Importance of Karachi and Karachiites for Pakistan

[Proudpakistaniguy]

1) Yes, there has always been a sense of superiority in the minds of the Urdu Speakers. But that comes not from any racial or cultural superiority but from the self-awareness that comes from being 'educated' and more liberated. I have lived in the American South for more than half my life (I am no 'ABCD' BTW!) and I have seen the people from 'Up North' and 'Out West' having similar sense of superiority over the Southerners; movies like 'Deliverance' re-enforce such stereotypes.

Educated or non educated , liberal or narrow mind bigot people exist in every ethnicity. I have found arrogance and self pride in educated class as well whom we call as " Parey likhey jahil" If some areas in Pakistan are backward then its because they have not got all those opportunities of education and interacting with others. I belong to army family and have spent some time in almost every province of Pakistan including tribal area of kyber agency . I did my schooling from army Public school Malir cant Karachi and then went to Peshawar and did college education there . I had opportunity to interact with all ethnicities and I had made friends everywhere because never stereotyping about Pashtuns, Punjabi, sindhi etc

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Did I name Punjab anywhere?


People voted them in because of atrocities like Qasba colony massacre and pakka qila massacre(and none of the perpetrators were punished, ever, by the state, dr qadir magsi was acquitted by the courts). without those mass murders, mqm would have had no support. people voted in thugs to fight other thugs simple as that. In mqm, muhajirs found people willing to hit back when things like this happened.

Divide has already been created in Bhutto's time, look up linguistic riots of the 70s before mqm was founded. all done bhutto, who divided the province along ethnic lines. and that was the first time that sindhis started blaming muhajirs for being underdeveloped, and calling them land grabbers, and what not. mqm came wayyyy after all of that.

Both (sindhi nationalists and mqm) were sides of the same coin, born out of fear and hatred, and obviously did what thugs would do.


PTI won more seats from Karachi than MQM/PPP. and yes, your people in Karachi are very much into nationalism. Taali do haathon say bajti hai aik say nahi.


were pashtoons able to deal with ttp? no, they were not. not until the army moved in. same case in Karachi. but of course you are too blind to see that.

A few things.
People voted in racist thugs to deal with an unpleasant court decision, because it didnt make sense to challenge the courts decision. Thus there was always an underlying racist attitude.

Did the immigrants blend into the province? Did you lot learn sindhi and follow their customs and traditions? No, because they had a racist attitude towards the people of sindh and they still do.

Every action has an equal reaction, that is why the pakhtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic becuse the immigrants there attack them for the smallest thing. The immigrants have also racist attitudes towards them too, calling them names and saying they are stupid.

"Were pakhtoons able to deal with ttp" so you are comparing MQM with TTP, in that case. Shut down Karachi kick everyone out of their homes and raze all the city, uprooting MQM. The immigrants will never let that happen, why? Cause they will see it as am attack on mini India

 

[PakSword]

I lived in Punjab for 7 years, KPK for three so I know exactly who stands where. I was first called an Indian in Punjab- not KPK.
Nor did I absolve the Karachi migrants from racism- which is why we banned members who used to partake in such from Karachi.. find out who waffen SAs was.

Truth is that racists are part of every ethnicity in Pakistan. Just look at this thread.. you will find Karachiittes, Punjabis, and others having extreme hate towards each other..

So sad we have become 19 nations within Pakistan.. How can the country survive when we have such a problem?

 

[VCheng]

It is exactly what i am afraid of. If we can’t control it here, where the majority are somewhat educated, how can we expect to control the real thing. Sad state of affairs.

We do like to pretend things are going well, and can only get better, for both the forum and the country.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I am a proud Pukhtoon and a proud 3rd gen Karachite. Yes Karachi might have its problems, but its still the land that alot of people from other cities come to in search of employment. Karachi is also the place that has the most Pukhtoons in the world, around 25% of the city's population is Pukhtoon. Calling it mini India is equivalent to taking sides of Altaf traitor and who ever takes a traitor's side is also a traitor.

And all traitors deserve

 

[Psychic]

As per his political biography (Friends not Masters), Ayub Khan was a Tareen Pashtun whose family migrated in the eighteenth century from Pishin (now in Balochistan) which was originally a part of Afghan kingdom, to Hazara. He was a descendant of Sardar Muhammad Khan Tareen, the local ruler who defeated Hari Singh Nalva (but was later captured by Maharaja Rajneet Singh and killed by Nalva) in 1822. However, the Tareens of Hazara do speak Hindko now... Ayub's son Gohar Ayub is fluent in Hindko and Pashto.

So, he was ethnically Pashtun and culturally Hindkowan/Hazarvi.

Thanks for the correction

 

[Psychic]

I was first called an Indian in Punjab- not KPK.

We call muhajirs as "hindustanis" if thats what you are referring to----that is not a slur to describe a traitor. That refers to the origin of the person.

