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India Ahead : How will PAF counter IAF - FGFA/PAKFA ?

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This is true that Russian products are of low quality and by no mean comparalbe with US or European technology. Not only Russians are behind form US by 8 to 10 years but also they uses degraded material in their products.. As far as SU 30 is concerned! its has been grounded many times (including undeclared groundings) proves its quality.

i think pakistan no need any aircraft because indian planes are really low quality when war time comes so all our plane will automatically crashed .................................. best of luck to pakistan ...please dont spend money on buying planes and spend that money some where else :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
This is true that Russian products are of low quality and by no mean comparalbe with US or European technology. Not only Russians are behind form US by 8 to 10 years but also they uses degraded material in their products.. As far as SU 30 is concerned! its has been grounded many times (including undeclared groundings) proves its quality.


Care to provide some links to support this claim??
 
Just amazing :smitten:

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This is true that Russian products are of low quality and by no mean comparalbe with US or European technology. Not only Russians are behind form US by 8 to 10 years but also they uses degraded material in their products.. As far as SU 30 is concerned! its has been grounded many times (including undeclared groundings) proves its quality.

Cmon dude..is ur pride or envy (of not getting the MKI..kidding :lol:) making u say so..?

Every one knows that two things Russians do good is make sexy fighter planes and heavy duty missiles.

Yeah i agree..techniologically they maybe inferior to americans but not as much as it is made out to be.

But remember watever the Russians lag in tech (or assume they lag) they make up with brute power,manoevourabilty etc and the end product is more or less on par with the Western ones (now dont compare Raptor..PAKFA baby is coming for that.)

look and feel the difference
F-16
F-35
F-22
Su-30 MKI
PAK FA

Now wen did looks become a criteria for judging a planes perfomance..?
If so Russkies win hands down ina ny damn category...They make the best looking planes ever..
Even many members of PDF from ur side have said that the MKI looks way more sexy than the F-16..and pls dont deny that.

As for the F-22 and F-35. baby PAKFA is coming all the way :lol:...The fotos are just trial pics and lets c wat the Russkies can deliver as the final product..
 
i think pakistan no need any aircraft because indian planes are really low quality when war time comes so all our plane will automatically crashed .................................. best of luck to pakistan ...please dont spend money on buying planes and spend that money some where else :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

A guy who is dissed and cannot come with arguments automatically insults or fail trolls...
and runs away like hes right..
 
Cmon dude..is ur pride or envy (of not getting the MKI..kidding :lol:) making u say so..?

Every one knows that two things Russians do good is make sexy fighter planes and heavy duty missiles.

Yeah i agree..techniologically they maybe inferior to americans but not as much as it is made out to be.

But remember watever the Russians lag in tech (or assume they lag) they make up with brute power,manoevourabilty etc and the end product is more or less on par with the Western ones (now dont compare Raptor..PAKFA baby is coming for that.)


uhm.. its very well known that russia just puts some tnt in their bombs and thats it..
same with their missiles.
its heavy payload.. but so INACCURATE.
Like seriously really inaccurate.
its very well known.
i have seen many documentaires.
Also the precent missiles on their planes are not better compared to turkish or us missiles.
maybe in payload but still the us missiles are more effectively and more accurate.
russian planes are only better in manoevrebility and the heavier or bigger plane makes it worser. not better...
 
Simple as that PAF will Counter IAF's new aircraft with superior Pilots(INSALLAH).

This should be kept in mind:

IAF deployments in Kashmir , for what came to be known as ‘Operation Safedsagar’, commenced on 15 May and the bulk of operational assets were positioned by 18 May. 150 combat aircraft were deployed, as follows:

Srinagar 34 (MiG-21, MiG23, MiG-27)

Awantipur 28 (MiG-21, MiG29, Jaguar)

Udhampur 12 (MiG-21)

Pathankot 30 (MiG-21, MiG-23)

Adampur 46 (Mir-2000, MiG-29, Jaguar)

One-third of the aircraft were modern, ‘high-threat’ fighters equipped with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air-to-air missiles....

