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If India is following Israeli model in Kashmir, Pakistan needs to follow the Iranian model

RIP Pajeet brain. Will implode when prompted to answer a simple question.



LOL I like how you ignored everything I said and just repeated what you said earlier, like the Hindu NPC you are. I stand by what I said.

RIP Pajeet brain. Will implode when prompted to answer a simple question.

Yaar, you are asking me to dig more on unhealthy issues. OK..

I will start from General musharraf..
How were you selected a murderer (as per Pakistani court) as a army chief and later President?

Ohh man, list will go on... Many examples are there from president to a normal spy people who worked in Pakistan.

LOL I like how you ignored everything I said and just repeated what you said earlier, like the Hindu NPC you are. I stand by what I said

Don't understand what u are trying to say but I stand on my words which I said.

you divided lot of families in parts due to your genocide in IOK,when they take revenge from INDIAN TERRORIST FORCES IN IOK THEN THEY WILL BECOME PAKISTANI TERRORIST WHAT A LAME AND LOSE JUSTIFICATION

Why before 1989, there were no terrorism?

Were Kashmiri happy with India because there was no issues for them?
 
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Yaar, you are asking me to dig more on unhealthy issues. OK..

Can you read? Did you skip those English classes in your shakha? I'm not asking you to dig on "unhealthy issues".

I'm asking you to answer this question:
How did a top Indian security official who served for decades become a terrorist suddenly? Please explain this to me without parroting something from your awful, lying media.

Don't understand what u are trying to say

You don't understand anything because you are not equipped with the knowledge or intelligence for this conversation. You didn't know that the 9/11 attackers were not Afghan Mujahideen fighters. You didn't know that the Afghan regime and their Soviet backers caused the most civilian casualties during the war. You're just basing your views on feelings and things Arnab Goswami said on the television.
 
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anybody can label as terrorists without any solid proofs in IOK

When somebody trying to hurts your country don't label as terrorist, you lost only few dozens life or may be few hundreds due these terrorist attacks but we lost 80000+ life due these terrorist attacks, nations could make mistakes in early part of their evolution, do you had any mistakes in your life???

Are you saying Pak proxies did not commit violent militant activities in IOK?

80000 loss is due to Pak obsession with IOK and becoming a pawn of superpowers. Even to this day most Pakistanis believe they will somehow get hold of IOK. Very sad really.
 
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Can you read? Did you skip those English classes in your shakha? I'm not asking you to dig on "unhealthy issues".

I'm asking you to answer this question:




You don't understand anything because you are not equipped with the knowledge or intelligence for this conversation. You didn't know that the 9/11 attackers were not Afghan Mujahideen fighters. You didn't know that the Afghan regime and their Soviet backers caused the most civilian casualties during the war. You're just basing your views on feelings and things Arnab Goswami said on the television.

Pls open a new thread or I will open a new thread then we will discuss...

I will give you the details with evidence...
 
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China may be silent but that is a strategic advantage for us. The less people know, the better. JF-17 is the living proof of what this can bring so it should not be underestimated. Israel has the F-35 but they didn't make it. Pakistan fully knows how to make every JF-17 and this is a strategic advantage that you cannot put a price on.
CAN YOU EXPECT THAT CHINA WILL GIVE US J-20 TECH AND LASER/RAIL GUN TECH TO PAKISTAN, I DON'T THINKS SO, LOOK jf-17 TECH IS LOW MEDIUM TECH FOR CHINA THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T INDUCT TO PLAAF
Artificial islands and aircraft carriers are things that people don't understand the value of until you have them. No country can challenge another bigger than themselves without the ability of power projection. Iran's ability to call the shots at its enemies from striking range is precisely because of its power projection ability across the entire Middle East.
AND PAKISTAN DON'T NEED POWER PROJECTION, OUR ENEMY IS IN OUR NEXT DOOR AND PAKISTAN HASN'T ANY GLOBAL OR REGIONAL AMBITION TO PROJECT POWER LIKE CHINA AND INDIA DOING (REGIONAL PWOER PROJECTION) CURRENTLY WITH WEEK ECONOMY HOW COULD WE MAINTAIN THESE ASSETS MAY BE AFTER 10 TO 15 YEAR NOW WE WILL THINK THESE KIND OF PROJECT WHEN OUR ECONOMY WILL BE BOOMING
Israeli West Bank scenario is not a different game from Pakistan, in fact that is literally the model India is following
IN YOUR POINT OF view YOU YES BUT MOST US WOULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU
 
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No, I'm not opening any thread.