He was convinced that Pakistan would be broken up no matter what.. Pukhtoonistan- Sindhustra- Balochistan and so on. That plan will never end, nor will the number of Pakistanis willing to support it.

hearing this since 71.

and we are well aware of the caliber of those agency-men as well. Predicted that Iraq will make a mince meat out of the US to gems like Taliban are history. One even declared that South-American druglords are behind 9/11.

Nor did I absolve the Karachi migrants from racism- which is why we banned members who used to partake in such from Karachi.. find out who waffen SAs was.

your posts in this thread implied otherwise. that was the reason of my objection

 

[Psychic]

As I said, we cannot get along as a people it seems anymore.

The majority doesn't care about your race and are busy with rozi roti.

The minority hell bent upon creating divisions holds a sway unfortunately e.g the majority baloch won't have problem with anyone, but scumbags like Akhtar Mengal and Achakzai are in our assemblies. Then these haramkhors by the virtue of their status and the media coverage the get, incite hatred with their speeches (many similar examples from other countries can be given). Based on false stereotypes like " why do we've to justify ourselves to the center" centre, which according to them is Punjab even if a Sindhi or a Muhajir orders operation in their territory.

And in any case, merely "not getting along" doesn't justify treason against the state. The blacks in US and other minorities also don't get along very well with the white conservatives---means they should divide their country like a cake? These are problems of every multiracial country. By and large, the commoners are not as racists as some of our neighboring and non-neighboring countries if the surveys are to be believed.


Open rebellion and treason resulting from demonization of a single race based on false stereotypes is cannot be trivialized by simply stating that "we dont get along"---
PTM blames "punjabi kaliyas", PPP/JSQM blame Punjabis, BNP blames Punjabis ---it's not simply "we dont get along"
in reality, apart from Nawaz and Zia, every other ruler has been non Punjabi. That concerted effort against big brother by minority elements from other provinces is a part of a well thought out campaign and propaganda given one recognizes that fact that Punjabis didn't and don't dominate in every field. That too after 18th amendment.

State has always been soft towards traitors starting from Agartla conspirators to PTM. "Genuine grievances" which usually are a by-product of one's own kalay kartoot doesn't justify treason.

 

[S.Y.A]

A few things.
People voted in racist thugs to deal with an unpleasant court decision, because it didnt make sense to challenge the courts decision. Thus there was always an underlying racist attitude.

Did the immigrants blend into the province? Did you lot learn sindhi and follow their customs and traditions? No, because they had a racist attitude towards the people of sindh and they still do.

Every action has an equal reaction, that is why the pakhtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic becuse the immigrants there attack them for the smallest thing. The immigrants have also racist attitudes towards them too, calling them names and saying they are stupid.

"Were pakhtoons able to deal with ttp" so you are comparing MQM with TTP, in that case. Shut down Karachi kick everyone out of their homes and raze all the city, uprooting MQM. The immigrants will never let that happen, why? Cause they will see it as am attack on mini India

There it is. the racism is finally coming out. so sticking to one's culture and language is racism? if that is the case then all sindhis, balochis and pashtoons are racists, and are not Pakistanis. did the pashtoons learn to follow punjabi customs, seeing as they are in the majority, if not then it is racism (according to your logic).

Pashtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic because their minds are full of hatred like yours. they were not attacked, they were the ones doing the attacking. even today, a person belonging to other ethnicity can not run a business(can not even set up a stall) in pashtoon dominated areas in Karachi(not just urdu speaking), that speaks a lot about their nationalism. They were the ones committing murders in 1965 in ayub khan's victory parade, and they were the ones committing murders in Qasba colony, and they were the ones committing murders and destroying businesses in Shah Faisal colony long before MQM existed or had any power. please do not lie on a public forum. at least have the decency to accept terrorism for what it is.

Pashtoons supported Pashtoonistan, and break up of Pakistan long before MQM even existed, but ANP is alive and well today, and definitely not nationalists, and now rearing its head as PTM, again a band of thugs.

Sindhis started demanding Sindhudesh (and understandably so) after the break up of one unit, when certain rights were not granted, long before MQM existed. JSQM and JSMM are still active. PPP thug party still rules Sindh.

Balochis were rebelling and seeking breakup of Pakistan, again, long before MQM existed.

But.... only Urdu speaking Karachiites are racists and nationalists and supporters of thugs.

Did the immigrants blend into the province? Did you lot learn sindhi and follow their customs and traditions? No, because they had a racist attitude towards the people of sindh and they still do.

Pashtoons in Karachi, Punjab and Balochistan havent blended in either. who is the racist there?

