Imran Khan likely to visit Bangladesh in May

[Yankee-stani]

You been watching too much Hollywood propaganda, I suggest you talk about issues you are familiar with rather than regurgitate Western and Indian propaganda.



So Taliban outspent US/NATO in Afghanistan? I doubt it.

Money is only one factor of many.

You are comparing apples and oranges the two conflicts the Soviet-Afghan war and the American involvement in Afghanistan are like day and night, The Soviets intentions in 1979 was for a "friendly" regime on its former Southern Border, also China which was Pakistan's ally that time had long running conflict with the Soviets and in 1979 was when detente with US and China was complete when Deng Xiaoping finally assumed more power in the CCP. The Soviets wanted to leave rapidly but they got bogged down cause no 1 the PDPA their client was not trustworthy their own militia sided with the Muj caches of Soviet weapons went to the muj via the PDPA again you can buy a Afghan but not trust one thats why they lost the muj could have easily crushed lets get away from this thekadar mentality oh we broke the USSR because the holy muj again my opinions on the muj is mixed but the Soviets made the huge mistake in going into that sand pit s..thole and should have stayed out.The American dont want to leave stay cause they dont want the Russians,the Chinese or the Iranians to have footprint in the Eurasian region Pakistan is also not trusted by Washington as Pakistan has long sought to expand and gain allies in Eurasia as well why you think their paired up with the Indians, America is leaving not because they want to they are leaving because the "Afghans" they rented have been sold to the Iranians,to the Russians to the Chinese and Pakistanis I wont be suprised New Delhi is trying to curry up as well again Pakistanis and PDFERS need to be careful and not have rose tinted glasses of the Taliban tho I nominally support them for geo political reasons the Afghans can be rented and not be trusted @Old School

 

[bluesky]

You are highly mistaken. Valour and bravery has no substitute.

Please know that the Shah of Khwarezm (greater Persia/Iran) was defeated by the idolator Mongol Chenghiz Khan in 1219-1221 and Abbaside Caliph Al Musta'sim was defeated by the military of idolator Halaku Khan in only 11 days in 1258. Now, read how the valiant and brave Islamic Caliph was killed:

"The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. -----------. Most historians believe the Mongol and Muslim accounts that the caliph was rolled up in a rug and the Mongols rode their horses over him".

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, please know that no one from the sky came down to help out the Islamic Caliph. Mongols kept on winning against the Muslims because they had stronger armory, seize weapons, compound bows, as well as brave and valiant cavalry, and they believed in the systematic planning to the warfares. And, as usual, the Muslims believed in Jazba only.

If a war can be won only by deed of valiancy and bravery, then why an Islamic Caliph be killed under the pounding of horse hooves? I am not glorifying the Mongols but I criticize those who live in the first few years of past Muslim (or Arab?) victories. And I dare to criticize them who would not learn lessons from history.

Muslims should wake up and buildup their technology and economy first, based on which stronger weapons can be built. Not going through this painful process, but by adhering to the wrong concept of simple valiancy and bravery, the Muslim countries remain at the lowest rung of the ladder.

I cited only two very sad historical accounts. There are a hundred others.

@OsmanAli98 , @Atlas, @Homo Sapiens, @UKBengali

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, please know that no one from the sky came down to help out the Islamic Caliph. Mongols kept on winning against the Muslims because they had stronger armory, seize weapons, compound bows, as well as brave and valiant cavalry, and they believed in the systematic planning to the warfares.

Allah swt sent Berke Khan and Altan Orda, Mamelook, and Turks to teach Mongols an apt lesson. Yes, they came from the sky and the sky fell on the heads of Mongols Il Khans. The order was given by Allah swt when Mongols were at their most vicious under Hulaku Khan, who found earnest allies among Crusaders due in part to his Nestorian Christian mother. Great men like Ibn Taymiyya and other scholars rallied Muslims against the enemy.

And, as usual, the Muslims believed in Jazba only.

You and @OsmanAli98 are confused at my post, I never said it was the most important factor, but modern conflicts are different than past ones, it takes heart to be a guerilla.

Faith to your cause and firm belief in victory turns ordinary soldiers into something greater.

Ideological conviction of the Afghans for victory and their continued patience was greater than occupation troops, hence their loss. Also the methodology of the Taliban is one which has been tried and tested in Afghanistan by Mujahideen and Hikmatyar.

 

[VikingRaider]

Please know that the Shah of Khwarezm (greater Persia/Iran) was defeated by the idolator Mongol Chenghiz Khan in 1219-1221 and Abbaside Caliph Al Musta'sim was defeated by the military of idolator Halaku Khan in only 11 days in 1258. Now, read how the valiant and brave Islamic Caliph was killed:

"The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. -----------. Most historians believe the Mongol and Muslim accounts that the caliph was rolled up in a rug and the Mongols rode their horses over him".

