Ideas to Begin a welfare Nation Concept in Pakistan

[313ghazi]

This topic is such a shit show. Typical of pdf and its ego's, a true reflection of Pakistan.

@Signalian started off with a great list of practical steps and it was quickly followed by a dars and reaction from resident Islam bashers. Since then we've covered nationalism, Ummah, education and all sorts of bakwas but only 2 or 3 posts on the actual subject at hand.

What is so hard about sticking to topic?

 

[Wow]

To the original point you cant have a welfare nation with having a solid base simple just like you cant have icing without cake

a solid industrial base
individual rights
Human rights
Freedom of movement for all Pakistanis
a solid secular education system
a good credit for all Pakistanis to start bushiness and buy homes and build up generational wealth
a culture of taking risk
and a good tax policy
Army stays in the barracks and Islam stays in the mosque

Once you implement these you can have your welfare society

 

[313ghazi]

To the original point you cant have a welfare nation with having a solid base simple just like you cant have icing without cake

a solid industrial base
individual rights
Human rights
Freedom of movement for all Pakistanis
a solid secular education system
a good credit for all Pakistanis to start bushiness and buy homes and build up generational wealth
a culture of taking risk
and a good tax policy
Army stays in the barracks and Islam stays in the mosque

Once you implement these you can have your welfare society

The only thing you need is money. Right now the state is spending on subsidies, there is BISP, is this money going to the right people? Can it be spent better? Can we raise more revenue to spend? These are questions we need to ask.

 

[Yankee-stani]

This topic is such a shit show. Typical of pdf and its ego's, a true reflection of Pakistan.

@Signalian started off with a great list of practical steps and it was quickly followed by a dars and reaction from resident Islam bashers. Since then we've covered nationalism, Ummah, education and all sorts of bakwas but only 2 or 3 posts on the actual subject at hand.

What is so hard about sticking to topic?

I am not resident basher tho I am just saying foreign countries be it Muslim or non Muslim will only respect you if you have something and are self confident

 

[Wow]

This topic is such a shit show. Typical of pdf and its ego's, a true reflection of Pakistan.

@Signalian started off with a great list of practical steps and it was quickly followed by a dars and reaction from resident Islam bashers. Since then we've covered nationalism, Ummah, education and all sorts of bakwas but only 2 or 3 posts on the actual subject at hand.

What is so hard about sticking to topic?

In Pakistan everything is connected in a troubled society like ours you cant a a discussion about anything with out talking a bout everything

you cant talk about economy without talking bout corruption without talking bout politics without talking bout religion without talking terrorism without talking bout culture yadada so on and so forth

If we are to change our country dramatically we have to talk about everything

The only thing you need is money. Right now the state is spending on subsidies, there is BISP, is this money going to the right people? Can it be spent better? Can we raise more revenue to spend? These are questions we need to ask.

Money is a by product of good policies and smart decisions and VISION
Pakistan has no vision
while the world is planing on the future we discussing implementing "true" Islam even though every version of "true" Islam failed from Iran to Saudi and whatever we were doing here unlike them we wernt born with millions of barrels of hydrocarbon under our feet to cover retarded polices i guess allah doesn't love us
reminds me of the crusades while Saladin was discussing battle strategies and the Christians were discussing how many angles can fit on a head of a needle
In the 50's the poor nation of Taiwan and a vision of semiconductor manufacturing now it produces the bestchips in the world and is one of the most prospers nation imagine if Pakistan did that no we chose "islam"
Now the future is space AI and automation batteries but we still choose "islam"

 

[litman]

OP listed actual practical ideas, not just ideals. What you've said is fair, but please mention practical steps.

you are right . i dont have any practical solutions for our problems and you know why ?because as long as the people are corrupt from top to bottom no system, no reforms can do anything. after all all the systems are run humans and when they are corrupt. almost all of them in one way or the other every system and every society will collapse.

 

[VCheng]

1. Open up a forum for public feedback and referendum for local, regional and National issues. Form a committee which monitors and processes such feedback while forwarding them to decision making authorities.

2. Financial support made accessible for the elderly living with their children as well as in institutions, just an EOB fund is not enough since not everybody can qualify for it.

3. Steps to ensure that mandatory health related saving accounts are created in banks from salaries of employees.

4. Give option to patients to choose the doctor and the hospital they want to get medical facilities from.

5. Make private schooling affordable to masses by enabling everyone to choose between competing private schools by analyzing income of parents/guardians.

6. Minimize tax threshold on parents with two children or one child. Offer incentives and benefits such as concession in bills, travelling tickets, medical facilities etc.

