In tears, in loneliness: PM Hasina & Rehana while publishing father's book

[kalu_miah]

you may not know this but currently most top secretarial positions are currently held by hindus in bangladesh. Even sonali bank's chairman is a ghoti. One of the top 5 guy of BTCL is a ghoti.. Even all top shot agents (dalals) are currently ghotis. I met one ghoti who has a condo in bombay, one in calcutta and one in dhaka. Very highly connected with literally every ministry and secretarial position. He even has connections with a highly top politician of India (not naming names) Now you be the judge what all of them are (wink) (wink) . Its pretty bad in dhaka at the moment.

Are you sure you are not mixing up Ghoti with Hindu, why would a "Ghoti" (Muslim of West Bengal origin) buy a condo in Mumbai and Kolkata?

Like Akmal Bhai said in his post, it is hard to generalize and put blame on an entire group of people. My philosophy of defending any group is to make sure that they do not become alienated and subvert our cause. We must be inclusive to demand loyalty.

 

[Md Akmal]

you may not know this but currently most top secretarial positions are currently held by hindus in bangladesh. Even sonali bank's chairman is a ghoti. One of the top 5 guy of BTCL is a ghoti.. Even all top shot agents (dalals) are currently ghotis. I met one ghoti who has a condo in bombay, one in calcutta and one in dhaka. Very highly connected with literally every ministry and secretarial position. He even has connections with a highly top politician of India (not naming names) Now you be the judge what all of them are (wink) (wink) . Its pretty bad in dhaka at the moment.

@ I think there is some think wrong in your understanding ? "Ghoties" are not Hindus they are muslims but since they came from India and remained with the West Bengali people so they are called "Ghoti".

 

[baldFish]

Women should stick to cooking, cleaning, looking after kids and satisfying her man unconditionally in the bedroom unless they are made like margaret thatcher, indira gandhi, so basically unless they are like men.

how good are you in the kitchen?

 

[Bhai Zakir]

This is cute. A bloody migrant and root less to my soil pointing finger at me. Dhoti culture doesn't attract me and I have elaborate it many times here in PDF.

Now I think you should migrate back to your grandmother land along with your brother Iajdani.

These low lives are Ehsaan faramosh. They need to be kicked out from Bd land. These ghaddars are working for their original masters. I rather deal with known enemy than these snake.

1. You are calling a Bangladeshi Bloody migrant

2. Its against the PDF rules, personal attacks and abusing a nationality is not allowed.

3. The fact is that ur calling them migrant when you, yourself have migrated to the land of Satan the US of A.

4. Have some shame or have respect for a patriot Bangladeshi who is living in Bangladesh.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

are you in denial of the fact that many parts of india want their own autonomy and not be ruled from delhi?

Nopee.... Most problems arise from Naxals, who take their ideology from Mao, and want to convert India into a communist nation..
There are groups, but they are not dominant...
Separist groups are getting less support even in J&K.....

 

[idune]

you may not know this but currently most top secretarial positions are currently held by hindus in bangladesh. Even sonali bank's chairman is a ghoti. One of the top 5 guy of BTCL is a ghoti.. Even all top shot agents (dalals) are currently ghotis. I met one ghoti who has a condo in bombay, one in calcutta and one in dhaka. Very highly connected with literally every ministry and secretarial position. He even has connections with a highly top politician of India (not naming names) Now you be the judge what all of them are (wink) (wink) . Its pretty bad in dhaka at the moment.

Yes you are correct and I am aware of these facts. Key position in all ministries, in Bangladesh Bank, BTRC, other policy making corners and even judiciary are infiltrated by hindus and ghotis. It’s not to say some of these people got their position by natural promotion but most are installed because Awami league and their partner in crime want to establish indo Awami control over Bangladesh policy and activities. All these artificial installation were/are done using the cover of “secularism”.

We already have seen how Suranjit even after caught with looting money were reinstated as minister because of pressure from india.

That is how Bangladesh telecom law changed using these installed people so bharati airtel can dodge hundreds of million in tax.

We all know story of Gowhar Rizvi, even ruling Awami regime partner pointed out that Gowhar Rizvi working for india.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

why, she is sacrificing her life to serve you guys ..

...She isn't capable to serve, she can only do slavery and that for india. You are competent to be an adviser of hasina...try it, lots of money there. You'll get special privilege as you are from her master's side .

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

This is cute. A bloody migrant and root less to my soil pointing finger at me. Dhoti culture doesn't attract me and I have elaborate it many times here in PDF. Now I think you should migrate back to your grandmother land along with your brother Iajdani.



These low lives are Ehsaan faramosh. They need to be kicked out from Bd land. These ghaddars are working for their original masters. I rather deal with known enemy than these snake.

