Imran Khan cancels India trip over Rushdie

[z9-ec]

Can you name which person is a convicted criminal right now?

Oh come on.. You've got to be kidding me. How can you defend these extremist groups? no I don't know any names. Google is your friend. Not long ago you used to call them terrorists and now you're defending them?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

how many times must it be said...this wasnt a snub against bharat it was a snub against rushdie


Asim Aqil already outlined and justified the reasons WHY effectively

 

[Awesome]

Oh come on.. You've got to be kidding me. How can you defend these extremist groups? no I don't know any names. Google is your friend. Not long ago you used to call them terrorists and now you're defending them?

So basically you can't name any? Google? Ok lets try that together. I will get back to you with a detailed response on this. Wouldn't hurt to validate/invalidate your theory of convicted criminals - afterall convictions would mean they should be in jail right now, so I'm curious what you mean by convicted criminals.

even zardari is not convicted... what is your point ?

And Zardari is president - so there is nothing illegal about Zardari either.

 

[sachin@india]

And Zardari is president - so there is nothing illegal about Zardari either.

In that why you people call him corrupt ? even you dare that he can compete with Sonia Gandhi.....

We all know who is what … your argument is hiding behind the technicalities which has no ethical base.

And mind you .... there is no case pending against Rushdie also.

 

[Awesome]

In that why you people call him corrupt ? even you dare that he can compete with Sonia Gandhi.....

We all know who is what … your argument is hiding behind the technicalities which has no ethical base.

And mind you .... there is no case pending against Rushdie also.

Fortunately being against Rushdie can be for personal reasons, being against Imran too can be for personal reasons, but 'your' support or opposition counts for just one vote.

Zardari is corrupt is an opinion, not a conviction and I for one will choose to not vote for Zardari. If I had proof, I would try him in a court of law.

If opinions were enough for convictions, we would be assassinating each other. My ethical base is in the support for the law, are you asking me that we throw trials out the window thereby equating your position with those of say terrorists who take the law in their own hands and kill for ideology?

 

[sachin@india]

Fortunately being against Rushdie can be for personal reasons, being against Imran too can be for personal reasons, but 'your' support or opposition counts for just one vote.

Zardari is corrupt is an opinion, not a conviction and I for one will choose to not vote for Zardari. If I had proof, I would try him in a court of law.

If opinions were enough for convictions, we would be assassinating each other. My ethical base is in the support for the law, are you asking me that we throw trials out the window thereby equating your position with those of say terrorists who take the law in their own hands and kill for ideology?

How have you build your opinion against zaradari .. he is not even convicted and he is a president of Pakistan ?

your defense against the dreaded terrorists whom organizations have been banned by UN is weak.

my dear friend.... anything is legal doesn't mean it is ethically or morally correct.

Pakistan's courts have not prosecuted even a single terrorist (I may be wrong) in past decade doesn't mean there was no terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

 

[Awesome]

Here is my research on some of them:

Some of them are senators or ticket holders for upcoming elections. They are doctors and professors as well.

There are Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in this party!

Sami ul Haq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hafiz Muhammad Saeed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liaqat Baloch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MMA - Dr. Sahibzada Abu-al-Khair Muhammad Zubair's Profile

Listen to Sardari ji of Difa -e- Pakistan talking about Pakistan:

Sardar Shaam Singh, Talking about Pakistan - BZU Multan

Quoting Iqbal man!

Ramesh Lal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hindu member of Difa -e- Pakistan.

Truth is, Difa -e- Pakistan is a slogan. Defence of Pakistan who won't join under the same banner? Defence Council stuff happened when the US attacked Pakistan, people in the country got together and decided we will support the defence of Pakistan.

Some of them were cool people, some of them were idiots as well. Nobody was married to each other's each and every ideology hence every one of them have separate ideas about Pakistan - just so happens everyone wanted to defend Pakistan. It is less of a thing than what the MMA was and MMA was just BS.

 

[sachin@india]

Here is my research on some of them:

Some of them are senators or ticket holders for upcoming elections. They are doctors and professors as well.

There are Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in this party!

Sami ul Haq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hafiz Muhammad Saeed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liaqat Baloch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MMA - Dr. Sahibzada Abu-al-Khair Muhammad Zubair's Profile

Listen to Sardari ji of Difa -e- Pakistan talking about Pakistan:

Sardar Shaam Singh, Talking about Pakistan - BZU Multan

Quoting Iqbal man!

Ramesh Lal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hindu member of Difa -e- Pakistan.

