In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[Chhatrapati]

This thread looks like a mine field.
Hey you don't have to wait much, after seeing the recent incidents it's only a matter of time before the 'added' secular in India disappears through another constitutional amendment. Besides, I also think Congress will split into possibly two groups Congress-S aka Sonia Group and Congress-B aka BJP group which is nothing surprising given their history.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I understand many things, but just because someone intends something, I can not deny their basic rights.
BTW, many people intended many things about Pakistan and Muslims, and here we are, and there th in the faceey were.

Not reasonable. You are where you are, and they are where they are, because in those days, the Congress had some morality, some intellect, and some vision, and they saw that making a nation in partnership with those who would simply refuse to cooperate would not work. It was their giving in and accepting that this joint working was not possible in the face of AIML intransigence that allowed partition to happen.

The other facet that you mentioned was due to this Congress party keeping the weird Two Nation Theory wallahs from India at arms' length. Perhaps you might argue that there was no great effort; those Two Nation Theory wallahs abhorred this development and kept far away from it. Whatever the underlying causes, they did keep away from it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dear Pakistanis on this thread, I will never advocate anything that is against the interest of Pakistan, even though I am annoyed over few things within Pakistani politics.
The main reason of this thread is to support the right of a huge number of people in India, who are frustrated over denial of their rights by their neighbors.
I cannot speak for the majority of Pakistan or all of them, but at least I can float an idea for discussion.
No matter what is your opinion, I respect you and I am willing to hear from you.

 

[Joe Shearer]

79.somthing is Hindu, that's all I know. And there is an uproar of what I am advocating here.
So, it will be better now that Indian govt is holding a poll in India, and if majority says yes, then I will say, go ahead. There is no harm in it for Pakistan. And trust me on that. Pakistan k liay khair hi khair hai is main.

No, it is not 79%; it was always a much lower figure, disguised by airily including the scheduled castes and the scheduled tribes as Hindus.

 

[crankthatskunk]

79.somthing is Hindu, that's all I know. And there is an uproar of what I am advocating here.
So, it will be better now that Indian govt is holding a poll in India, and if majority says yes, then I will say, go ahead. There is no harm in it for Pakistan. And trust me on that. Pakistan k liay khair hi khair hai is main.

To be honest, I couldn't careless what they call themselves, or anyone wants to call anything for themselves.
But their is a caveat in it. It is one thing to call yourselves what you want. But it is another thing to impose yourselves on others, killing them.

That's where I don't agree with you. Hindutva is another form of Nazism , because by their own stated aims and mantras they want to make whole of India as a Hindu state.

I have just prove from their own census of 2011 last full census in India. 45% of the population is not Hindu.
What they want is to covert the 45% by force or kill them.
You think there is no problem for Pakistan in it!! All humanity should have problems with it.
This going to be worse than Nazi Germany, mark my words, if these killer and terrorists not stopped now. Humanity is going to regret it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

USA says "In God we Trust" ; not a Christian God. Any politician in India can declare his faith. And this stupidity Hindutva brigade will end sooner rather than later. 5-7 more years.

But at least they deserve a chance.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This thread looks like a mine field.
Hey you don't have to wait much, after seeing the recent incidents it's only a matter of time before the 'added' secular in India disappears through another constitutional amendment. Besides, I also think Congress will split into possibly two groups Congress-S aka Sonia Group and Congress-B aka BJP group which is nothing surprising given their history.

Step right in.

Roll about if you want.

But at least they deserve a chance.

They don't. When they got a chance, they unleashed a tidal wave of violence.

 

[fitpOsitive]

To be honest, I couldn't careless what they call themselves, or anyone wants to call anything for themselves.
But their is a caveat in it. It is one thing to call yourselves what you want. But it is another thing to impose yourselves on others, killing them.

That's where I don't agree with you. Hindutva is another form of Nazism , because by their own stated aims and mantras they want to make whole of India as a Hindu state.

I have just prove from their own census of 2011 last full census in India. 45% of the population is not Hindu.
What they want is to covert the 45% by force or kill them.
You think there is no problem for Pakistan in it!! All humanity should have problems with it.
This going to be worse than Nazi Germany, mark my words, if these killer and terrorists not stopped now. Humanity is going to regret it.

See, I understand these things deeper than anyone else. I let's not speculate in advance about things. I really want to see, how people of India will feel when there will a hindutva system in India.
If it failed, it will be failed for ever. And if it survived, then we will be proven wrong.

Step right in.

Roll about if you want.



They don't. When they got a chance, they unleashed a tidal wave of violence.

That's by brother, an speculation.

 

[xeuss]

I understand many things, but just because someone intends something, I can not deny their basic rights.

I am sure you are trying to be logical here, but please, think for a second.

Does a regime that has openly advocated for the genocide of Muslims, deserve to be allowed the "right to commit genocide"?

Frankly, I am shocked that you are even contemplating such ideas.

This is like telling a person who has threatened to kill, you have the right to kill, because it is his "basic right"

 

[El Sidd]

See, in whole of this platform, only you cought me there.

You give off the vibes.

 

[Jackdaws]

But at least they deserve a chance.

Who?

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.
At the time of partition, muslims were 24% of the total population, yet they demanded a separate country. My forefathers supported that idea, I also stick to it.
However, Hindus were 85 percent, and even today, they are 80% in India. And yet they are not allowed to declare India as a Hindu country.

My question is why not?

If USA can write : In god(christian god) we trust, why can't a Hindu do the same? If top leadership in USA and Germany and even in Russia today declares themselves Christians, Pakistan and Iran can use the name Islamic republic, why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic?

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

Individual thoughts please.
@Joe Shearer dont kill me for my thoughts, but I really think that Hindus are victim here.
@Nilgiri @pothead @Soumitra @jamahir

This is the problem with Hinduism. Hinduism itself is more secular than secularism. This is why, India can't be a so called "Hindu rastra". It's a fraud.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Who?

Hindutvadi advocates.

This is the problem with Hinduism. Hinduism itself is more secular than secularism. This is why, India can't be a so called "Hindu rastra". It's a fraud.

Fraud at this scale is not possible.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

And sense of country being a home country.


Yes, but Hindutva concept is not yet completely applied, yes?

What is Hindutva concept? Don't get it.
Hindutva has no commandments and rules particularly.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

This is the problem with Hinduism. Hinduism itself is more secular than secularism. This is why, India can't be a so called "Hindu rastra". It's a fraud.

You are contradicting your own statement, if Hindu-ism is secular than why it can't be called a Hindu Rashtra.

The thing is India is secular 'cause it has a secular constitution, Hinduism or for that matter any religion cannot be secular.

Secularism is not anti-religion, it is more about equality of all religions and with equal freedom to follow them.