A low life scum who tries to pretend to be an Arab is saying I am an migrant. What is your or any of your ancestor`s contribution to East Bengal or East Pakistan or Bangladesh!!! Some traitors those who supported killing of innocent Bangladeshis, still prefer to be a Pakistani more then Bangladeshi, speak against Bangladeshi culture and heritage showing the audacity to speak all these manner. This is the other way around. Be thankful to Bangladeshi people those who are letting people like you stay in Bangladesh. If you do not like bengali culture or Bangladesh as you said you prefer only sylhet as your country then Bangladesh ... you can go back to desert of arab or mongolia or Pakistan from where you supposed ancestors came from.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Are you sure about that Iajdani? You are from Madavpur and I am from Jalalabad. Do you think you are more Sylheti than me or we don't even concider you guys real Sylheti.

But of course I am a descendant of Ashraf and proud of my Islamic heritage.

This speaks the volume of the quality of this so called pious muslim. This person speaks each and every day about hinduani culture but he himself along with his ancestors (either hindu convert or some turkish slave) took this hindu practice after this cultic system was introduced by Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani in the 14th century and has given the whole muslims of South Asia a bad name and all these cultic followers are still following these cult system.

The following link provides more details about the origin of these so called Ashraf class....

Caste system among South Asian Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Origins

Sources indicate that the castes among Muslims developed as the result of close contact with Hindu culture and Hindu converts to Islam.[1][2][3][4] Religious scholar Yoginder Sikand elaborates that the caste system among Muslims was not due to the "influence of Hinduism among a previously 'pure', 'uncontaminated' Muslim caste but rather to "the continued impact of Hindu beliefs and customs on the converts who still remained within a largely Hindu cultural universe and retained many of its associated beliefs and practices".[4]
Stratification

In some parts of South Asia, the Muslims are divided as Ashrafs and Ajlafs.[5] Ashrafs claim a superior status derived from their foreign ancestry.[6][7] The non-Ashrafs are assumed to be converts from Hinduism, and are therefore drawn from the indigenous population. They, in turn, are divided into a number of occupational castes.[7]

Sections of the ulema (scholars of Islamic jurisprudence) provide religious legitimacy to caste with the help of the concept of kafa'a. A classical example of scholarly declaration of the Muslim caste system is the Fatawa-i Jahandari, written by the fourteenth century Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani, a member of the court of Muhammad bin Tughlaq, of the Tughlaq dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate. Barani was known for his intensely casteist views, and regarded the Ashraf Muslims as racially superior to the Ajlaf Muslims. He divided the Muslims into grades and sub-grades. In his scheme, all high positions and privileges were to be a monopoly of the high born Turks, not the Indian Muslims.

As it can be seen all the turkish people or people of turkish origin who mostly were slave claimed to be superior race and termed them as Ashraf and many surrounding hindu convert also started to claim such keeping their previous hindu caste system.

N this Ashraf and Ajlafs cult follower is lecturing about islam and good or bad quality muslim.

Bottom line: This supposed Ashraf not to be confused with the Ashraf caste that exist in middle east those who claim they are descendent of prophet Muhammad. This caste system has been introduced by some Turkish cult leader in the 14th century and used the name Ashraf. Thats it.

 

[kalu_miah]

A low life scum who tries to pretend to be an Arab is saying I am an migrant. What is your or any of your ancestor`s contribution to East Bengal or East Pakistan or Bangladesh!!! Some traitors those who supported killing of innocent Bangladeshis, still prefer to be a Pakistani more then Bangladeshi, speak against Bangladeshi culture and heritage showing the audacity to speak all these manner. This is the other way around. Be thankful to Bangladeshi people those who are letting people like you stay in Bangladesh. If you do not like bengali culture or Bangladesh as you said you prefer only sylhet as your country then Bangladesh ... you can go back to desert of arab or mongolia or Pakistan from where you supposed ancestors came from.

Migrant Muslims have come to this place from many different Muslim lands and their blood is mixed with a good percentage of Bengal Muslims, specially the upper levels of society. I think you are not excluded from this class, if am correct. So you have no right to tell someone to go back where some of his ancestors came from. Using your logic, then all of us, including yourself will need to leave this land, just because we have some foreign blood. Bengal or any other South Asian region or many other places where Islam spread, societies were founded and built on this mixed heritage.

If people do not believe in supremacy of Bengali culture that is their right and privilege as a citizen. Again you have no right to tell him to go back to anywhere as this is as much his land as it is any of ours and yours.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Migrant Muslims have come to this place from many different Muslim lands and their blood is mixed with a good percentage of Bengal Muslims, specially the upper levels of society. I think you are not excluded from this class, if am correct. So you have no right to tell someone to go back where some of his ancestors came from. Using your logic, then all of us, including yourself will need to leave this land, just because we have some foreign blood. Bengal or any other South Asian region or many other places where Islam spread, societies were founded and built on this mixed heritage.

If people do not believe in supremacy of Bengali culture that is their right and privilege as a citizen. Again you have no right to tell him to go back to anywhere as this is as much his land as it is any of ours and yours.

There is a certain difference in what you said and what he claim. According to Al-Zakir he is pure muslim from middle east as he is not dhoti loving hindu convert that he accused others numerous time.