Truth is, Difa -e- Pakistan is a slogan. Defence of Pakistan who won't join under the same banner? Defence Council stuff happened when the US attacked Pakistan, people in the country got together and decided we will support the defence of Pakistan.

Some of them were cool people, some of them were idiots as well. Nobody was married to each other's each and every ideology hence every one of them have separate ideas about Pakistan - just so happens everyone wanted to defend Pakistan. It is less of a thing than what the MMA was and MMA was just BS.

Let me get a straight answer from you...you said some are cool people and some are idiots.... do you consider any of them terrorist?

 

[Awesome]

How have you build your opinion against zaradari .. he is not even convicted and he is a president of Pakistan ?

your defense against the dreaded terrorists whom organizations have been banned by UN is weak.

my dear friend.... anything is legal doesn't mean it is ethically or morally correct.

Pakistan's courts have not prosecuted even a single terrorist (I may be wrong) in past decade doesn't mean there was no terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

I am casting a vote against Zardari, which is my personal choice, you're calling someone a convicted criminal/murderer, I'm questioning how did you call someone a criminal or a convict? I can vote against him just because I don't like the way he smiles (like a donkey).

You're right some leaders in the Difa -e- Council and their respective organization may not be ethical or moral - but Difa -e- Pakistan Council is about defending Pakistan from physical attack by the United States army. If the US invades Pakistan I will be there defending Pakistan, chances are every man or woman on this forum would readily pick up a gun to shoot down all invaders of Pakistan.

At that point do you think there will be any argument like "First tell Hafiz Saeed to stop defending Pakistan then I will start defending Pakistan". Defending Pakistan is different, governing Pakistan is different.

Pakistan's courts have not prosecuted even a single terrorist (I may be wrong) in past decade doesn't mean there was no terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

Yes you are wrong. On the top of my head Azam Tariq, Omar Sheikh, those guys who tried to kill Musharraf, those guys who attacked the Lahore police academy, some guys who attacked the Sri Lankan team...

Just because you're ignorant about all the facts, don't start making them up.

My advice to you and the rest, before you proceed, please do better homework. Don't mean to sound arrogant, but these were some weak arguments for argument sake.

 

[Awesome]

Let me get a straight answer from you...you said some are cool people and some are idiots.... do you consider any of them terrorist?

I don't know most of them in detail except Hafiz Saeed and after carefully studying I don't like him and would leave the determination of his criminal status only to the Judiciary and the judiciary tells me he is not, therefore I say he is not.

Moreover I agree with them since he says that when Musharraf outlawed LeT in 2002 under the anti-Terrorism act of 1997, he did not part-take in any of its criminal activities. Nobody has been able to prove otherwise till date. There is a huge CIA team stationed in India to help Indian authorities dig up evidence against him from both sides of the border with the teams in Pakistan dedicated to Hafiz Saeed.

If they come up with concrete evidence I will gladly revise this statement.

I didn't like Raymond Davis either and wanted him jailed for his crime. Unfortunately he was pardoned in accordance to the law, and if I can be asked to live with that, I can surely grant the same privileges to fellow Pakistanis

 

[sachin@india]

I am casting a vote against Zardari, which is my personal choice, you're calling someone a convicted criminal/murderer, I'm questioning how did you call someone a criminal or a convict? I can vote against him just because I don't like the way he smiles (like a donkey).

You're right some leaders in the Difa -e- Council and their respective organization may not be ethical or moral - but Difa -e- Pakistan Council is about defending Pakistan from physical attack by the United States army. If the US invades Pakistan I will be there defending Pakistan, chances are every man or woman on this forum would readily pick up a gun to shoot down all invaders of Pakistan.

At that point do you think there will be any argument like "First tell Hafiz Saeed to stop defending Pakistan then I will start defending Pakistan". Defending Pakistan is different, governing Pakistan is different.


Yes you are wrong. On the top of my head Azam Tariq, Omar Sheikh, those guys who tried to kill Musharraf, those guys who attacked the Lahore police academy, some guys who attacked the Sri Lankan team...

Just because you're ignorant about all the facts, don't start making them up.

My advice to you and the rest, before you proceed, please do better homework. Don't mean to sound arrogant, but these were some weak arguments for argument sake.

I'm not interested in Pakistan's politics... I just want a simple direct answer. I know you are good with playing with words so I won't go into details with you.

But let me ask you a another direct question that what Sin Rushdie has committed which is even bigger than the organizers of Difa-e-Pakistan ? If he can send his representative over there where they openly talk about wiping out India, Israel, USA form the map of the world and don't even say a word against TTP and infact talk about the talibanization of Pakistan .... Isn't he double faced ?