I will open and tag you.... Give sometimes

Are you saying Pak proxies did not commit violent militant activities in IOK?

80000 loss is due to Pak obsession with IOK and becoming a pawn of superpowers. Even to this day most Pakistanis believe they will somehow get hold of IOK. Very sad really.

Even I! I can not believed that they still believe to get j&k from India...

Really, very sad!
 
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RIP Pajeet brain. Will implode when prompted to answer a simple question.

Yaar, you are asking me to dig more on unhealthy issues. OK..

I will start from General musharraf..
How were you selected a murderer (as per Pakistani court) as a army chief and later President?

Ohh man, list will go on... Many examples are there from president to a normal spy people who worked in Pakistan.

LOL I like how you ignored everything I said and just repeated what you said earlier, like the Hindu NPC you are. I stand by what I said

Don't understand what u are trying to say but I stand on my words which I said.



Why before 1989, there were no terrorism?

Were Kashmiri happy with India because there was no issues for them?
WHEN KAHMIRI HAPPY WITH INDIA?? THEIR STRUGGLE GOES BACK TO BOTH COUNTRIES INDEPENDENCE

Are you saying Pak proxies did not commit violent militant activities in IOK?

80000 loss is due to Pak obsession with IOK and becoming a pawn of superpowers. Even to this day most Pakistanis believe they will somehow get hold of IOK. Very sad really.
YOU HAVE NO SOLID PROOF THE PAKISTANI SO CALLED TERRORISTS IN IOK, YOU ARE ONLY TO BLAME AND COMES NOT IN ANY SINGLE VALID PROOFS
 
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WHEN KAHMIRI HAPPY WITH INDIA?? THEIR STRUGGLE GOES BACK TO BOTH COUNTRIES INDEPENDENCE


YOU HAVE NO SOLID PROOF THE PAKISTANI SO CALLED TERRORISTS IN IOK, YOU ARE ONLY TO BLAME AND COMES NOT IN ANY SINGLE VALID PROOFS

I don't know about age but pls read the history on j&k from 1989... Pls do not read from Indian or Pakistani media sources...
 
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Russia just took a swathe of Ukraine. Israel annexed Jerusalem. Syria, Iraq and Libya have been de-facto carved up by various different regional groups or nation states and their sponsors.

Pakistan and India will fight once more over Kashmir. Let covid blow over first, then be ready. Education and prosperity are certainly good things but in our case, they are a means to an end, towards our destiny. Pakistan will not ever abandon its people in Kashmir. We will come for them. If you think otherwise, all the better.

The thing that allowed them to do that is education.

You're getting nowhere with just military power.

So can we get a peace between India and Pakistan if there is no demographic change in Kashmir??
For a moment, think about a perspective from normal Indian citizen and tell me some good reason, why any one will go to a war torn place rather than going to Bangalore, Mumbai or Chennai for work...

There would be peace if the Article 370 is not revoked, and India joins negotiations. It could lead to peace. There had been multiple solutions presented before, and there was a positive domestic response from Kashmiri people on it.

As for demographic changes. No common worker Indian is going to leave for Kashmir just yet, but the perspective is that common folks will buy land to build houses as a retirement or vacation resort, companies will buy lands to setup plants and get more folks in there, as this progresses and more jobs, facilities are opened up to the Indians (who under merit will be more preferred due to better education in mainland India, language requirements and so on), there will slowly be a demographic change. You can't deny that. It will be slow though.

Are you saying Pak proxies did not commit violent militant activities in IOK?

80000 loss is due to Pak obsession with IOK and becoming a pawn of superpowers. Even to this day most Pakistanis believe they will somehow get hold of IOK. Very sad really.

Yes, Pakistan has been obsessed with Indian Occupied Kashmir. Yes, there was a great loss of lives due to the obsession. Yes, there has been no determining result. But are we alone at fault for it? No. What about India's obsession with Kashmir. Why does India oppress the people and not let them choose? Do you not realize that this armed oppression will result in an armed struggle? India is just as much as blameworthy. But let's settle the difference! Pakistan did it for the people, India did it for the land. Our cause was just and right, yours was not.