7. Amend constitution to limit borrowing from IMF and other institutions under criteria of certain thresholds of budget deficit and total debt values.

8. Just like compulsory health saving accounts, create mandatory pension accounts for all earning members of country which can be accessed at 60 years of age (e.g. 5-7% of salary), on lines of social insurance.

9. Make housing cheaper through supply-demand cycle. Supply should be improved by an improved planning system.

Isn't that all part of the Riasat-e-Medina model?

1. Done.
2. In progress.
3. Sehat Insaf Card.
4. Ditto.
5. Recent SC case.
6. Delayed due to economic crisis.
7. Going to IMF is a choice already. If IMF is bad, then PMIK will not approve the bailout.
8. In progress.
9. Housing schemes initiated, in progress.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Without moral responsibility to pay taxes to your country nothing is attainable

 

[313ghazi]

you are right . i dont have any practical solutions for our problems and you know why ?because as long as the people are corrupt from top to bottom no system, no reforms can do anything. after all all the systems are run humans and when they are corrupt. almost all of them in one way or the other every system and every society will collapse.

I hope you didn't take what I said as criticism, it wasn't intended like that. You're right that corruption at the top will bring everything down.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Same shit as PM Imran Khan.

What are you sniffing?

 

[CriticalThought]

I don't know about others but when I was growing in pakistan I always felt allegiance only to my country Pakistan, I never gave a damn about other countries whether muslim or non-muslims. I believe in modern nation states, they are a reality even if they look "artificial" to us in historical background because in the past there was no concept of nation states particularly in our region.

I never liked the brain washing about considering the problems of all muslims/people living in the rest of the world as our problems even though our books were filled with such BS material in school, college etc. Media I mean PTV (that was only thing that we had at that time) was also always trying to make problems happening in bosnia, palestine, chechnia etc. as "our" problems but I never considered them my problems even though I was just a teenager at that time. I think you either have self-pride or you don't have it, it has nothing to do with age, some people are born as cuckolds and care more about others problems than sorting their own problems. I still don't give a f*** to any people (muslim or non-muslim) in other countries particularly those living in india, afghanistan, iran and china our four neighbors, whatever happens there is none of my concern.

@OsmanAli98

Wishing we for entire Ummah is part and parcel of our Iman. Because we love Allah, and His Prophet Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam and His religion Islam, we want to see Islam prosper everywhere. It is no different to the entire Christian world coming together to support Phillipines against armed militancy, or supporting the Christians in South Sudan. Supporting ones fellow believers is a natural thing..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Same shit as PM Imran Khan.

You can't afford it nor handle it.

 

[Crusher]

Pakistan is already a welfare nation, but the model is different than European countries. In Europe it is the state which helps the needy, in pakistan the needy is helped by his relatives, friends and neighbors etc. My family always helped all our neighbors who had financial troubles from time to time even though they were not under any kind of pressure to do so. I saw the same thing with other families in my neighborhood. People just help each other, the state unfortunately doesn't help anyone in pakistan in times of acute needs.

 

[Yankee-stani]

@OsmanAli98

Wishing we for entire Ummah is part and parcel of our Iman. Because we love Allah, and His Prophet Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam and His religion Islam, we want to see Islam prosper everywhere. It is no different to the entire Christian world coming together to support Phillipines against armed militancy, or supporting the Christians in South Sudan. Supporting ones fellow believers is a natural thing..

Those folks only support them for geopolitical and monetary purposes you should look at what most Far Right folks online say about non whites they don't care about religion that much I never said we should not care but Pakistanis should not use that as a excuse not to build their country besides Arabs and Turks don't think that way anyways

Pakistan is already a welfare nation, but the model is different than european countries. In Europe it is the state which helps the needy, in pakistan the needy is helped by his relatives, friends and neighbors etc. My mother always helped all our neighbors who had financial troubles from time to time eventhough she was not any kind of pressure do so. I saw the same thing with other families in my neighborhood. People just help each other, the state unfortunately doesn't help anyone in pakistan in times of acute needs.

You see that's one of the few things Pakistan does right while the Arabs,Turks,Chinese,Indians and all others have become more materialistic we have not

 

[CriticalThought]

Those folks only support them for geopolitical and monetary purposes you should look at what most Far Right folks online say about non whites they don't care about religion that much I never said we should not care but Pakistanis should not use that as a excuse not to build their country besides Arabs and Turks don't think that way anyways



You see that's one of the few things Pakistan does right while the Arabs,Turks,Chinese,Indians and all others have become more materialistic we have not

When I write something, I never think what Arabs think about, or Turks think about, or Afghans think about. I consider what will Please Allah and His Prophet Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam.