Imran Khan likely to visit Bangladesh in May

[bluesky]

No man you misunderstood me! what i meant was you need bravery and adaptation to your times. Early Muslims demonstrated their ability to adapt in order to overcome much bigger adverseries.

I understand your points. Thanks. However, we must understand that the days of military conquests are over and have been replaced with technologies that produce consumer goods in factories where millions work hard, get wages, spend money to support a good life and send their kids to schools.

Unfortunately, Muslim countries deal more with theology and less with the construction of their respective nations, good planning, and hard work. As a result, they are engulfed in infighting within a country as well as fighting other Muslim countries. The nations are not built and people live in poverty who then struggle to go to Christian countries to get jobs for a living.

 

[VikingRaider]

Your Pilkhana killing of 2009 was the result of infighting between two rival groups in the army but disinformation spread by DGFI made it look like a sepoy mutiny. Are you aware of it ?

No comment.

 

[SIPRA]

It's actually clear brother and I can't provide evidences though . Just look at the 15 February 1996 election. It was one party election too and Khaleda Zia survived few days.

On the other hand in 5 January 2014 election sheikh Hasina not only survived but she is also dominating ruthlessly. She is also doing good job no doubt. But Hussein Muhammad Ershad also did great job I bis 9 years reign. So actually what was the reason of his downfall? Thick headed people believe that it's brave Bengali who started movement against autocratic Ershad and established democracy!

So what is the real reason that sheikh Hasina survived and Ershad didn't?Simply Ershad lost the support of deep state of Bangladesh.

Now many people will start questioning that why Ershad was taken down, he was former army chief. Well Parvez musharraf is another example like Hussein Muhammad Ershad, both were army chiefs of the two countries.

Tell me who was the main cause of the downfall of Hosni Mubarak? Is it the brave Egyptian or Egyptian deep state? And later who is responsible for the fall of moorsi? If the brave Egyptian people then why sisi abdel fatah is still ruling ? Simply deep state is supporting him.

Just a part of Egyptian army showed their support for the protesters against sisi just to make the deep state halal in western's eye.

In Bangladesh armed forces just do not interfere in politics directly and will never do. We are globally a neutral country in this region unlike Pakistan and Egypt who has direct enemy like Israel and India. So it's actually easy to control from behind without much show off.

However deep state is secretly active in West too, but they are advanced nation so they can hide it in another way but that's different argument!
@SIPRA

Thanks for a detailed reply.

 

[Michael Corleone]

It's not only Pakistan but America as well. Creation of taliban was necessary to destroy Soviet. Without religious sentiment and help of badr firishta in taliban war( actually CIA firishta in this case) it was not possible to break Soviet Union.

So it's clear that even NUKE is not enough to save your a.ss as Soviet already broken! Ideology is the greatest tool, but you have to learn how and when to use the tool properly.

Soviet economy was in stagnation since the 60s it would have broken up one way or the other... I get why America trained taliban but they turned to be a bigger problem for everyone and now even America can’t control the fire they helped spread.
Ideology is a tool to control ofc, but it isn’t something US believed in

Your Pilkhana killing of 2009 was the result of infighting between two rival groups in the army but disinformation spread by DGFI made it look like a sepoy mutiny. Are you aware of it ?

You have some proof to back this up?

 

[VikingRaider]

You won't get much reliable info of this incident in open source. It is a very complex issue and you can not blame PAK army for this incident. They didn't do it.

Indeed no one can blame Pakistan army if they left no evidence. However if you do something and left evidences so that others can blame you, what is the point of deep state then?

 

[Old School]

No comment.

Indeed no one can blame Pakistan army if they left no evidence. However if you do something and left evidences so that others can blame you, what is the point of deep state then?

This specific one was done by someone else. If I say it, people will ask for evidence as they always do.

You have some proof to back this up?

Sure. Silence does not imply lack of evidence.

