If you say these FACTS; you become SECTARIAN on PDF....We need some clear rules on this

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Guys, You decide who is loyal to Pakistan and who is loyal to Iran.

This Pakistani brother of yours will keep defending Pakistan from these Iranian stooges.

In Past sectarian tension has also complicated relations. In the 1980s, several radical groups began a systematic assault on Shi'i symbols and mosques in Pakistan. Pakistani Shi'a, with Iranian assistance, responded by forming their own militias. The continued targeting by Sunni terrorists of Pakistani Shi'a remains an Iranian concern. This Shi'i-Sunni strife in Pakistan has provoked Iran to provide clandestine support to its co-religionists there.

However, Pakistan and Iran have worked to improve security cooperation. the two states established the Pakistan-Iran Joint Ministerial Commission on Security to enhance cooperation on security issues such as terrorism, drug trafficking, and sectarian violence. Top Iranian political and intelligence officials regularly engage their Pakistani counterparts, . Kulbshan Yadev and his network is the example caught by us on Iranian tip. We can't ignore this Iran such great help to us.
in a recent development, there is a fundamental change in both Tehran and Islamabad, Afghanistan will be coming crossroad, for sure not proxies. Regardless of who runs Afghanistan, Tehran's and Islamabad's conflicting interests over Afghanistan have played a pivotal role in the formation of their foreign policies toward each other. I think we resolved this issue over the table with Iran. Right now Iran needs our help to fight against COVID-19 and some economical relief to stand on feet and we shouldn't compare Iran and China's responses over Paksiatni Traveller. Iran doesn't have the infrastructure and money to deal with its COVID-19 foreign Patients. It is Iran best interest to send them back and focus their limited fund only on their nation. But This type of Iran engagement does not necessarily equate to trust because we are also seeing IRAN pushing his Afghan refugees on our border, the question is why?

There is no justification to what Iran has done to Pakistan...

Why go to 1980s.....Why go to 1979? what happened in 1979? Iranians exported their sectarian literature to Pakistan, manipulating Shias here..

No nation can allow foreign power to brainwash her citizens....

So, Pakistan should support Iranian Sunnis by your logic? They are also suppressed by Iranian sectarian regime...

 

[Safriz]

To my understanding the biggest killers of Pakistanis, the most anti state and those who rebelled against the state and also sold their souls to foreign powers were Sunni & Arab sponsored.

Wouldn't you agree, lal masjid, SSP, Lashkare e jhangvi, and many many more are Sunnis and have strong links to Arab financiers

Sunni yes, Arab sponsored never had a proof, and none of them ever spoke as Highly of Saudi King or Imam e Kaba .
I dont recall any statement or speech by Baitulla Mehsud, Mangal Bagh Afridi or Mulla Radio , praising Saudi King?
Plus if these were "Sunni / Wahabi" terrorists, why do you think they blew up more "Sunni/Wahabi" mosques then Shia mosques?

But every Imam Bargah does just that. Praise , Iran, Iranian people, Iranian political leadership and Khomeini. Their Imams are Iran qualified, pay regular visits to Iran and many or most of these places are funded by Iran.
So yes there is big problem here.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

To my understanding the biggest killers of Pakistanis, the most anti state and those who rebelled against the state and also sold their souls to foreign powers were Sunni & Arab sponsored.

Wouldn't you agree, lal masjid, SSP, Lashkare e jhangvi, and many many more are Sunnis and have strong links to Arab financiers.

Even local political parties sponsor them, such as pmln and so on.

Who keeps and eye on them, ah but they are the tool of those in corridoors of power, so see no evil hear no evil.

Come on there must be a little bit of honesty in you.

All Saudis sponsored terrorists are taken care of...TTP is past now

Time to go after Iranian stooges and terrorists.

 

[BHarwana]

No, you aren't sectarian. The members who support Iran have their own points in their favor which I would love to see. Till now, I haven't seen any.

I have a couple of Pakistani Shia friends (one in PN) . Have spent my childhood with them, even they call Iran a bullshit country.

I can prove he is sectarian but to do that I would have to hurt Pakistan Saudi relations and prove that the fact that 70% of Coronavirus patients are not from Iran and how 95% of terrorism in Pakistan did not came from Iran but other countries. The question here is if I do all this counter argument who do I favor. I only favor the agenda of people who want to devide Muslims so it is better to stay silent then counter this info.

@PaklovesTurkiye is sectarian.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Into the Great Wide Open... underneath the Sky Blue... everyone dies in the end!