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, please know that no one from the sky came down to help out the Islamic Caliph. Mongols kept on winning against the Muslims because they had stronger armory, seize weapons, compound bows, as well as brave and valiant cavalry, and they believed in the systematic planning to the warfares. And, as usual, the Muslims believed in Jazba only.

If a war can be won only by deed of valiancy and bravery, then why an Islamic Caliph be killed under the pounding of horse hooves? I am not glorifying the Mongols but I criticize those who live in the first few years of past Muslim (or Arab?) victories. And I dare to criticize them who would not learn lessons from history.

Muslims should wake up and buildup their technology and economy first, based on which stronger weapons can be built. Not going through this painful process, but by adhering to the wrong concept of simple valiancy and bravery, the Muslim countries remain at the lowest rung of the ladder.

I cited only two very sad historical accounts. There are a hundred others.

@OsmanAli98 , @Atlas, @Homo Sapiens, @UKBengali

The reality is today's wars are not fought with sword & shield, spears or bow and arrows. In this modern era you can't even expose your army on open field. If you do so, all personnel will be dead if enemy have the first chance to open fire.

And also I will not talk about the battle of Hazrat Muhammad ( pbuh) because he was holy man, messenger sent by Allah. We believe that in battle of badr firishtas came to help ( although it's a part of faith only) , but look at the battle of Ohud.

Allah wanted to teach Muslims that in every battle ( apart from badr) Allah is not going to send firishta to help you. This is the material world and Allah has sent you to take examination. So if you can't be realistic Allah will not save you.

In battle of Uhud, Muslim archer army violated the order of their leader and faced the consequence. Muslims almost won the battle and lost due to their disobedience.

Look at the battle of trench. If Allah sent direct help why Rasulullah ( pbuh) needed to dig the trench to prevent the kafirs?

So in the battle of Uhud, where Hazrat Muhammad ( pbuh) didn't get any divine help, so I am unable to understand that why other Muslim rulers will get the direct help from Allah? I truly don't understand.

Islam is now infested with mullahs and they are declaring themselves as sole agent of Allah.

And another story of later umayad conquest of Spain.
Why the 1 lakh ( or more) Spanish army lost the battle? Because most of European soldiers were just peasants with minimal train of fighting where umayiad army was professional soldiers with far superior training. That's the reason they won.

Again in every battle Muslims won our Muslim brothers love to believe that they got direct help from Allah. So when Muslims lost did Allah curse them?

Only in the battle of badr the divine help came ( it's the part of Islamic faith so I can't deny it) , but not in other battles, even not during the period of Rasulullah (pbuh) , and Ohud is the clear example of it.

So if you want to survive, you have to struggle. Allah doesn't help them who doesn't try to help themselves. Allah doesn't help them who violate the command of their military leader in battle field ( from the battle of Uhud) .

Life is hard, Allah had been trying to teach it from the battle of Ohud but lots of Muslims aren't ready to accept the reality.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Again in every battle Muslims won our Muslim brothers love to believe that they got direct help from Allah. So when Muslims lost did Allah curse them?

All battles of Peygambar Rasool Pak SAWS were divinely ordained and hence they are termed Ghazawa. When Muslims lost, it was the lack of following Rasool SAWS that led to defeat. That also was the will of Khuda/ Parve digar swt.

If we suffer some kind of defeat or loss, the first thing we should look for the shortage is in ourselves.

There are many parables from the Muslim golden age, but one such one was in Andalusia (Muslim spain) when our armies began losing wars, so the commanders checked if any Sunnah was not being followed. They found soldiers were not using miswak, so they furnished the soldiers with it during the battle. When Muslims faced the enemy, they had miswak in one hand and sword in the left. The enemy ran away thinking Muslims will eat them.

A modern example was that Mujahideen in Afghanistan did see Angel's on horseback fight with them. When frightened Russians were captured in one battle, they asked them where their stables were. Mujahideen in the group did not have any horses. The Russians said who were those white-clothed men that when we fired our guns, moved so quickly that we could not see them move, they dodged our bullets, and stabbed us with spears and cut us with swords.

Also I don't know if you are familiar but some foreign soldiers report seeing strange things even today in Afghanistan attacking them. There are some videos on it in the internet.

Because of your previous posts on this forum, I don't want to have a back and forth with you on this thread, as it will lead nowhere.

I just wanted to clarify some points.

Assalam alaikum.

