Imran Khan likely to visit Bangladesh in May

[VikingRaider]

Nobody fucks up their country more than the Pakistani military, no offense

Actually the opposite is the truth. Apart from 1971 incident, actually Pakistan armed forces is responsible for unite the nation. Pakistan armed forces is strongly preserving the sovereignty of Pakistan. Deep state is predominant in Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

 

[SIPRA]

....... Deep state is predominant in Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

I didn't know about BD. Can you elaborate a little, merely, for my information?

 

[bluesky]

Pakistan will not get anything if it goes either. The only countries that can infulence situation of Kashmir dispute are US, China and to some extent EU.

Please wait for the Messiah to arrive to solve the Kashmir issue. The USA, China or Russia are not in a hurry to heed to any country's bickering over an issue that can be put aside temporarily for the sake of the poor people in that country.

China has an issue of its own with India over Arunachal. But, unlike the Pakistanis, the Chinese leaders are pragmatic, they are not playing internal politics over the issue and not wasting billions of dollars to take back Arunachal. China is exporting goods worth more than $60 billion of dollars per year to India, what Pakistan is doing?

Gain economic strength and Kashmir will come to Pakistan. By seeing the poor standard of living of the Pakistanis what makes you guys think that the Kashmiris are waiting eagerly to join you? They enjoy better lives now.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Actually the opposite is the truth. Apart from 1971 incident, actually Pakistan armed forces is responsible for unite the nation. Pakistan armed forces is strongly preserving the sovereignty of Pakistan. Deep state is predominant in Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

Well taliban is Pakistan military creation, so is the drone strike that their civilians endured, let’s not forget the multiple wars that resulted in stalemate and drained precious resources

 

[VikingRaider]

I didn't know about BD. Can you elaborate a little, merely, for my information?

It's actually clear brother and I can't provide evidences though . Just look at the 15 February 1996 election. It was one party election too and Khaleda Zia survived few days.

On the other hand in 5 January 2014 election sheikh Hasina not only survived but she is also dominating ruthlessly. She is also doing good job no doubt. But Hussein Muhammad Ershad also did great job in his 9 years reign. So actually what was the reason of his downfall? Thick headed people believe that it's brave Bengali who started movement against autocratic Ershad and established democracy!

So what is the real reason that sheikh Hasina survived and Ershad didn't?Simply Ershad lost the support of deep state of Bangladesh.

Now many people will start questioning that why Ershad was taken down, he was former army chief. Well Parvez musharraf is another example like Hussein Muhammad Ershad, both were army chiefs of the two countries.

Tell me who was the main cause of the downfall of Hosni Mubarak? Is it the brave Egyptian or Egyptian deep state? And later who is responsible for the fall of moorsi? If the brave Egyptian people then why sisi abdel fatah is still ruling ? Simply deep state is supporting him.

Just a part of Egyptian army showed their support for the protesters against sisi just to make the deep state halal in western's eye.

In Bangladesh armed forces just do not interfere in politics directly and will never do. We are globally a neutral country in this region unlike Pakistan and Egypt who has direct enemy like Israel and India. So it's actually easy to control from behind without much show off.

However deep state is secretly active in West too, but they are advanced nation so they can hide it in another way but that's different argument!
@SIPRA

Well taliban is Pakistan military creation, so is the drone strike that their civilians endured, let’s not forget the multiple wars that resulted in stalemate and drained precious resources

It's not only Pakistan but America as well. Creation of taliban was necessary to destroy Soviet. Without religious sentiment and help of badr firishta in taliban war( actually CIA firishta in this case) it was not possible to break Soviet Union.

So it's clear that even NUKE is not enough to save your a.ss as Soviet already broken! Ideology is the greatest tool, but you have to learn how and when to use the tool properly.

@Michael Corleone

 

[Old School]

Actually the opposite is the truth. Apart from 1971 incident, actually Pakistan armed forces is responsible for unite the nation. Pakistan armed forces is strongly preserving the sovereignty of Pakistan. Deep state is predominant in Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

One specific thing about our armed forces in Pakistan is that we NEVER kill our own officers. Our soldiers are always respectful and loyal to their chief. That is why we never had mutinies in our barracks even though we took part in coups to overthrow civilian governments. All the military take overs were therefore led by the chiefs. I probably don't have to tell you what happens in BD military. Since 1971 , vast majority of BD military deaths were caused by their fellow soldiers. The most troubling elements are the mid rank officers in BD. They are the guys who masterminded all of your mutinies, killings and coups including that of infamous 1/11 which eventually brought Hasina to power.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

One specific thing about our armed forces in Pakistan is that we NEVER kill our own officers. Our soldiers are always loyal to their chief. That is why we never had mutinies in our barracks even though we took part in coups to overthrow civilian governments. All the military take overs were therefore led by the chiefs. I probably don't have to tell you what happens in BD military. Since 1971 , vast majority of BD military deaths were caused by their fellow soldiers. The most troubling elements are the mid rank officers in BD. They are the guys who masterminded all of your mutinies and coups including that of infamous 1/11 which eventually brought Hasina to power.