 

[Behram Khilji]

Sunni yes, Arab sponsored never had a proof, and none of them ever spoke as Highly of Saudi King or Imam e Kaba .
I dont recall any statement or speech by Baitulla Mehsud, Mangal Bagh Afridi or Mulla Radio , praising Saudi King?
Plus if these were "Sunni / Wahabi" terrorists, why do you think they blew up more "Sunni/Wahabi" mosques then Shia mosques?

Everybody know, no matter how hard you close your eyes and ears. Most of the finances for madrassahs religious political parties have been from Arabs and gullable Pakistanis themselves.

Ok let me tell you about these gullable Pakistanis abroad, most of their time is spent on fraud, whore houses, drugs & drink only problem with that is its against our religion, culture, norms so what now, Ahhhbi will wash my sins by donating to madrassahs and bearded man who is promising me heaven.

But they still wanna do all the above, so this money is another massive source for groups like ssp, lashkar e jhangvi, ttp, Al Qaeda , juif, and many more.

I don't know you tell me why Sunnis have killed most Pakistanis and rebelled against their own motherland?

We all need to self reflect, peace to the East is as much possible as Shaitan doing sajdah to Adam, let's not get surrounded, we need to look out for ourselves, we need to build, trust & cooperation with Iran & Aghanistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I will always call out Iran and her evil regime....

Then you become a troll. Iran’s failure in controlling the virus domestically as well as causing problems for other countries has been highlighted multiple times already. There is no need to throw a tantrum over it every single day and there is no need to try and paint it as a conspiracy by the Iranians or by some members of the PTI government. Both the latter two claims are unsubstantiated.

If there is new, credible information and not some other conspiracy theory promoted by people in the Pakistani media, then it’ll be allowed, but your broken record of stating the same thing again and again is not helpful.

As I have pointed out multiple times, the Pakistani focus should be on:

1. Controlling the spread of the virus currently
2. Putting in place measures to prevent a similar situation in the future, including negotiations with countries that have large numbers of Pakistanis as tourists or workers


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Neither does calling out the idiocy of our Zaireen brothers flocking to all parts of the country rather than staying quarantined doesn't makes us sectarian.

As long as you realize that the idiocy of not following quarantine measures isn’t just limited to Pakistani Zaireen or for that matter to just Pakistanis.

Let Me Tell You The Real Hypocricy Here.It Is Damn Ok To Use Wahabhi Salafi For Terrorists Groups But You Cannot Call Out Barelvis On The Issue Of Halala Inspite Of The Fact That They Are On The Forefront of This You Will Automatically Be Warned For Being "Sectarian"

No one should be making derogatory generalizations about Wahabis, Barelvis, Ismailis, Shia, Sunni, Hindu, Jews etc

Even some of Ahmedi people here try to spread their false agenda on this forum and if people try to tackle them they face harsh words

If you attack Ahmadi faith, that is no different from attacking any other faith such as Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, and it will not be allowed.

Stop engaging in religious discussions and there won’t be any issues.

even though mostly shia soldiers were sent to swat and terrorist captured were made to chant shia slogans,

That’s complete and utter BS.

This is precisely the kind of nonsense that WILL earn you warnings.

 

[The Eagle]

Wow. I salute to few gems that have everything to blame but their own intellectual capacity. As long as you aren't sectarian and not violating the rule, it's all good. But in other hand, if anyone feels insecure and not being paid enough attention, member do often take jibes at PDF or Mods to vent frustration.

No sectarian filth means no issue. It's really you guys make it filthy and inappropriate in the end. Blame yourself for misconduct and hateful remarks. Since when PDF asked anyone to be Shia or Sunni? Indeed, it's the lack of intellect within ourselves that can't discuss anything without hatred, personal attacks and such sectarian jibes.

There's difference between facts to be said and what not to do on Forum. There are certain rules set to maintain decorum and peaceful environment. I really hope that few of us can raise standard. Just don't use PDF for your advantage to weigh in your argument. It's just becoming too lame.

Infact, Iran did beyond our expectation and there are nut jobs more loyal to Iran, needed to be fixed to save Pakistan but will take time. However, in the meantime those with impatience syndrome, may need to stay away from topics as such for your own better health.

Please, PDF isn't our personal ground to settle issues as such. It is a place with rules in place to create productive, healthy, knowledge, informative and qualitative discussion while rising above standard approach, anger and knee-jerk reactions.