 

[Imad.Khan]

Pashtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic because their minds are full of hatred like yours. they were not attacked, they were the ones doing the attacking. even today, a person belonging to other ethnicity can not run a business(can not even set up a stall) in pashtoon dominated areas in Karachi(not just urdu speaking), that speaks a lot about their nationalism. They were the ones committing murders in 1965 in ayub khan's victory parade, and they were the ones committing murders in Qasba colony, and they were the ones committing murders and destroying businesses in Shah Faisal colony long before MQM existed or had any power. please do not lie on a public forum. at least have the decency to accept terrorism for what it is.

Pashtoons supported Pashtoonistan, and break up of Pakistan long before MQM even existed, but ANP is alive and well today, and definitely not nationalists, and now rearing its head as PTM, again a band of thugs.

WTF is this, Pukhoons lashkars in FATA actually fought against the Afghans who thought that they will rise up against Pakistan in the name of Pashtoonistan. This was in the late 1950s. go read up on history before spreading BS. I am a Pukhtoon from Karachi, never supported Pashtoonistan, unless it meant of getting the lands that are currently under Afghanistan.

You mentioned Qasba colony, but you forgot to mention about the first clash which started it all. It happened in Orangi town near Banaras chowk, where Pukhtoons were attacked. This incident happened more than a 1 year and half earlier than Qasba colony incident. You can try and fool a Pukhtoon that is not from Karachi, but not me.

As for ANP, its almost wiped out and in a few years it will cease to exist.

Pashtoons in Karachi, Punjab and Balochistan havent blended in either. who is the racist there?

I am a perfect example that negates your comment

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

There it is. the racism is finally coming out. so sticking to one's culture and language is racism? if that is the case then all sindhis, balochis and pashtoons are racists, and are not Pakistanis. did the pashtoons learn to follow punjabi customs, seeing as they are in the majority, if not then it is racism (according to your logic).

Pashtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic because their minds are full of hatred like yours. they were not attacked, they were the ones doing the attacking. even today, a person belonging to other ethnicity can not run a business(can not even set up a stall) in pashtoon dominated areas in Karachi(not just urdu speaking), that speaks a lot about their nationalism. They were the ones committing murders in 1965 in ayub khan's victory parade, and they were the ones committing murders in Qasba colony, and they were the ones committing murders and destroying businesses in Shah Faisal colony long before MQM existed or had any power. please do not lie on a public forum. at least have the decency to accept terrorism for what it is.

Pashtoons supported Pashtoonistan, and break up of Pakistan long before MQM even existed, but ANP is alive and well today, and definitely not nationalists, and now rearing its head as PTM, again a band of thugs.

Sindhis started demanding Sindhudesh (and understandably so) after the break up of one unit, when certain rights were not granted, long before MQM existed. JSQM and JSMM are still active. PPP thug party still rules Sindh.

Balochis were rebelling and seeking breakup of Pakistan, again, long before MQM existed.

But.... only Urdu speaking Karachiites are racists and nationalists and supporters of thugs.


Pashtoons in Karachi, Punjab and Balochistan havent blended in either. who is the racist there?

Karachi is part of Sindh and speaking sindhi should be encouraged

WTF is this, Pukhoons lashkars in FATA actually fought against the Afghans who thought that they will rise up against Pakistan in the name of Pashtoonistan. This was in the late 1950s. go read up on history before spreading BS. I am a Pukhtoon from Karachi, never supported Pashtoonistan, unless it meant of getting the lands that are currently under Afghanistan.

You mentioned Qasba colony, but you forgot to mention about the first clash which started it all. It happened in Orangi town near Banaras chowk, where Pukhtoons were attacked. This incident happened more than a 1 year and half earlier than Qasba colony incident. You can try and fool a Pukhtoon that is not from Karachi, but not me.

As for ANP, its almost wiped out and in a few years it will cease to exist.



I am a perfect example that negates your comment

They are racist and when you speak the truth they blame you for racism

There it is. the racism is finally coming out. so sticking to one's culture and language is racism? if that is the case then all sindhis, balochis and pashtoons are racists, and are not Pakistanis. did the pashtoons learn to follow punjabi customs, seeing as they are in the majority, if not then it is racism (according to your logic).

Pashtoons of Karachi are so nationalistic because their minds are full of hatred like yours. they were not attacked, they were the ones doing the attacking. even today, a person belonging to other ethnicity can not run a business(can not even set up a stall) in pashtoon dominated areas in Karachi(not just urdu speaking), that speaks a lot about their nationalism. They were the ones committing murders in 1965 in ayub khan's victory parade, and they were the ones committing murders in Qasba colony, and they were the ones committing murders and destroying businesses in Shah Faisal colony long before MQM existed or had any power. please do not lie on a public forum. at least have the decency to accept terrorism for what it is.

Pashtoons supported Pashtoonistan, and break up of Pakistan long before MQM even existed, but ANP is alive and well today, and definitely not nationalists, and now rearing its head as PTM, again a band of thugs.

