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IAF set to lose its fighting edge

Thats the best possible solution.

IMO a half a squadron of Raffy is much better than a full squadron of Chinese 5th gen claimed fighter.

Sure , keep deluding yourselves :lol: Claimed 5th Gen ? :rofl: Even US is concerned about it ...
But what to say of India who likes boasting more than people can believe ? I expect nothing better from a country who puts all its trust in missile defense system and claims them to intercept missiles with 100% success rate which even Superpowers of the world aren't able to properly master and do not think them as credible defense ... Agni 5 CEP suddenly becomes lower than all the ICBM's in the world :lol: ...

This particular thinking of your lot is seen on each and every Indian forum ... Even by your Generals sometimes !

How MKI ( God's gift to aviation ) can take on every single aircraft ...

How Chinese Flankers and J 10's are inferior ... Just because you are exported cheap quality goods by the Chinese ( all depending upon the purchasing power ) , you think the defense equipment would be the same :rofl: Absolutely Wonderful !

Answer a simple question , you have producing aircrafts in JV's for decades , why is LCA so late then ? :azn: ... Weren't you able to master anything ?

Now compare it with the Chinese ... The level of their aerospace engineering !
Reverse Engineering > Innovation > Creation :china:

Continue being in denial mode , we all love it ! :P
 
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There is no doubt that Number of Fighter Aircrafts are dwindling in IAF but we still have edge over PAF be it quality or quantity.

BUT we need keep up with numbers too if you look at PLAAF! (enormous size with deadly fighter aircraft's)

We need 65 squaderns atleast to meet our need of defending our skies from both sides!! (which is highly unlikely)

Thanks to our military planners/thinker/babus that despite having funds we are unable to keep up with desired Number of squaderns !!
 
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China's aircrafts are not battle proven fine... but what about war games ? any joint exercises with any major air force ? Plz don't say PAF now.. seriously.

Are Flankers/Typhoon/Rafale/Raptor battle proven ? :azn: If no , then why the hell are you applying your logic to Chinese fighters only ?
 
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LoL - prove it on the battlefield, instead of yapping on a forum, my son.

How dare you insult the suddenly-mighty Rafale !

Just like MKI , it can take on every aircraft :rofl:
 
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How dare you insult the suddenly-mighty Rafale !

Just like MKI , it can take on every aircraft :rofl:

yeah but Mighty JF-17 And J-10 became more potent than original Russian made jets.........
 
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With the continuous crashing I don't think IAF will ever be back to full strength.
 
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How Chinese Flankers and J 10's are inferior ... Just because you are exported cheap quality goods by the Chinese ( all depending upon the purchasing power ),

No, but because the techs, weapons and capabilities they procured are of lower standard than ours (MKK vs MKI), or because J10A is currently not capable enough to compete with MKIs either, let alone Rafale F3+ and if J10B will needs to be seen.

It's funny anyway that whenever there is a discussion about Indian MMRCA, Pakistani or Chinese members bring up J20 and not J10, J11 or Su 30MKKs, because the inferiority in a 1 on 1 comparision is obvious, while ignoring that FGFA will be the counterpart to J20, be it technilogically or even more important, regarding the timeframe of induction.

Answer a simple question , you have producing aircrafts in JV's for decades , why is LCA so late then ? :azn: ... Weren't you able to master anything ?

Simple answer, because they didn't used the advantages of JVs and tried to do it alone at LCA, that's the only problem and a major mistake!

Now compare it with the Chinese ... The level of their aerospace engineering !
Reverse Engineering > Innovation > Creation :china:

When you look at it in a general way, when you look at it a bit deeper you'll see, that they are also much dependent on foreign input (no matter how they get it)! Mainly on Russia, but also on Europe (just look at the helicopters which are mainly licence productions) and also look at the same problems they have with indigenous engine developments that we have. They are undeniably in front of us, but that's not surprising by the fact that they nearly started a decade earlier and invest way more in this field. On the other side they are still not at a level as Russia, Europe and by far not as the US.
China does not reverse engineer because they want it, but because they have to, since their access to JV or the defence market in general is very limited. If they had the same options as India, they would have prefered teaming up with foreign partners as well, because that gets you a better way to more advanced techs and capabilities, than reverse engineer old techs and then have to improve them on your own. So reverse engineer is not an advantage of China but a necessity!