 

[VikingRaider]

All battles of Peygambar Rasool Pak SAWS were divinely ordained and hence they are termed Ghazawa. When Muslims lost, it was the lack of following Rasool SAWS that led to defeat. That also was the will of Khuda/ Parve digar swt.

Lets not talk about the battles of Rasulullah ( pbuh). In Uhud Allah of course taught that Muslims must be organized, otherwise no help will come. But let's talk about the later days battles when Rasulullah ( pbuh) was not alive.

If we suffer some kind of defeat or loss, the first thing we should look for the shortage is in ourselves.

Yes exactly I wanted to say that. War always won by strategy and not with divine help ( apart from the battles of Rasulullah ( pbuh) ) , divine help will only come when you will make strategy as any age demands.

Today's wars are mostly fought by military intelligence networks, not direct warfare. We should be used to this strategy.

Also I don't know if you are familiar but some foreign soldiers report seeing strange things even today in Afghanistan attacking them. There are some videos on it in the internet.

I am aware of this, I read a Bengali book name, " Afghanistane ami badorer firishta dekhechi", meaning is, "I saw firishta of badr in Afghanistan" . I do not believe in such claim. I believe that it's an illusion created by America since Afghan war was actually USA - Soviet war.

So USA just used the sentiment of innocent Muslims and made them believe that they were firishta. I strongly believe that they were CIA agents.

Assalam alaikum.

Wa alaikumus Salam.

 

[Michael Corleone]

You been watching too much Hollywood propaganda, I suggest you talk about issues you are familiar with rather than regurgitate Western and Indian propaganda

I don’t watch movies, rather avoid talking to people whose views don’t align with yours.

Pakistani ISI and military have done more for Islam than the rest of the 50 or so Muslim countries throughout the world. Similarly we do have a genuine grassroots Islamic movement in Afghanistan that has expelled every foreign invader.

Ofc, took billions in aid from the US in exchange to train talibans during Cold War and then the same people became Pakistan’s problem. Nobody fucks up their country more than the Pakistani military, no offense

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don’t watch movies, rather avoid talking to people whose views don’t align with yours.

When you sit, talk to, and host Afghans who witnessed the last 30-50 years of their country go by, come back here and give us your input.

I will wait for you.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Hasina's BD blame Pakistan every time it bumps into a wall or trips on the street, but you are predicting an alliance. LOL.

Not with Hasina at the help, BD has to de-toxify itself of hatred for Pakistan. That is the only future.

I agree with the other countries you mentioned, Turkey and Malaysia are taking practical steps with Pakistan, Indonesia's government is about to change to a supportive one.

Didn’t predict anything rather highlighted the need for an alliance. Read twice before replying, it just shows your ignorance.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ofc, took billions in aid from the US in exchange to train talibans during Cold War and then the same people became Pakistan’s problem. Nobody fucks up their country more than the Pakistani military, no offense

Visit the Pakistan section sometime, you might learn something.

 

[Michael Corleone]

When you sit, talk to, and host Afghans who witnessed the last 30-50 years of their country go by, come back here and give us your input.

Their problem, nobody told them to swing the sword of Islam, oppress their women or get involved in criminal activities. Their current democratic govt and the people are enough to see their outlook of the world. Tent dwellers, that’s all

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Their problem, nobody told them to swing the sword of Islam, oppress their women or get involved in criminal activities. Their current democratic govt and the people are enough to see their outlook of the world. Tent dwellers, that’s all

I don't like to go back and forth needlessly, so I will end this here.

I for one love and respect Afghans, they have suffered alot, faced the full might of three super powers and come out on top.

They are our brothers and sisters, and have my full support.

 

[Max]

Someone control this Niazi guy, he will go and ridicule our elders on the Graves of worst then pigs traitors to be politically correct..

Pakistan has more to loose if Imran Khan does not come. This is not the other way around. After OIC this is the biggest Muslim platform.

Pakistan will not get anything if it goes either. The only countries that can infulence situation of Kashmir dispute are US, China and to some extent EU.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Someone control this Niazi guy, he will go and ridicule our elders on the Graves of worst then pigs traitors to be politically correct..



Pakistan will not get anything if it goes either. The only countries that can infulence situation of Kashmir dispute are US, China and to some extent EU.

Bangladesh can leverage PM IK visit to get more cosy with India, India will be perturbed a bit by PM IK or Pak getting close to BD and end up giving more importance or an offer which BD cannot resist...

Many countries do this kind of strategic maneuvers. Afghanistan do this the most, many others, BD is playing smart here.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I rather learn from unbiased historians

Visit the Pakistan section sometime, you might learn something.

come out on top

Pfft ok