to build futuristic tanks- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

but the Arjun has not been abandoned completely. MoD is still financing the project.

DRDO is continuing to develop some new technology systems for MBT Arjun.


1. Automatic target locating, tracking and destruction.

2. DRDO is developing the Tank Urban Survival Kit which is a series of improvements to the Arjun intended to improve fighting ability in urban environments which includes defensive aids like laser warning, IR jammer, and aerosol smoke grenade system.

3. CVRDE is in the process of developing tank simulators.

4. A new improved 1500 hp engine.

5. DRDO also plans to develop robotic vehicles that will work on tele-link in addition to make the tracking of targets automatic.

6. An anti-helicopter round is under development as well.

DRDO Plans To Incorporate Hi-Tech Technology Systems In Arjun Battle Tank

Defensive Aid Systems for Arjun MBT Ready: DRDO | India Defence

Also if you go to the DRDO website

DRDO::

they refere to the Tank as

Mk 1 prototypes of MBT Arjun

Confirming more advanced versions are being developed.

 

[saurabh]

The Army is looking for another tank.



but the Arjun has not been abandoned completely. MoD is still financing the project.



Also if you go to the DRDO website

DRDO::

they refere to the Tank as



Confirming more advanced versions are being developed.

But what use that be of? Once we get T90, we wont need anything for atleast a decade. Who knows what kind of war machine we would need after that. Helis may be. But instead of helping Russian arms industry, IA should have cooperated with DRDO.
And what about that face of bw t90 and Arjun. What if Arjun proves to be superior?

 

[gogbot]

But what use that be of? Once we get T90, we wont need anything for atleast a decade. Who knows what kind of war machine we would need after that. Helis may be. But instead of helping Russian arms industry, IA should have cooperated with DRDO.
And what about that face of bw t90 and Arjun. What if Arjun proves to be superior?

How many tanks do we have. How many tanks are we getting.

In all, India plans to have 310 T-90S and 1,330 T-90M tanks in service by 2020.

That is a very small number of tanks.

Indian Army statistics

Active Troops 1,414,000
Reserve Troops 1,800,000
Indian Territorial Army 787,000**
Main battle tanks 5,000
Artillery 3,200
Ballistic missiles ~100 (Agni-I,Agni-II,Agni-III)
Ballistic missiles ~1,000 Prithvi missile series
Cruise missiles ~1,000 BrahMos
Aircraft ~1,500
Surface-to-air missiles 100,000

We need to not only Maintain but also Increase those levels.
1,500 T-90's is not going to cut it.

If you look at it, it clear to see that The Army has got something planned that they are not telling the public about.

Either we are going to get more T-90's or we may well in deed induct more Arjun's

 

[sudhir007]

How many tanks do we have. How many tanks are we getting.



That is a very small number of tanks.



We need to not only Maintain but also Increase those levels.
1,500 T-90's is not going to cut it.

If you look at it, it clear to see that The Army has got something planned that they are not telling the public about.

Either we are going to get more T-90's or we may well in deed induct more Arjun's

adding some more point in your list
if you see we need to replace our old fleet of Vejenta and T-55 around 1500 (vintage tank )

 

[gogbot]

adding some more point in your list
if you see we need to replace our old fleet of Vejenta and T-55 around 1500 (vintage tank )

Then you see what i mean. Frankly, Its a growing suspicion. That There will be more trials for the Arjun Mk-2 . And baring its success.
It may be the T-90 that will be capped at 1500.

I am more then convinced that the Army may have been truly unhappy with the Engine on the Arjun.

The Indian government plans to adapt and further develop the Kaveri engine design and technology to create a gas-turbine powerplant for armoured fighting vehicles such as the Arjun tank.

 

[desiman]

The Army is looking for another tank.



but the Arjun has not been abandoned completely. MoD is still financing the project.



Also if you go to the DRDO website

DRDO::

they refere to the Tank as



Confirming more advanced versions are being developed.

Indian Engineering has always been a hit or miss thing. We pioneered into new technology, from the first domestically developed aircraft to space technology. Yes we have had setbacks but our success have outnumbered them. The Arjun tank is just another one of our try's to achieve full domestic capability and yes with future version this beautiful piece of machinery will be perfected and will be among the best. Just as an example how where we were and where we have come to, have a look at these pics -



This is ISRO in the 70's


And this is ISRO now -

Jai Hind

 

[desiman]

Actually yes. It's called the J-11B, and it's more advanced than MKI in all major parameters.

Really are you sure ? I dont think so last time i checked lol

 

[desiman]

The Sea Gripen Pitch To The Indian Navy





As was reported recently, the Indian Navy has sent out an RFI on a new multirole deck-based fighter. One of the potential contenders is Saab with its little known Sea Gripen. Here's an official brief along with official photographs of the Sea Gripen by Peter Nilsson, VP Op Capabilities at Gripen:

The Sea Gripen Programme Saab AB has since the beginning of the Gripen programme analysed and discussed a carrier based version from time to time. The first studies go back to the mid-90s. The studies have been initiated due to interest shown by difference countries which see the land based Gripen as their future land based fighter alternative and who also have, or are aiming to, develop carriers within their fleets. One of the main reasons is Gripen’s one of a kind capability to operate from rugged short road strips, which leads to the obvious corollary of “How much re-construction is needed to re-design the Gripen into a carrier based version?”

The basic Swedish Air Force requirements in the original design for securing the capability of short strips operations is very like “carrier based ops”. Qualities like; low landing speed, high pitch and roll authority, high precision glide slope control, high precision landing capability, high sink rate clearance, strengthened airframe etc. are built-in from the beginning.

Add Gripen´s character for active service in field with easy maintenance (engine changes < 1 hour in field, no need for external power etc) makes the “jump” much shorter with Gripen compared to other land-based fighters’ opportunity to transform into a “deck-based” fighter.

The decision to launch the programme within Saab AB was taken in the context of Gripen market opportunities in two nations which are both at the beginning of developing a carrier based capability for their Armed Forces, namely Brazil and India. The Sea Gripen Programme is aimed for naval-/carrier based operations.

A few highlights: The Sea Gripen is a development programme with its origin from the Gripen NG programme. Sea Gripen is aimed for both CATOBAR and STOBAR operations. The main technical re-designs are:

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New undercarriage and nose gear to cope with higher sink rate forces and catapult launches.
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Strengthened air frame in some areas.
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Redesigned arrestor hook
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“Marinazing” of the aircraft (increased requirements on salt water protections, operations in hot and humidity conditions etc.)

All together the re-design will add weight on the airframe which will give an empty weight between 7500-8000 kg. (~400 kg extra weight compare to Gripen NG) Due to its balanced size there are no needs for structural changes like folding wings Sea Gripen will be a very appealing alternative for nations with smaller size carriers. Its well balanced weight/size compare to heavy twin-engine alternatives will allow nations to move from “air defence”- carriers to a concept with strategic capabilities, without a replacement of their carriers. All sensors, avionics and weapons within the Gripen NG programme will be offered in the Sea Gripen.

 

[desiman]

The Eclipse from IAF An-32