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In India 7 yrs in jail for eating beef; cops can raid on mere suspicion

I understand sirji, just saying that I'm hopeful we go past this phase as it is not a healthy(for the nation) practice.
Just my 2 cents. We can agree to disagree.:tup:


Don't bet on it as India is still very religious this won't change even in 20-30 years time.
 
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This article provides another instance of backward radical-Hindutva ideology with which no Muslims in the entire South Asian subcontinent agrees.
 
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This article provides another instance of backward radical-Hindutva ideology with which no Muslims in the entire South Asian subcontinent agrees.


Sure thats why Indian muslims support us and issued a fatwa :lol:
 
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Sure thats why Indian muslims support us and issued a fatwa :lol:

Thats why Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims do not support you and continue to eat beef openly. Indian Muslims have to support you other wise they would be butchered. That's another proof of why backward radical-Hindutva terror ideology finds no support from Muslims of the South Asian Subcontinent.

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Yes thats why even the Moghuls banned cow slaughter:disagree:

I was not born during the reign of the Mughals so I do not know if this is more of your Hindutva propaganda, but let it be clear that consuming beef has not stopped in this part of the world for the last multiple centuries and would not stop in any case.
 
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Thats why Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims do not support you and continue to eat beef openly. Indian Muslims have to support you other wise they would be butchered. That's another proof of why backward radical-Hindutva terror ideology finds no support from Muslims of the South Asian Subcontinent.

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I was not born during the reign of the Mughals so I do not know if this is more of your Hindutva propaganda, but let it be clear that consuming beef has not stopped in this part of the world for the last multiple centuries and would not stop in any case.


But why we care about Pakistanis and Bangladeshis when they not Indian? they can do what they want.
 
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Couple of bolded text items caught my eyes. How stupid can it get?

New cattle Bill to slaughter civil liberties in state, News - Cover Story - Bangalore Mirror,Bangalore Mirror


If the Karnataka Prevention of Slaughter and Preservation of Cattle Bill, 2010, as envisaged by the BJP government in the state, goes on to become a law, it could turn out to be as draconian as any dreaded anti-terror Act.

The anti-cattle slaughter bill has a provision which empowers a police officer, not below the rank of sub-inspector, to barge into your home or workplace and arrest you on the merest suspicion that you are in possession of beef. Your vehicle could be confiscated if the police suspect you are transporting cattle for slaughter. Unlike other laws based on natural justice, the onus would be on you to prove you are not guilty. And while you are at it, your confiscated property could be auctioned away.

To cap it all, no action — no suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings — can be initiated against the police for they have “acted in good faith.” So, there is no question of compensation for harassment if any accused manages to prove his/her innocence.

The state not just wants to ban eating of beef. It wants to make even possession of beef illegal. President Pratibha Patil has sent back the bill to the state, but the government says the Rashtra-pati Bhavan's sole objection is to buffalo being included in the list of cattle that cannot be slaughtered. The state will happily strike out buffalo from the forbidden list, and is confident that the Bill will face no further hurdles.

For slaughtering cattle, the bill recommends up to seven years’ imprisonment. It aims to replace the 1964 Act of prevention of cow slaughter, which prescribed six months’ jail term for killing a cow less than 12 years old. In fact, the new Bill replaces ‘cow’ with ‘cattle’. The BJP-ruled states of Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh too have passed similar laws, but they are less stringent and have not made possession of beef illegal.

IT'S DRACONIAN: EXPERTS
Civil rights activists and legal luminaries fear it would be a travesty of justice if the bill goes on to become a law, with the police given sweeping powers. Prof S Japhet, director at the Centre for the Study of Social Exclusion and Inclusive Policy, NLSIU, says, “As a preventive measure, the bill allows search and seizure, which are going to be an impingement upon right to privacy as they would involve searching your kitchen, dining room and other places, such as restaurants and eateries. It could unleash terror among alleged beef eaters anytime, anywhere.”

Supreme Court advocate KV Dhananjay says, “Section 304A of the Indian Penal Code, prescribes a punishment of two years when an individual is killed by the negligent act of another human being. All the accused in the Bhopal gas tragedy were charged under this provision and convicted for just two years. So what is the justification of imposing seven years’ jail term for killing a cow?”

THOU SHALL NOT KEEP
Shiva Sundar of Komu Souharda Vedike and Alternate Law Forum says, “Even in Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh, where similar laws have been passed, possession of beef is not a crime. The president has suggested that buffalo be kept out. But when you are caught with beef, how would the police determine if it is from a cow, oxen or buffalo? The accused will have to wait till forensic reports are obtained. Only a first-class magistrate can try these cases at taluks and district headquarters. The accused will have to employ a lawyer and wait for the police to complete the formalities.”