Pakistan has been doing it for the people and for the sake of the Kashmiri Muslims; and if you think this is some kind of an anomaly, it really isn't. Just read up on Pakistan's history and interventions in UN for the cause of North African states, Indonesia, among many, many other Muslim states. It's just been how our purpose and ideology has been seen. There's a great detail of read on it, book going as far back as 1957, it's fascinating, really.

I don't think we can get it back right now, probably not in the near future. But, I have always maintained, personally, that freeing Kashmir is a big goal, and non erasable, permanent goal of Pakistan; because these people called out to us, and our people sacrificed for them, we have spilled blood for them, and we have done a lot more.

1. Either there should be a step-by-step process to peace, I liked the model proposed in Musharraf's era.
2. Or, we just have to focus on ourselves for now. It really depends, if we come out of this crisis, manage to understand our priorities then the future could be different, or who knows, this could stretch out for another 100 years.
 
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The thing that allowed them to do that is education.

You're getting nowhere with just military power.



There would be peace if the Article 370 is revoked, and India joins negotiations. It could lead to peace. There had been multiple solutions presented before, and there was a positive domestic response from Kashmiri people on it.

As for demographic changes. No common worker Indian is going to leave for Kashmir just yet, but the perspective is that common folks will buy land to build houses as a retirement or vacation resort, companies will buy lands to setup plants and get more folks in there, as this progresses and more jobs, facilities are opened up to the Indians (who under merit will be more preferred due to better education in mainland India, language requirements and so on), there will slowly be a demographic change. You can't deny that. It will be slow though.

Sorry but There would be peace if the Article 370 is revoked, and India joins negotiations.

Actually, it will help to Kashmir only. After revoking the A 370 now Indian companies can buy lands and setup plants..

No, Indians are going to settle at anytime soon.
 
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I don't know about age but pls read the history on j&k from 1989... Pls do not read from Indian or Pakistani media sources...
i am referring to international sources not Indian and Pakistani sources

I don't know about age but pls read the history on j&k from 1989... Pls do not read from Indian or Pakistani media sources...
and you didn't answer my question when Kashmiri people happy with India, tell me that
 
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Sorry but There would be peace if the Article 370 is revoked, and India joins negotiations.

Actually, it will help to Kashmir only. After revoking the A 370 now Indian companies can buy lands and setup plants..

No, Indians are going to settle at anytime soon.

If the goal was truly to help Kashmir economically, and not to lead a long-term process by which demographics, and power with influence of the central government and its people is ingrained in Kashmir, then there would've been no need to revoke the entire article.

Your government could have had changed clauses in the article 370, or had the Kashmir government pass a bill which is allowed this flexibility. Nothing stopped that. The government revoked the article 370 to open the pathway for a long term change in Kashmir demographically.

In simpler words, the government just doesn't want companies to setup in Kashmir... they want people from mainland to move into Kashmir as things move forward, jobs and other facilities become open to the people in mainland.

Wait 5 years from now, you will see gated and protected societies in Kashmir specifically for Indians.
 
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i am referring to international sources not Indian and Pakistani sources


and you didn't answer my question when Kashmiri people happy with India, tell me that

Sir ji, why was no terrorism in Kashmir before 1989?

Due to terrorism only the situation in Kashmir is bad now... If there was no terrorism then India never needed to deployed forces in Kashmir.

Actually people don't care about India or Pakistan nationalist. A common people want a peaceful and better life with own family.

Kashmir people are suffering due to India and Pakistan only.. And dirty local politics in Pakistan and India.
 
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Sorry but There would be peace if the Article 370 is revoked, and India joins negotiations.

Actually, it will help to Kashmir only. After revoking the A 370 now Indian companies can buy lands and setup plants..

No, Indians are going to settle at anytime soon.
please tell me that if we assume some foreign country capture Part of India let assume UP or mahasharh perdesh There peoples or nation try to fight with foreign illegal occupation, same things happening in IOK it is local freedom struggles and you (India) tag this that foreign (Pakistani) terrorist are coming to IOK and destabilize the valley with any solid and valid proofs
 
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