IAF has lost 999 planes in crashes since 1970

[harpoon]

even Pakistan is flying 60's era Mirages but the amount of accidents r nill as comaperd to IAF.

Diffrence is Pakistani training and Maintinence is far good then Indians.

Or may be you are keeping them in hangers & taking it out once in a while.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

congratulations on the 1000th -- as of today. Great feat.

 

[Tshering22]

congratulations on the 1000th -- as of today. Great feat.

Thanks to this dirty CONgress...

 

[brational]

The best thing is that, we r in a position to bear the losses.. Provided our pilots eject safely..

 

[RPK]

Lack of trainers takes toll on young pilots - India - DNA

A Jaguar fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF) crashed on Thursday in UP’s Gorakhpur, killing the pilot, Flight Lieutenant S Pandey, and a farmer.

Pandey was on a training sortie when the aircraft spun out of control and crashed killing a farmer on the ground and then sunk into a nearby pond.

This was the second major accident for the IAF in a week. Flight Lieutenant MS Pillai died in a training sortie while flying a MiG 21 in Nal, Bikaner, on Tuesday.

Sources in the IAF headquarters told DNA that evidence available in both accidents pointed to a case of pilot error.

“It is too early for us to draw any conclusions but in both cases, these were young pilots with about 40 hours of flying behind them,” a senior air force official said.

According to him, the Jaguar pilot was flying at a low level and had completed a series of maneuvers when he suddenly did a hard turn and the aircraft spun out of control.

“We are still trying to locate the FDR (data recorder) of the aircraft, which will have all the details, but we are guessing that the pilot lost control.”

The MiG-21 crash also occurred in similar circumstances when the pilot was on a low-level flight and suddenly lost control and crashed into the ground.

The initial investigations have revealed that there was no defect in the upgraded MiG-21 “Bison” thus narrowing down the cause of the accident to “pilot error”.

Both crashes come within days of the induction of the new chief of air staff, Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne who is a Jaguar pilot.

Sources close to Browne told DNA that the air chief was extremely disturbed and was looking at training schedules of the rookie pilots to prevent such accidents.

 

[SQ8]

1000 aircraft or not.. the suspicious of pilot error indicates these folks were new on the types and made crucial mistakes.
Which can only point to a lack of adequate training. I suppose that makes sense.. both types are in the twilight of their career with the IAF and polishing skills on these two may not be priority for the IAF's training command.
As of yet.. I have not heard of an MKI or M2k go down.. which means the cream of the crop is being sent to these jets.
those with lower aptitudes.. end up on the Migs and Jags.. something these two crashes are testament to.

 

[rockstarIN]

1000 aircraft or not.. the suspicious of pilot error indicates these folks were new on the types and made crucial mistakes.
Which can only point to a lack of adequate training. I suppose that makes sense.. both types are in the twilight of their career with the IAF and polishing skills on these two may not be priority for the IAF's training command.
As of yet.. I have not heard of an MKI or M2k go down.. which means the cream of the crop is being sent to these jets.
those with lower aptitudes.. end up on the Migs and Jags.. something these two crashes are testament to.

This is not correct. Most pilots fly Mig-21s before transferring to other jets.

The point is the lack of infrastructure for adequate training...i.e jumping into super sonic air craft from low end training aircraft. Hope, the new hawks will make a differenc alongwith scrapping Migs.

 

[Mani2020]

1000 aircraft or not.. the suspicious of pilot error indicates these folks were new on the types and made crucial mistakes.
Which can only point to a lack of adequate training. I suppose that makes sense.. both types are in the twilight of their career with the IAF and polishing skills on these two may not be priority for the IAF's training command.
As of yet.. I have not heard of an MKI or M2k go down.. which means the cream of the crop is being sent to these jets.
those with lower aptitudes.. end up on the Migs and Jags.. something these two crashes are testament to.

Are you kidding me? Two MKI's have been crashed in 2009-10 , and also few mirages have been crashed since there induction , you are mis-informed in that

 

[SQ8]

This is not correct. Most pilots fly Mig-21s before transferring to other jets.

The point is the lack of infrastructure for adequate training...i.e jumping into super sonic air craft from low end training aircraft. Hope, the new hawks will make a differenc alongwith scrapping Migs.

How many of those stay on the migs for a little longer??
Its those that dont make the grade.. that usually go down in pilot error.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

@Santro-Aren't most of our "low-end" jets role specific?!i.e,MiG 21-Interceptor,Jag-DPSA,MiG 27-Bomber etc.So the pilots will also be trained for these A/C right?
Will it not increase the cost of the entire training?!When they change from a MiG 21 to a 27 or a 29?

 

[blackops]

Are you kidding me? Two MKI's have been crashed in 2009-10 , and also few mirages have been crashed since there induction , you are mis-informed in that

2 Mki in 13 years dude its a very good record the mig 29 & m2k arent accident pron like jags n 21's

 

[Vibs]

Are you kidding me? Two MKI's have been crashed in 2009-10 , and also few mirages have been crashed since there induction , you are mis-informed in that

2 crashes since induction in 97.
One due to pilot error. There are switches behind the pilots and they would have to turn them on and off without looking back. At one point, a wrong switch was turned on, leading to the crash on 30 April.
Another Su-30MKI aircraft crashed on 30 November 2009 in Jathegaon, about 40 km from Jaisalmer. The pilots ejected after they saw fire alarm buttons glowing red. It was due to intake of foreign items into the engine (bird remains were found).

 

[coffin]

This is not correct. Most pilots fly Mig-21s before transferring to other jets.

The point is the lack of infrastructure for adequate training...i.e jumping into super sonic air craft from low end training aircraft. Hope, the new hawks will make a differenc alongwith scrapping Migs.

Yeah but only our finest pilots are allowed to fly the MKI So less pilot erro.r but I do think that we need better trainers but our pilots but IAF wants to waste money on deals like Mirage upgrade.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

@Vibs-^^^Correction it(Su-30) was flown from Russia in '96.Either IndianArmy Sir or T^3 Sir said that in a thread related to Kargil.
So,the oldest air frames are 15 years old.
There have been 8 M2K crashes since '83(?).

 

[SQ8]

@Santro-Aren't most of our "low-end" jets role specific?!i.e,MiG 21-Interceptor,Jag-DPSA,MiG 27-Bomber etc.So the pilots will also be trained for these A/C right?
Will it not increase the cost of the entire training?!When they change from a MiG 21 to a 27 or a 29?

Moving from any platform to another one will need investment in training.. and therefore costs..
that is uniform throughout airforces all over the world.
However.. depending on the generation gap.. and aircraft dissimilarity ; The training cost will rise relative to it.
For eg.. a IAF pilot moving from the mig-21 to the MKI needs a lot of investment.
a IDF-AF pilot moving from the F-16D Barak to the F-16I sufa will need less investment.

Fleet commonality .. helps a lot in reducing training costs..
Come the MMRCA and the phasing out of three types. Training cost.. and accidents will go down.