 

[VikingRaider]

This specific one was done by someone else. If I say it, people will ask for evidence as they always do.

That could be possible too. Actually when we have deep state system, nothing can be said only with analysis. So it's better we hope for the best and prepare for the worst in our life.

 

[Old School]

That could be possible too. Actually when we have deep state system, nothing can be said only with analysis. So it's better we hope for the best and prepare for the worst in our life.

A lack of whistleblower culture always helps culprits. People in south Asia are not that brave as they claim to be. These braveries are national myths. If they were truly that brave, we would have witnessed a lot of whistleblowers. These cowards will die in silence instead.

 

[VikingRaider]

A lack of whistleblower culture always helps culprits. People in south Asia are not that brave as they claim to be. These braveries are national myths. If they were truly that brave, we would have witnessed a lot of whistleblowers. These cowards will die in silence instead.

The opposite could be true too. South Asian people are greedy and dishonest. So if you have whistleblowers your enemies maybe get more beneficial. Look at these states full of uncle Toms. If really someone blow the cover of deep state, enemy can use it's strong media tool and will be difficult to handle. After all Muslim states have lots of enemies. So as long as some of us don't become as powerfull as west ( no idea if it will ever be possible) , I think we should accept the reality.

 

[Old School]

The opposite could be true too. South Asian people are greedy and dishonest. So if you have whistleblowers your enemies maybe get more beneficial. Look at these states full of uncle Toms. If really someone blow the cover of deep state, enemy can use it's strong media tool and will be difficult to handle. After all Muslim states have lots of enemies. So as long as some of us don't become as powerfull as west ( no idea if it will ever be possible) , I think we should accept the reality.

West has evolved into an advanced form of imperialism which replaced geographical conquests like those existed in the 18th century and before. They do not have to be physically present in a country to control it. These days their physical presence is only visible in so called failed states. A county becomes effectively a failed state when it fails to get integrated into global capital system and tries to undermine it.
Classical Islamic powers couldn't adapt to that evolutionary pressure and they went extinct. Social evolution also follows natural selection process which can not be artificially influenced.

 

[VikingRaider]

West has evolved into an advanced form of imperialism which replaced geographical conquests like those existed in the 18th century and before. They do not have to be physically present in a country to control it. These days their physical presence is only visible in so called failed states. A county becomes effectively a failed state when it fails to get integrated into global capital system and tries to undermine it.

Agree.

Classical Islamic powers couldn't adapt to that evolutionary pressure and they went extinct. Social evolution also follows natural selection process which can not be artificially influenced.

The problem is modern days Muslim countries are heavily influenced by theocracy. Too much restrictions by mullahs in our life and you can't deny them overtly everytime. Because you will be declared kafir and that will seriously harm your social status, you will be charged by govt for hurting sentiment of people and the consequence will be state abuse.

The mullahs restrictions are actually extreme in women only and they are against job of women. Since mullahs always remain erected with or without reason, so they believe that a woman without niqab will create fitna in society, mistakenly never consider the orders from our scriptures that ordered both man and woman to lower their eyes and not to look badly to a woman. For their selfishness most of Muslim women are deprived from a job in Muslim majority countries.

You can't dominate the world if you consider half of your population as the burden of your society. If men and women can work together, surely their is no reason to spread sexual immorality if both sides have dignity.

So in order to make Muslim society powerful again, we must give equal treatment to our women and stop imposing extreme restrictions.

These filthy mullahs never consider a thing that even women Sahabas engaged in Jihad, were they wearing niqab in battle field? So if not ten why such damn things? Are present days woman superior to Sahabas ( nauzubillah) that they need to follow such restrictions that the early day women didn't face?

Hopefully in Bangladesh women enjoy much freedom and the situation is improving. I believe it's one of the major reason for the current developing economy of Bangladesh.

I would say wipe off theocratic society and you will be elevated. We have a mullah named Abdur Rajjak bin yousuf who always say that women are created to fulfill her husband's needs only, as if women are only piece of meat.