N regarding whether he likes or not Bengali culture it is nobody`s concern. But he does use abusive language to the bengali people even for wearing saree or tip, celebrating pohela boisakh and using the current national anthem and following any poem or song written by any hindu poet and in somes muslim also. Is it justifiable to you!!!!

 

[kalu_miah]

This speaks the volume of the quality of this so called pious muslim. This person speaks each and every day about hinduani culture but he himself along with his ancestors (either hindu convert or some turkish slave) took this hindu practice after this cultic system was introduced by Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani in the 14th century and has given the whole muslims of South Asia a bad name and all these cultic followers are still following these cult system.

The following link provides more details about the origin of these so called Ashraf class....

As it can be seen all the turkish people or people of turkish origin who mostly were slave claimed to be superior race and termed them as Ashraf and many surrounding hindu convert also started to claim such keeping their previous hindu caste system.

N this Ashraf and Ajlafs cult follower is lecturing about islam and good or bad quality muslim.

Bottom line: This supposed Ashraf not to be confused with the Ashraf caste that exist in middle east those who claim they are descendent of prophet Muhammad. This caste system has been introduced by some Turkish cult leader in the 14th century and used the name Ashraf. Thats it.

I thought you had some knowledge of history. I think you need to hang out more with eastwatch to get some idea of Bengal and South Asian history.

First of all it is Turkic (Central Asian), not Turkish which implies connection with present day Turkey.

Secondly, why you are attacking Ashraf's of Bengal, do you want to claim you have no Ashraf blood? When Turkics came they married with local ladies, later they married among each other. After 1757 when the Ashraf became poor they mixed with everyone else. So it has become very diffused and mixed, which I am sure you have already seen growing up in Bangladesh.

And then it was not just Turkics, it was all kinds of migrants, Arab traders, Persians, Afghans even Ethiopians.

Mamlukes were slaves of a little different sort:
Mamluk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

By the way I did not attack ashraf class but the caste system that Al-Zakir is trying to promote. Here by saying Ashraf he was referring he is direct descendent of Prophet Muhammad and others are lower quality muslim. This caste based discrimination is absolutely haram in Islam. Just to bring him to reality I had to post all these.

Do you think he will agree with what you said about Ashraf class in the last post!!!

 

[kalu_miah]

There is a certain difference in what you said and what he claim. According to Al-Zakir he is pure muslim from middle east as he is not dhoti loving hindu convert that he accused others numerous time.

N regarding whether he likes or not Bengali culture it is nobody`s concern. But he does use abusive language to the bengali people even for wearing saree or tip, celebrating pohela boisakh and using the current national anthem and following any poem or song written by any hindu poet and in somes muslim also. Is it justifiable to you!!!!

He is just expressing his opinions which is his right, but as I replied to his post, you know that I do not support abusive language from anyone.

Nobody is pure Muslim, even Sahaba's were converted and apart from Arabs in Arabian peninsula in oasis and deserts, almost all Arabic speaking population in Arab world used to speak different language, before they were Arabized. This includes Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Berbers in North Africa etc. Persians were converted and mixed with Arabs. Later Turkic and Turko-Mongol migrants did the same, after settling down they mixed with local population.

So even so called "Ashraf" are of mixed heritage. So all of us carry local genes, there is no denying it, some more and some less.

Personally I think it is foolish to think that Arabs, Turkics, Persians, Afghans are any superior to local people, but there is no reason why we should deny any part of our heritage, local or foreign, which the Bengal Renaissance group from Kolkata was trying to do with their promotion of Bengali Nationalism, which is to deny this "foreign" and imported heritage and lineage of Bengali Muslim culture and focusing only on the local Hindu part.

The culture of Vedic Brahman's supposedly was also imported from outside India, some say from Southern Russia, the Urheimat of Proto-Indo-Europeans. So Brahmans and Kshatrya's are not local either. Some say that in order to prevent race mixing they created this caste system, so they do not have to mix with dark skinned Adivasi/dalit locals.

Note also that Islam and Muslims are the greatest race mixers of the world from the beginning of Islamic expansion. If you consider race mixing as a good thing, which I do, since I believe that race-mixing will be able to end racism on this planet, then you should celebrate the race mixing tradition of Islamic culture and not celebrate the exclusivist caste oppression of Hindu culture.

 

[kalu_miah]

By the way I did not attack ashraf class but the caste system that Al-Zakir is trying to promote. Here by saying Ashraf he was referring he is direct descendent of Prophet Muhammad and others are lower quality muslim. This caste based discrimination is absolutely haram in Islam. Just to bring him to reality I had to post all these.

Do you think he will agree with what you said about Ashraf class in the last post!!!

Caste system is a Hindu thing, Muslims should not follow it, we pray shoulder to shoulder with all Muslims. But racism as we discussed many times before is a very human condition, so it remains with Brahmins as well as relative pure "Ashraf" among us, that is the unfortunate reality. I am sure it will change with time.

He may or may not agree, I am just stating the truth as I see it.