With the continuous crashing I don't think IAF will ever be back to full strength.

First of all, apart from the Mig crashes, no other fighter has a crash problem and the crashrates are not that worse like in other air force (US lost an F15, an F16 and an F18 just in the last 2 weeks). On the other side, you have to keep in mind, that the numbers are falling currently, but the capability is rising at the same time, because the fighters that will be phased out are older single role fighters (Mig 21, 23, 27), while more modern fighters will be upgraded to multi role capability and all new additions like MKI, LCA, Rafale are already fully multi role capable. It might take time till the squadron numbers will be the same again, but capabilitywise IAF is not by far weaker at all!
 
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Actually its lucky for us too that you are producing the JF-17, and not some other fighter. It's lucky for you, it's lucky for us, it's lucky for China that they are selling it to you and making big $, its lucky for everyone! JF-17 is sure one lucky fighter!

It is Indeed for every thing else i subscribe Gaviscon .

yeah but Mighty JF-17 And J-10 became more potent than original Russian made jets.........

Dr cheetah subscribe Gaviscon take it 3 times a day.
 
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Imagine, if the PAF went for 40 odd squadrons or the IAF was reduced to around 20 units.

One wonders, how long would the next air battle last. !!
 
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Are Flankers/Typhoon/Rafale/Raptor battle proven ? :azn: If no , then why the hell are you applying your logic to Chinese fighters only ?

U clearly have comprehensive issues..

1. I asked if PLAAF have fielded their frontline fighters in any war games with any major air force ?

2. I made it clear that battle proven is not comprehensive metric to measure the worthiness of a fighter.

3. Typhoon/rafales/SU30MKIs have either taken part in air battles or they have taken part in huge no of extensive war games..

Are Flankers/Typhoon/Rafale/Raptor battle proven ? :azn: If no , then why the hell are you applying your logic to Chinese fighters only ?

U clearly have comprehensive issues..

1. I asked if PLAAF have fielded their frontline fighters in any war games with any major air force ?

2. I made it clear that battle proven is not comprehensive metric to measure the worthiness of a fighter.

3. Typhoon/rafales/SU30MKIs have either taken part in air battles or they have taken part in huge no of extensive war games..
 
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mmmm what? Battle Proven? Against which Force? Libyan Air Force? :lol::lol:

Has Rafale faced any good Air Force/Fighter Aircrat in the battle yet?

Anyways , Rafael has still wayyyyy to go...its useless to discuss it here..
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oh boy!!! u better check that libya war's record of rafale even US airforce F15 had crashed not a single loss from rafale .
& rafale performed superbly there.
& what the hell did US airforce face the great opponents in Serbian war ,gulf wars .Those junks migs can be shot down by tom dick or harry jets:D


Meanwhile Rafale has performed superbly in aerial wargames against F16 ,typhoon ....

TEll u what plz comeback when a single chinese indigeniuos jet does atleast a similar kind of real time war operations .Until then:wave:
 
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Imagine, if the PAF went for 40 odd squadrons or the IAF was reduced to around 20 units.

One wonders, how long would the next air battle last. !!

Thats a very "patriotic" dream I must say...:lol:
 
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LOLLLZ
oh boy!!! u better check that libya war's record of rafale even US airforce F15 had crashed not a single loss from rafale .
& rafale performed superbly there.
& what the hell did US airforce face the great opponents in Serbian war ,gulf wars .Those junks migs can be shot down by tom dick or harry jets:D


Meanwhile Rafale has performed superbly in aerial wargames against F16 ,typhoon ....

TEll u what plz comeback when a single chinese indigeniuos jet does atleast a similar kind of real time war operations .Until then:wave:


You are forgetting one thing......thier way of thinking is different from us........Now they will say, Rafale luckily survived in those war's...
 
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