Ideology is a tool to control ofc, but it isn’t something US believed i

If you observe carefully you will see that Pakistan is successfully doing the job that America supposed to do. I also think that our deep state will also control mullahs (look at jamatis who created massacre from 2013-2015 are now tamed).

It's only our armed forces who can make mullahs and atheist drink water from the same pot.

It was only Egyptian govt who successfully removed moorsi who wanted to change everything overnight.

 

[SIPRA]

The problem is modern days Muslim countries are heavily influenced by theocracy. Too much restrictions by mullahs in our life and you can't deny them overtly everytime. Because you will be declared kafir and that will seriously harm your social status, you will be charged by govt for hurting sentiment of people and the consequence will be state abuse.

The mullahs restrictions are actually extreme in women only and they are against job of women. Since mullahs always remain erected with or without reason, so they believe that a woman without niqab will create fitna in society, mistakenly never consider the orders from our scriptures that ordered both man and woman to lower their eyes and not to look badly to a woman. For their selfishness most of Muslim women are deprived from a job in Muslim majority countries.

You can't dominate the world if you consider half of your population as the burden of your society. If men and women can work together, surely their is no reason to spread sexual immorality if both sides have dignity.

So in order to make Muslim society powerful again, we must give equal treatment to our women and stop imposing extreme restrictions.

These filthy mullahs never consider a thing that women even Sahabas engaged in Jihad, were they wearing niqab in battle field? So if not ten why such damn things? Are present days woman superior to Sahabas ( nauzubillah) that they need to follow such restrictions that the early day women didn't face?

Hopefully in Bangladesh women enjoy much freedom and the situation is improving. I believe it's one of the major reason for the current developing economy of Bangladesh.

I would say wipe off theocratic society and you will be elevated. We have a mullah named Abdur Rajjak bin yousuf who always say that women are created to fulfill her husband's needs only, as if women are only piece of meat.

"Deen e mullah fe sibilillah fasaad"
(Iqbal)

 

[Michael Corleone]

Sure. Silence does not imply lack of evidence.

Well I would like to read your papers because I’m curious on the subject

If you observe carefully you will see that Pakistan is successfully doing the job that America supposed to do. I also think that our deep state will also control mullahs (look at jamatis who created massacre from 2013-2015) are now tamed.

It's only our armed forces who can make mullahs and atheist drink water from the same pot.

It was only Egyptian govt who successfully removed moorsi who wanted to change everything overnight

True. These ja at is would have made the country unstable if our deep state couldn’t control them, and the atheist would have put more fuel in the fire to prove their useless point. A good balance has been reached

 

[VikingRaider]

Well I would like to read your papers because I’m curious on the subject

I always remain silent in such controversial cases so I replied with ' no comments' to him. Because every papers and opinions can not be authentic necessarily since everything is based on assumption and analysis. All I want a safe and protected Bangladesh and I don't want to know the cost. We saw that Bangladesh is improving day by day comparing 2001-2006 dark regime and I am fine with it.

Something in this world are better left forgotten and unknown and this is one of such cases I believe. Too much bravery can be harmful for evolution, fear can be useful.

But one thing I am oversure and that is raw or India never had any hold on our armed forces authority and will never have any hold or influence. I can bet my life on it. Because if India had any influence on our armed forces, we would not remain sovereign.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Do not please say or do something that India enjoys. Indians have already been worshipping in their Mandirs to pray against IK visit. No more expansion of fault line between the two countries.


Come on!! Even Haseena will not dare to say a no. She is now surrounded by the Indian CAA issue. Anyway, our people will love to see IK in BD.

All is welcomed if BD agrees to join hands with Pak to cause some pain in Gangus A$$e$, just like Gangus did to us using Afghans.
Would be wise to tag team and open eastern front for india. More attention india pays on East is better for us.