Sindhis started demanding Sindhudesh (and understandably so) after the break up of one unit, when certain rights were not granted, long before MQM existed. JSQM and JSMM are still active. PPP thug party still rules Sindh.

Balochis were rebelling and seeking breakup of Pakistan, again, long before MQM existed.

But.... only Urdu speaking Karachiites are racists and nationalists and supporters of thugs.


Pashtoons in Karachi, Punjab and Balochistan havent blended in either. who is the racist there?

Why in the hell would pakhtoons need to learn punjabi? We live in lands that are majority pakhtoons and may I remind you that we are the sons of this soil. Unlike the immigrants that came afterwards. It's the immigrants that need to blend into the society or cultures of where they live, in Pakistan. Not the sons of the soil.

 

[S.Y.A]

I am a perfect example that negates your comment

Exception, not the rule.

Why in the hell would pakhtoons need to learn punjabi? We live in lands that are majority pakhtoons and may I remind you that we are the sons of this soil. Unlike the immigrants that came afterwards. It's the immigrants that need to blend into the society or cultures of where they live, in Pakistan. Not the sons of the soil.

you are not son of soils in punjab, balochistan or sindh, there you are just another immigrant. if you live in those provinces then you need to blend in, otherwise you are just a racist with a superiority complex.

but you forgot to mention about the first clash which started it all. It happened in Orangi town near Banaras chowk, where Pukhtoons were attacked.

The pashtoons who were grabbing lands of urdu speaking and punjabis, backed by drug lords and klashinkovs armed men, and forcing their way in? quote the entire history not bits and pieces.

WTF is this, Pukhoons lashkars in FATA actually fought against the Afghans who thought that they will rise up against Pakistan in the name of Pashtoonistan. This was in the late 1950s. go read up on history before spreading BS. I am a Pukhtoon from Karachi, never supported Pashtoonistan, unless it meant of getting the lands that are currently under Afghanistan.

You mentioned Qasba colony, but you forgot to mention about the first clash which started it all. It happened in Orangi town near Banaras chowk, where Pukhtoons were attacked. This incident happened more than a 1 year and half earlier than Qasba colony incident. You can try and fool a Pukhtoon that is not from Karachi, but not me.

As for ANP, its almost wiped out and in a few years it will cease to exist.



I am a perfect example that negates your comment

you can try and fool people form other parts but not one who knows. and what about pashtoons killing muhajirs and looting and vandalizing their properties in January 1965's victory march? dont be dishonest when you quote history.

I have condemned MQM, and called them terrorists and thugs. but clearly, there are racists here who refuse to accept the crimes committed their people. this thread simply lays bare the racist with a superiority complex hiding underneath.

being son of the soil makes you superior somehow? but investing in the country, and playing a role in industrializing it is leeching the country and grabbing its resources.

I will repeat: taali dono haatho say bajti hai, aik haath say nahi. there have been excesses on both sides.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Exception, not the rule.


you are not son of soils in punjab, balochistan or sindh, there you are just another immigrant. if you live in those provinces then you need to blend in, otherwise you are just a racist with a superiority complex.


The pashtoons who were grabbing lands of urdu speaking and punjabis, backed by drug lords and klashinkovs armed men, and forcing their way in? quote the entire history not bits and pieces.


you can try and fool people form other parts but not one who knows. and what about pashtoons killing muhajirs and looting and vandalizing their properties in January 1965's victory march? dont be dishonest when you quote history.

I have condemned MQM, and called them terrorists and thugs. but clearly, there are racists here who refuse to accept the crimes committed their people. this thread simply lays bare the racist with a superiority complex hiding underneath.

being son of the soil makes you superior somehow? but investing in the country, and playing a role in industrializing it is leeching the country and grabbing its resources.

I will repeat: taali dono haatho say bajti hai, aik haath say nahi. there have been excesses on both sides.

What the actual fu$k are you on about? You have finally lost it.

@Dubious @waz shut this down. No place in Pakistan is more or less important. They are all the same and no place should be given any sort of special treatment.

 

[Winchester]

Lge rahu shabash

 

[S.Y.A]

What the actual fu$k are you on about? You have finally lost it.

@Dubious @waz shut this down. No place in Pakistan is more or less important. They are all the same and no place should be given any sort of special treatment.

I have lost it? you are the one who is immersed in superiority complex, and looking down upon others. claiming that you are superior because you are a "son of the soil".

What the actual fu$k are you on about? You have finally lost it.

@Dubious @waz shut this down. No place in Pakistan is more or less important. They are all the same and no place should be given any sort of special treatment.

and you are the one who cannot accept the simple fact that some people among pashtoons were involved in hate crimes. and you are the one who started blaming all urdu speaking people for all the evils in Karachi. The mods should indeed shut this down.