...While the Indians had been surprised by the infiltration in Kargil, the IAF mobilised and reacted rapidly as the Indian Army took time to position itself. Later, when the Indian Army had entrenched itself, the IAF supplemented and filled in where the artillery could not be positioned in force. Clearly, Army-Air Joint Operations had a synergistic effect in evicting the intruders. ...

...There was no doubt in the minds of PAF Air Staff that the first cross-border attack (whether across LOC or the international border) would invite an immediate response from the IAF in the shape of a retaliatory strike against the home base of the intruding fighters, thus starting the first round. PAF’s intervention meant all-out war: this unmistakable conclusion was conveyed to the Prime Minister, Mr Nawaz Sharif by PAF’s Chief of Air Staff in no equivocal terms. ...

...The over-arching consideration was the BVR missile capability of IAF fighters which unfavourably impinged on the mission success probability. The conclusion was that a replication of the famous four-Vampire rout of 1st September 1965 by two Sabres might not be possible. A fighter sweep thus came to be a non-starter....

...While the PAF looked at some offensive options, it had a more pressing defensive issue at hand. The IAF’s minor border violations during recce missions were not of grave consequence, in so far as no bombing took place in our territory; however, the fact that these missions helped the enemy refine its air and artillery targeting, was, to say the least, disconcerting. There were constant reports of our troops on the LOC disturbed to see (or hear) IAF fighters operating with apparent impunity. ... and so on

PAF in Kargil : A PAF warrior speaks out Pak Tea House


The bottom line is, since Kargil it is evident that the clear BVR superiority of IAF is the biggest problem for PAF. Not that IAF has more fighters, or that they now have Flankers, but the simple fact that even good PAF pilots with F16 B15 were most likely shot down way before they can prove their skills in dog fights.

In todays warfare with BVR missiles, lower RCS, AWACS and soon even stealth capabilities, the skill of a pilot in engaging an opponent is less important that it was in the past. Today you try to detect an enemy before he can and shoot first, that has nothing to do with skill, but with technology.
That's why PAF is countering this disadvantage by upgrading and new procuring of real 4th gen fighters (F16s and JF 17). In numbers and even in capability they still can't match IAF, but at least the clear
superiority in BVR will be reduced.

Regarding PAFs defense capabilities, I said it in the Indian defense section often too, not the new F16s, or JF 17 will be a problem for IAF in this decade, but the induction of AWACS in PAF! This capability is way more important for the defense than trying to counter the MKI for example 1 on 1. If you can detect it before it can cross border, you can also send fighters to engage them and if you could even guide BVR missiles via data links, even SD 10 will be a problem, let alone AMRAAM.
Exactly the same problem that PAF has now against IAF, although they Bisons won't win a dogfight against PAFs F16s, in BVR with MKI, or AWACS guidance, they will be more than a problem for these superior fighters.

That's why I don't see any alternative for IAF than procuring fighters with very low RCS for the future like the Euro Canards (through MMRCA), or 5. gen fighters like Pak Fa. These will be detected sooner, or later too, but will give the superiority again back to IAF.

First sight, first shoot!


Just my 2 cents about this, btw for Indian members that report should be interesting too, because it is always good to see things from a different point of view!
 
This is true that Russian products are of low quality and by no mean comparable with US or European technology. Not only Russians are behind form US by 8 to 10 years but also they uses degraded material in their products.. As far as SU 30 is concerned! its has been grounded many times (including undeclared groundings) proves its quality.

Two losses in over a decade service!
 
and how many REAL battles have they seen?
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so if yet it not used in real battles so they low quality ????
ur post show that??

and if u say that so f22, f35, eurofighter typhoon and others are also not used in real battle yet so what u want to say about them ??

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why u showing these images ..................there is no chance for pakistan that they can get these planes


JUST imagine ur jxx :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I am not here to spoon feed you. got to previous page and you will be embarrassed on your post.
 
Two losses in over a decade service!

losses is not an appropriate word. Grounding of fleet is more appropriate.

BTW there are many undeclared.
and also do not count only Sukhoi's grounding but all russian jets grounding.
 
I am not here to spoon feed you. got to previous page and you will be embarrassed on your post.

grow up dude ... .. please read the title of the thread

India Ahead : How will PAF counter IAF - FGFA/PAKFA ?
now u definitely feel embarrassed
 
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