Bushroda
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There might very well be government quotas for Dalits due to the discrimination they get in society, and this is a step in the right direction. However this is only a very small part of the story. Generally the GoI wants votes from all parts of the communities, it needs to save face in the international community, and in generally surveys have shown that Dalits are subject to huge discrmination within society (examples see below).
Once Again Your usual confusion surfaces here. In your earlier posts you spoke of how Lower Caste were forced into voting for prefered individuals of Upper Caste & now you are talking of GoI trying to entice them with perks. It is hard to understand what line you are toeing.
Official records show that the rate of atrocities against Dalits continues at about 26,000 a year. That figure is enormous but is unlikely to represent anything like the true extent of caste-based violence against Dalits. A seminal study last year, “Untouchability in Rural India”, found that in 28 per cent. of villages surveyed Dalits faced discrimination in entry into police stations and that in 32 per cent. they encountered discrimination in how they were treated in police stations.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm070508/halltext/70508h0005.htm
Dalits constitute for 16% of India's population that makes their absolute population stand at 180 million of which you could only come up with 26000 cases which is less than 0.0014%. Now I suppose thats a very fair percentage by your terms. BTW, no where did I read in the report that Dalits are forced to vote against their will, a tripe that you have been harping upon since your first post.
There's clearly many aspects of Dalit day to day living that is discriminatory. Indian government turns a blind eye to these things, whilst projecting the government quotas on Muslims, Dalits and so on for the very few government jobs on offer. It does help the Dalits for sure, but only a very few of them. In general, they are denied their right at the ground level.
And how would you describe the day to day life discrimination that dalits face? By having their hands cutoff if they vote against the will of Upper caste? You have again contadicted yourself here when you speak of government offering Job Quotas to them, a far cry from your earlier statement. BTW, there are over 15 million government jobs in India of which dalits have a share of 4 million and that includes representation at the highest level including civil services. Indian Railway itself comprises of 1.6 million jobs.
Even the UN acknowledges what i'm saying, the least you could do is do the same, else you're just lying in bed with racists.
No where does UN states that Dalits are forced to vote against their will. I decry to accept your line. Now, call me racist.
For these reasons, Dalits are kept subjugated by the Upper Castes and cannot bring into the mainstream politics those parties that would end Dalit discrimination such as caste violence and police immunity to perpetrators of Dalit crimes. One this immunity is removed, then the Dalits I believe will be able to finally vote freely and new mainstream political parties that really make a difference for Dalits will come to the fore.
Again the same puerile statement devoid of any hardcore knowledge of subject. When it has been iterated a gazillion times by now as to what constitutes the political nature in India. I am sure even an answering machine can come with a different response than yours. When even your own articles that you posted do not speak of dalits being devoid of their voting rights how hard is it for you to acknowledge?
Well, it's not what I said. I think instead of looking up words which you don't know how to use for the most part, focus on writing a valid response to a valid point.
I havn't subjected my Knowledge of English vocabulary & grammer open to your assesment. It is fairly evident to me that you aren't a professor of English literature at Oxford. So, kindly concentrate on subject matter rather than passing juvenile statement on my level of english knowledge. If you are having any trouble comprehending words or statements then word reference is at your service
http://dictionary.reference.com/
Now, the simple point you need to argue is that for India aka Bharat to be a true democracy it needs to BOTH ensure that Dalits and other lower castes are not bullied into voting for the upper caste politicians that will bully them further AND eliminate illiteracy. Once these two have been achieved, Bharat will be a genuine democracy, since right now it is not.
I have made my point but if there is something hard for you to accept it against your dogmatic beliefs then I am least interested in clearing the cob-webs in your head. Discussion is for understanding not for scoring points and definately not if someone keeps chanting the same credo in every post.
Actually, I could see who was a low caste and who was not. But the lower castes form 85% of the population, and I know that Indian politics is DOMINATED by the Upper castes. Absolute values are irrelevant.
Actually you couldn't otherwise you would've known that the majority of them belong to OBC category. But then accepting the fact is against your dogmatic principles.
It's me and some very intellectual people that consider India aka Bharat to be a sham democracy, not least an educated literary prize winner.
So the rest of the world is devoid of any intellect & You along with that (H)ooker prize winner belong to the enlightened illuminati. If that makes you happy so be it.
I rest my case.