What about Zia ul Haq???

 

[Old School]

What about Zia ul Haq???

He was the COAS. The whole army was behind him when he ousted Bhutto.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

He was the COAS. The whole army was behind him when he ousted Bhutto.

What about the blast in plane in which he died???

 

[Old School]

What about the blast in plane in which he died???

You won't get much reliable info of this incident in open source. It is a very complex issue and you can not blame PAK army for this incident. They didn't do it.

 

[VikingRaider]

I probably don't have to tell you what happens in BD military. Since 1971 , vast majority of BD military deaths were caused by their fellow soldiers.

Actually Pakistan military had to deal with external enemies and Bangladesh military mostly deal with internal enemies.

Bangladesh armed forces is based on Pakistan armed forces. East Bengal regiment soldiers were PMA trained. But Indian show off of friendly nation never gave us rest. Tell me why Ziaur Rahman killed colonel Taher who was actually his saviour? Simply because colonel Taher demanded a military free from officers, so called communist army where common army personnel will exist and no officers.

But is it even imaginable in military command? Without leaders, superiors can army survive? No they can't, without chain of command army military will not survive and colonel Taher ( now AL favoring him only to show Ziaur Rahman as traitor) actually wanted to destroy Bangladesh armed forces by his so called peoples army.

So I believe he was actually raw agent who's agenda was to take over Bangladesh by dismantling Bangladesh army.

After the independence we had miles to go to establish a solid military force. Do you know why Bangladesh armed forces will never ever buy any military equipment from India? Because it will create another colonel Taher and gang who will work for other country and will try to establish F.king democracy of communist style inside Bangladesh armed forces.

After we travelled long way, our armed forces is very much mature, all officers are highly educated people, and know how to maintain everything.

 

[Max]

Please wait.

What your blabbering got to with my post. Do your always assume things and make scenarios in your tiny brain like little girls

 

[VikingRaider]

They are the guys who masterminded all of your mutinies, killings and coups including that of infamous 1/11 which eventually brought Hasina to power.

It's not infamous. I would say it was the oxygen of Bangladesh. When Khaleda Zia was gone from hand, became uncontrollable, considering herself as queen of Bangladesh and a god like figure, sheikh Hasina was the only alternative left for them, so that the ship can be appointed as Captain of the ship named Bangladesh that was already drowning.

The problem is people believe that Hasina is Indian dalal, but never try to understand that Hasina is nothing if she was not supported by internal power whom we call deep state. And deep state of Bangladesh is not India or raw, but it's the armed forces intelligence of Bangladesh. And people ( including me)are very fond of armed forces. I can sleep in peace, I can dream in peace, because I know I am safe because deep state is protecting us from hostile neighbors and it's agents.

 

[Old School]

It's not infamous. I would say it was the oxygen of Bangladesh. When Khaleda Zia was gone from hand, became uncontrollable, considering herself as queen of Bangladesh and a god like figure, sheikh Hasina was the only alternative left for them, so that the ship can be appointed as Captain of the ship named Bangladesh that was already drowning.

The problem is people believe that Hasina is Indian dalal, but never try to understand that Hasina is nothing if she was not supported by internal power whom we call deep state.

Your Pilkhana killing of 2009 was the result of infighting between two rival groups in the army but disinformation spread by DGFI made it look like a sepoy mutiny. Are you aware of it ?

 

[SD 10]

Please know that the Shah of Khwarezm (greater Persia/Iran) was defeated by the idolator Mongol Chenghiz Khan in 1219-1221 and Abbaside Caliph Al Musta'sim was defeated by the military of idolator Halaku Khan in only 11 days in 1258. Now, read how the valiant and brave Islamic Caliph was killed:

"The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. -----------. Most historians believe the Mongol and Muslim accounts that the caliph was rolled up in a rug and the Mongols rode their horses over him".

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, please know that no one from the sky came down to help out the Islamic Caliph. Mongols kept on winning against the Muslims because they had stronger armory, seize weapons, compound bows, as well as brave and valiant cavalry, and they believed in the systematic planning to the warfares. And, as usual, the Muslims believed in Jazba only.

If a war can be won only by deed of valiancy and bravery, then why an Islamic Caliph be killed under the pounding of horse hooves? I am not glorifying the Mongols but I criticize those who live in the first few years of past Muslim (or Arab?) victories. And I dare to criticize them who would not learn lessons from history.

Muslims should wake up and buildup their technology and economy first, based on which stronger weapons can be built. Not going through this painful process, but by adhering to the wrong concept of simple valiancy and bravery, the Muslim countries remain at the lowest rung of the ladder.

I cited only two very sad historical accounts. There are a hundred others.

@OsmanAli98 , @Atlas, @Homo Sapiens, @UKBengali

No man you misunderstood me! what i meant was you need bravery and adaptation to your times. Early Muslims demonstrated their ability to adapt in order to overcome much bigger adverseries.