IAF R-73/R-77 AAMs recovered from Mig-21 wreckage l Abhinandan did not fire any missile

[NA71]

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201903071073022410-india-pakisan-aerial-clash/

 

[IFB]

After reading so many posts on this subject from members from either side of the border and trying to look at this From a neutral point of view as an observer all i can see with Pakistan claim is PAF shot down two IAF jets...so PAF only has the evidence by way of gun footage video showing it taking down IAF jets...till some thing like that is released its very hard to believe pakistan side of the story as well...members here very conveniently even refuse to acknowledge this...the same way they are saying the indian side has showed no proof so they cannot believe what india says... but its the same case on pakistani side as well...but they are ready to take the word of whatever ISPR puts out and only seek evidence from the other side.

edit : just hit my 1000th post here

 

[Mace]

For two reasons mainly,

1. The wreckage of second plane fell inside India as indicated by numerous amateur videos. If it was a PAF F-16 Indian authorities would have paraded it in front of whole world.
2. Multiple news agencies and research agencies rejecting the claim of F-16 getting shot.

1. SU is a big *** plane. The possibility of it getting hidden in IOK with a less friendlier locals is less assuming it went down in one piece in broad daylight. Even more difficult if it went down in pieces. The claim is F16 went down in Azad Kashmir side. Won’t claim it is easy to hide a downed F16. There is lots of unknowns.

2. Don’t see the role of multiple agencies reporting with certainty something which they don’t have access to.

3. Regarding your 3rd point IAF’s version can be true of SUs dodging AMRAAMs. AMRAAMs can be defeated in the real world. Again AMRAAM shrapnel found in Indian territory only confirms PAF used F16 against it insisting only JF17 were used.

 

[Windjammer]

Well said, we are ready for count, IF SU 30 count is also be scheduled on same time. I doubt banya is very cleaver they knew from very first day....and might added the count from Russians. Remember if we lost F16 we would never be able to add lost count from anywhere coz of Yankees.

Just like their surgical circus, now the Indians on this clash are coming out with different versions just to divert attention from the actual hammering they received. First they were mentioning a weird name of a pilot, then it was an F-16 from a squadron that never was part of any operation and now suddenly it's F-16D.....and the Indians have found a piece of AMRAAM, which was most likely stuck in an SU-30 wreckage....as a proof of shooting down an F-16.....military buffs are having a good laugh.

 

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he possibility of it getting hidden in IOK with a less friendlier locals is less assuming it went down in one piece in broad daylight. Even more difficult if it went down in pieces

What are these Indian military officers sorry "Kashmiri locals" hiding?

 

[NA71]

I think we should wait for few more days...just like our member "Shaheen Missile" all of sudden have posted these missile photos, some other sr. member holding other evidences, will come and surprise us.

 

[Windjammer]

Yes, till PAF lines up the all the F16Ds intact we cannot discount F16 did not go down that day. You and I just don’t have that verifiable proof right now.

No, I will not take your word for proof.

Maybe they already have done that.....waiting for an appropriate time to burst the bubble.

 

[MM_Haider]

Im really proud of that Pic. You know why ?

FACT : Indian Mig 21 ATTACAKED ( and Got Hit ) when PAF Dared to Cross LOC. PAF remained SLEEPING while India Hit 80 KM Inside !

It was due to PAF that 14 Indian aircrafts had to miss the target and were hushed away .. and within 24 hours after warning India .. we took revenge in broad day light like real men and smoked one MiG one SU30 and in confusion India hit their own Mi7 (though there are reports that it was also hit by H7 missile of Pakistani Mirage) .. that’s something to be proud of .. not like Abhinandan who was hit like a sitting duck .. and if dare cross LoC again we will do Abhinandan again.. message was well conveyed and well received by your establishment .. that’s why they didn’t dare retaliate and had to rely on face saving by returned pilot ..

 

[NA71]

Just like their surgical circus, now the Indians on this clash are coming out with different versions just to divert attention from the actual hammering they received. First they were mentioning a weird name of a pilot, then it was an F-16 from a squadron that never was part of any operation and now suddenly it's F-16D.....and the Indians have found a piece of AMRAAM, which was most likely stuck in an SU-30 wreckage....as a proof of shooting down an F-16.....military buffs are having a good laugh.

Their version of story is kept on changing because non professionals of their side is taken over and keep on spreading cycle of false info...correction...another version...correction..so on

 

[Windjammer]

is willing to line up all of it's F-16s before international military observers ??
When did that happen ?

There was no Su30 loss . Period .

It was only ballsy Abhinanan shot down over pakistani airspace either by F16 BVR or SAM .

While the IAF is going to extreme extent of showboating by awarding some SU-30 pilots for allegedly countering PAF AMRAAMS.
Hell, only in the IAF, their top line air superiority fighter was busy catching the missiles rather than firing it's weapons at the attacking PAF aircraft.
Just give it time....until then we are prepared to listen to newer versions coming out of Delhi.

 

[Windjammer]

More hot air @Windjammer. Come back with something concrete

Yea, when the facts do finally come out, most if not all the Indian members will disappear for a few weeks as was the case over the last fortnight.

 

[The Accountant]

haan Bhai de na.. I'll Pass on to PAF, who must be thinking... These IAF Guys HIT us 80 KM inside.. and Not one of our daring Pilots could be like Abhinandan.. WHY ???

Lolz ... So why are you then giving awards to MKI pilot for saving their ***? who was hitting them ? Who were kicikng their A**

 

[Vapnope]

It was utterly irresponsible for pakistai F16 to fire from deep within Pakistani territory at india Su30 CAPs when there was no open hostilities between the two countries . They all missed for evasive action of Su30s .

You had your chance to come deep inside to shoot down F16s, in fact Abhi had better pair of balls than the rest to at least chase in his inferior aircraft. The mighty flankers and MK2s didn't even put up a fight.

 

[PakSword]

utterly irresponsible for pakistai F16

Yeah right, but we crossed, and dropped payload near six key targets.. It was a responsible act.

 

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BVRs from deep within Pakistani territory

BVRs were not the only thing the Pakistani jets fired at Indian Occupied Kashmir