 

[Awesome]

I'm not interested in Pakistan's politics... I just want a simple direct answer. I know you are good with playing with words so I won't go into details with you.

But let me ask you a another direct question that what Sin Rushdie has committed which is even bigger than the organizers of Difa-e-Pakistan ? If he can send his representative over there where they openly talk about wiping out India, Israel, USA form the map of the world and don't even say a word against TTP and infact talk about the talibanization of Pakistan .... Isn't he double faced ?

I don't consider fatwas of murder against Rushdie to be of any worth and they were mainly given by central authorities in Iran nor were the murder attempts anything sensible.

Difa -e- Pakistan Council has not committed a sin by itself saying defend Pakistan is not a sin. He wants to see India wiped off the face of the Earth, big deal, how has he acted upon it? At max you have him for hate speech which isn't such a big crime in Pakistan. He'll be off with a fine I think.

The Pakistan penal code gives cover to statements meant to incite:

Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860)

Explanation: It does not amount to an offence within the meaning of this section, when the person making, publishing or circulating any such statement, rumour or report has reasonable grounds for believing that such statement, rumour or report is true and makes, publishes or circulates it in good faith and without any such intent as aforesaid

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You can try him for this if you like and this is not terrorism by a long shot and at best at par with Rushdie's 'sin'. I'm not judging sins here, I'm talking about personal convictions obviously an insult to Islam would be more offensive to Imran Khan than an insult to India - on a personal level.

 

[sachin@india]

I don't consider fatwas of murder against Rushdie to be of any worth and they were mainly given by central authorities in Iran nor were the murder attempts anything sensible.

Difa -e- Pakistan Council has not committed a sin by itself saying defend Pakistan is not a sin. He wants to see India wiped off the face of the Earth, big deal, how has he acted upon it? At max you have him for hate speech which isn't such a big crime in Pakistan. He'll be off with a fine I think.

The Pakistan penal code gives cover to statements meant to incite:

Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860)

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You can try him for this if you like and this is not terrorism by a long shot and at best at par with Rushdie's 'sin'. I'm not judging sins here, I'm talking about personal convictions obviously an insult to Islam would be more offensive to Imran Khan than an insult to India - on a personal level.

That tell you the whole story about his mental bankruptcy … he doesn't even know who is insulting Islam .

 

[Awesome]

That tell you the whole story about his mental bankruptcy … he doesn't even know who is insulting Islam .

Everyone has a right to practice their faith as they want to. As long as it is not imposed upon one another. Your interpretation of insult is perhaps in the looooooong run. Offense is usually not taken by "Ok the flowchart of Hafiz Saeed's actions causes harm to Islam and makes it look bad 10 years down the lane, so I will take offense to his practices right now".

If I cursed at you right now, you would take offense at me right now. If I said to you, I am thinking something about you, guess what it is? There is a possibility I'm cursing you or praising you. You will only find out once I do it, and take offense at that point in time.

You have to be really naive or unfamiliar with common human responses to equate a direct insult to an interpreted insult and expect the same reactions for both. Again you have arguments for argument sakes. This time please don't use the excuse of not having an argument that I'm good with "playing with words". They are words, free for everyone's use, not a play thing.

 

[sachin@india]

Everyone has a right to practice their faith as they want to. As long as it is not imposed upon one another. Your interpretation of insult is perhaps in the looooooong run. Offense is usually not taken by "Ok the flowchart of Hafiz Saeed's actions causes harm to Islam and makes it look bad 10 years down the lane, so I will take offense to his practices right now".

If I cursed at you right now, you would take offense at me right now. If I said to you, I am thinking something about you, guess what it is? There is a possibility I'm cursing you or praising you. You will only find out once I do it, and take offense at that point in time.

You have to be really naive or unfamiliar with common human responses to equate a direct insult to an interpreted insult and expect the same reactions for both. Again you have arguments for argument sakes. This time please don't use the excuse of not having an argument that I'm good with "playing with words". They are words, free for everyone's use, not a play thing.

The thing you are trying to hide is a open secret so don't act like a naïve, we are mature people. World knows who is harming islam and who are responsible for Islam phobia. This people burn the flag of other nation so bluntly and when some one even want to 'draw' something they issue fatwa against him/her. As I said you, you are good with words but sorry to say it doesn't hold substance.

Now, In India we see Imran khan as a potential Prime minister of Pakistan. tomorrow he will not go to UN annual meet because Israelis PM is there and by 'logic' they are responsible for the killing of muslims , so can't share the conference with him ? He needs to be politically mature.