THOU SHALL NOT EAT
The proposed law challenges eating habits of a large number of people — minorities in particular. Japhet says, “Beef, buffalo-eating is culturally acceptable or suitable to many, such as the Dalits, tribes living in the North-East, Muslims, Christians, etc. The concept of banning beef is a blow to their rights."

THOU SHALL NOT SELL
Apart from targeting beef-eaters, the Bill is harsh on farmers. “What does a farmer do with old cattle which can neither be used for ploughing, nor can produce milk? He sells them and buy new ones. But the bill makes it mandatory that he hands them over to a goshala and pay fee for maintenance. This is ridiculous. You cut a farmer’s economic chain and when he does not have money to feed himself, you make him pay to look after his cattle that would have brought him some money. Even the president has not commented on this issue. Forget the minorities whose eating habits will be affected. This bill will affect farmers more,” Sundar says.

LOOPHOLES
There are other loopholes in the bill which could hurt liberties further. “The legislature should have taken into account that beef sale and consumption are legal in the neighbouring states.” Sundar says. “Tourists or any person arriving from other states may bring in beef. The proposed law does not make allowances for such a situation. So, can a person in possession of beef, legally slaughtered for consumption in another state, be arrested by the cops? What about dead cattle? Can you eat them after they die natural death? The bill is silent on these issues.”
Also, the bill does not consider the case of male calf of a mixed-breed cattle. “What can it be used for? It has only meat value. But who will pay for looking after it until it dies? The state seems to have no idea,” Sundar adds.


WHY MINCE WORDS?
Dhananjay says the government should have been bold enough to admit its true intention. “It is a law of pretence. There was no need for the state to hide its intentions. Hindus being the predominant majority in India, it is legally acceptable that states or the Centre will devise laws to protect and preserve the core and ancient religious belief of the Hindus. If the government can show that cow slaughter is against the Hindu faith, there is no need to argue legally that cow preservation helps mankind. The argument should be straight, simple and honest. The state could have clearly said that the law against cow slaughter is primarily meant to protect the ancient and religious belief of the Hindus.”


‘Loaded and flawed’
» For slaughtering cattle, the bill recommends up to 7 years’ imprisonment
» Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh too have passed similar laws, but possession of beef is not illegal there
» The state will comply with the Prez’s request that buffalo be left out of the forbidden list. But if one is caught with beef, how would a cop know if the meat has come from a cow, buffalo or oxen?
 
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thanks for reviving the thread, had a good laugh :rofl:
 
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Indian Democracy = 7 years in prison for eating a beef burger
Indian Freedom = Medieval Caste (slave) System

India needs to be liberated from such barbarity.
 
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Indian Democracy = 7 years in prison for eating a beef burger
Indian Freedom = Medieval Caste (slave) System

India needs to be liberated from form such barbarity.


Mate - I highlighted it due to the reason I believe this law is mocking at the civil liberties of the people though I am one of those Hindus who believe religious fundamentalism - whether hindutva or jihad or proselytism is wrong. There are millions of us who understand certain flaws in our society and are making progress towards getting of these flaws albeit slow but we are proud Indians. We do not need any liberation.

If you need to understand the social progress we have made in the past 60 years+ very well we can discuss in a separate thread.
 
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if your looking for South Asian beef dishes India is not the place to be Hindus and beef is like Muslims and pork they just dont match up in their eyes Pakistanis got the amazing beef samosas made from keema (which are fcking delicious) and of course Niharis on the other hand Pork Vindaloo is tasty and definitely one of the most spiciest dishes from the subcontinent even the Sikh gurus and the followers hunted hogs and cooked their legs in stew the 6th guru hargobind was a frequent hunter and his early sikh followers did the same.

guys you shouldn't judge on what people eat it is in one word stupid as humans we decide what we think is right to eat based on moral or religious reasons besides there is always a great substitute out there somewhere.

i just have to say i plan on going to GawalMandi in Lahore and will most definitely munch on Beef Samosas and perhaps dip them in Nihari i've only tried beef samosas once and i fell in love right there.
 
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Mate - I highlighted it due to the reason I believe this law is mocking at the civil liberties of the people though I am one of those Hindus who believe religious fundamentalism - whether hindutva or jihad or proselytism is wrong. There are millions of us who understand certain flaws in our society and are making progress towards getting of these flaws albeit slow but we are proud Indians. We do not need any liberation.

If you need to understand the social progress we have made in the past 60 years+ very well we can discuss in a separate thread.
india needs more people like u :tup:
 
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