If India is the superpower in software why did it buy an Israeli spyware?

[Varunastra]

Yes, that is why I mentioned Zomato and Ola.



Yes, there are such Western companies here like those you mention and others like Honeywell and Robert Bosch but AFAIK the India-based or Indian engineers in them don't really code the entire picture but just parts and it seems they don't do a good job. From my Boeing link from above :






Well, yes there is CDAC which has produced BOSS Linux but I don't think they worked at kernel level.



So that is what should be built.



Agreed.



To be fair and AFAIK DRDO has produced crucial things like oxygen generators and self-heating food packets. I think it has also produced things for the LCA and ALH projects.

Always the hard truths @jamahir. Yes quality of our average Engineers needs to be improved I agree. I guess hire less and paying more is a correct step to produce better and more driven Engineers but government doesn't want such to happen, employment is needed. So the mass recruiters like HCL keep on hiring in mass with lower salaries. Even then though the top tech companies have some really fine Engineers. You wouldn't expect one person to be expert in the whole tech stack, nor are they required too, some just look into the media portion, some the file system, communication, scheduler etc. The ability to work on the kernel remains though regardless. Necessary steps towards creating a good tech base, I think it only gets better from here.

 

[Dungeness]

By software they mean call centers

I am sure those scammers with a funny accent call themselves "IT professional" as well.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Don't be blinded by your hatred.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/28/ind...panies-google-microsoft-amazon-in-top-10.html
A very small list of top tech companies with development centers in India. Think of any top tech company from apple, google, amazon, you'll most likely find a development office in India.

They serve as back offices...for low skilled work...yes the bldgs could be shiny and looks modern...

It's funny that, Indians are a huge percentage of IT industry, but their contribution to research and new ideas, is ZERO. India, never devised any new programming language, or any operating system, new architectural paradigms or algorithms. Indian IT industry is all about low-skilled service sector, BPO, back offices and a large pool of internet coolies.

BTW world IT industry is worth close to 4000 billion USD worldwide, India share is a good 200 billion USD, so not an IT super power as we tend to read the comments by Indians and that Indians make about 40% of Microsoft, and that US IT will collapse if not for Indians.

And that 40% of NASA are Indians...again fake news.

Lots of chest thumping, bragging is fed to India by the Indian English language media and poor Indians started to believe and brag about it.


Just check how many hundred links opens up if you type 'India pips China'...all fake news or skewed news if one dig down and read a few paras.

India pips China - Google Search

 

[newb3e]

they are call center cheap workers not software developers!

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Unfortunately Mr. Ashok Swain is correct. I think there are three types of software that those huge Indian IT companies work in :

1. E-retail apps like for the food delivery company Zomato or taxi booking company like Ola. But this expertise has come in handy to write software for maintaining and coordinating COVID information and records.

2. The banking software Finacle from the company Infosys and the financial accounting software Tally from the company Tally Solutions.

3. Writing subcontracted software for Western companies like HCL did for Boeing ( link ).

And within India there are crucial customers for locally written software such as for the space and military sector.

But yes, despite 160,000 computer engineers graduating from Indian colleges every year and this being true for at least the last twenty years which means that there are at least three million computer engineers in India, there is not a single operating system software within an Indian name. Unfortunate.

In 2010 the Indian military organization DRDO's chief declared that the org will devise a "futuristic" operating system software soon :

Now, eleven years on in 2021, DRDO still hasn't devised that operating system.

But neither has China.

@UDAYCAMPUS, please read the above.

Why doesn’t India have its own Silicon Valley?

The question Modi should ask himself is why India hasn't been able to replicate Silicon Valley’s top-end tech ecosystem.

www.dawn.com

 

[jamahir]

1. I will first point out that in the graph China is missing.

2. Though India has a huge share in software development and Canada not as much, it is two Canadians who wrote that wonderful RTOS ( real time operating system ) QNX which is even used in nuclear reactors.

3. Pakistan has a share in the chart for software development but again, no OS.

4. Some days ago I visited the website of an Eastern European company, whose name I don't remember, but who have written a RTOS.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

they are call center cheap workers not software developers!

Mostly into Business Process Outsourcing(BPO) and yes call centers too. As Jamahir has written some Finance related software developed there....but mostly it is about low skilled work.

 

[Varunastra]

They serve as back offices...for low skilled work...yes the bldgs could be shiny and looks modern...

It's funny that, Indians are a huge percentage of IT industry, but their contribution to research and new ideas, is ZERO. India, never devised any new programming language, or any operating system, new architectural paradigms or algorithms. Indian IT industry is all about low-skilled service sector, back offices and a large pool of internet coolies.

BTW world IT industry is worth close to 4000 billion USD worldwide, India share is a good 200 billion USD, so not an IT super power as we tend to read the comments by Indians and that Indians make about 40% of Microsoft, and that US IT will collapse if not for Indians.

And that 40% of NASA are Indians...

Lots of chest thumping, bragging is fed to India by the Indians English language media and poor Indians started to believe and brag about it.


Just check how many hundred links opens up if you type 'India pips China'...all fake news or skewed news if one did down and read a few paras.

India pips China - Google Search

You don't open huge development centers with awesome perks, stocks, salary for low skilled work. There is a difference between software/hardware engineer and support/customer service associate. Our IT scene is increasingly tilting more and more towards software engineering/development.
You'll find loads of Indian authors in Google scholar page pumping out cutting edge research. Just because the very best of research hasn't been achieved doesn't mean our IT or academic sector is trash, it's not binary here.

 

[jamahir]

You wouldn't expect one person to be expert in the whole tech stack, nor are they required too, some just look into the media portion, some the file system, communication, scheduler etc. The ability to work on the kernel remains though regardless.

Well, writing an OS doesn't take a huge number of people and huge amount of money. Some years ago I wrote a very simple OS that was inspired by the QNX microkernel style message passing inter-process mechanism and had timers and UNIX-style 'Signals' asynchronous communication, cooperative multi-tasking and five text-mode commands. No file system. The boot loader was written by a few engineering students I was acquainted with. ATM I am designing a better OS again based on microkernel architecture.

 

[Varunastra]

Well, writing an OS doesn't take a huge number of people and huge amount of money. Some years ago I wrote a very simple OS that was inspired by the QNX microkernel style message passing inter-process mechanism and had timers and UNIX-style 'Signals' asynchronous communication, cooperative multi-tasking and five text-mode commands. No file system. The boot loader was written by a few engineering students I was acquainted with. ATM I am designing a better OS again based on microkernel architecture.

Well then we Indians are in the right path

 

[Vapnope]

Who claimed to be software superpower now?

@UDAYCAMPUS I agree with what you have posted in this thread but are there purely Indian softwares that are being used world over?

 

[gulli]

Inida is only a super-power on Facebook.

Facebook is Indian creation..

 

[jamahir]

@UDAYCAMPUS I agree with what you have posted in this thread but are there purely Indian softwares that are being used world over?

I think Finacle and Tally that I mentioned in the previous page.

 

[Vapnope]

Facebook is Indian creation..

What? How?

 

[Varunastra]

Who claimed to be software superpower now?

@UDAYCAMPUS I agree with what you have posted in this thread but are there purely Indian softwares that are being used world over?

One that comes to mind instantly is postman used for api development and testing https://www.postman.com/
Used by many top tech companies in their development workflow. Indian owners founded in bangalore.