IAF has lost 999 planes in crashes since 1970

[Lord Of Gondor]

Read in a news article that about 11 crores of rupees are invested to train a pilot of the IAF.
A trainer A/C when procured in large quantities cost less than 3 crores of rupees each.
But MoD believes in getting a 11 crore rupee pilot killed instead of procuring the 3 crore rupee trainers that "may" potentially save the pilot!

 

[Mani2020]

2 crashes since induction in 97.
One due to pilot error. There are switches behind the pilots and they would have to turn them on and off without looking back. At one point, a wrong switch was turned on, leading to the crash on 30 April.
Another Su-30MKI aircraft crashed on 30 November 2009 in Jathegaon, about 40 km from Jaisalmer. The pilots ejected after they saw fire alarm buttons glowing red. It was due to intake of foreign items into the engine (bird remains were found).

2 Mki in 13 years dude its a very good record the mig 29 & m2k arent accident pron like jags n 21's
blackops

yar i was replying to santro , who said that he never heard about any MKI crash

 

[Vibs]

yar i was replying to santro , who said that he never heard about any MKI crash

Fair enough. But honesty the crash rate is so low I don't blame people to not know about it. No aircraft in the world is crash proof over time.

 

[rockstarIN]

How many of those stay on the migs for a little longer??
Its those that dont make the grade.. that usually go down in pilot error.

Of course good one will go to good crafts. But the starting point is Mig - 21, using to gain flying hours...thts the problem, rookies tend to make mistake and 21 crap does not allow it.

And the Jag pilot got only 40 hours with him till now..i read somewhere today....not enough for maneuvers which he undertook in that sortie in low altitude...after one hard turn he loose control....I blame lack of good trainers than tight training schedule coz no alternative available than the machine they intend to fly to battlefield.

 

[rockstarIN]

Moving from any platform to another one will need investment in training.. and therefore costs..
that is uniform throughout airforces all over the world.
However.. depending on the generation gap.. and aircraft dissimilarity ; The training cost will rise relative to it.
For eg.. a IAF pilot moving from the mig-21 to the MKI needs a lot of investment. a IDF-AF pilot moving from the F-16D Barak to the F-16I sufa will need less investment.

Fleet commonality .. helps a lot in reducing training costs..
Come the MMRCA and the phasing out of three types. Training cost.. and accidents will go down.

I dont think so, Mig-21 pilot need less training to 'fly' MKI. Like corolla to benz...

PS-Navigators who control MKI sensors and weapons are getting graduated separately from flying school....AFAIK

 

[SQ8]

I dont think so, Mig-21 pilot need less training to 'fly' MKI. Like corolla to benz...

PS-Navigators who control MKI sensors and weapons are getting graduated separately from flying school....AFAIK

Would it bother you that most people who move from a corolla to a benz have trouble even starting that car??.. let alone change gears...
they spend half their time trying to get the center console to rise and the gear selection knob to work.
In any case.. flying.. and operating electronics, systems are two different things.

 

[rockstarIN]

Would it bother you that most people who move from a corolla to a benz have trouble even starting that car??.. let alone change gears...
they spend half their time trying to get the center console to rise and the gear selection knob to work.
In any case.. flying.. and operating electronics, systems are two different things.

Nowadays there is no gear,...all automatic..FBW

And there aredifferent ppl to work for electronics and for flying..

 

[SQ8]

Nowadays there is no gear,...all automatic..FBW

And there aredifferent ppl to work for electronics and for flying..

Unless you know what to do with the electronics.. all the FBW or DBW cant help you.

So the startup sequences for the Mig and the Sukhoi are the same as well??
The emergency procedures.. the spin recovery.. the flight characteristics?

 

[April.lyrics]

8.4 & 8.5?1001?

hope pilots r alive

 

[Xeric]

i dont know if i should pity/feel sorry for the pilots who flew this aircrafts or should i salute their courage to face such odds despite being mindful of the fact that the machine they are going to fly may become their coffin. i think, i would have opted for the latter, but then when i see a staggering 39% crashes because of 'pilot error', i tend to bias towards pitying in the IAF in totality.

Nevertheless, my hearts goes all out for those pilots who lost their lives at the hands of bastardized politics. Should have gotten rid of this 21s!

 

[rockstarIN]

Unless you know what to do with the electronics.. all the FBW or DBW cant help you.

So the startup sequences for the Mig and the Sukhoi are the same as well??
The emergency procedures.. the spin recovery.. the flight characteristics?

Would not be much difficult like from bicycle to bike..anywayz.

Our navigators getting trained as so from the flying school

 

[Pride]

Whwnever there is discussion about Mig Crashes, I remember "Rang De Basanti". It was right on spot. Politicians and senior officials eat oney with the help of bureaucrates and our poor Air fighter suffers

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

a trainee sitting at the joystick of MiG-21 after gaining flying experience on your kirans or maruts is one thing, those virtually used as intermediate trainer jets.

Today after training on basic piston engine aircraft, the trainee pilot is directly put in the cockpit of a MiG-21.....why indian are under-taking this policy I have NO idea.

its like expecting a man who just learned to drive a car or a wind-glider to pilot a jet fighter ---one that is so unforgiving and not the easiest to fly


im sorry to see that IAF --after all these incidents -- they would not mothball those Migs and call it a day. They are so maintenance intensive -- and it seems HAL is not up to task as far as maintaning these aicrafts is concerned; that, and also the fact that india likes cost-cutting by purchasing second-hand or "number doh" spare parts for these aicrafts (or trying to source them locally)

that's been a disastrous policy, especially as far as flight safety is concerned...... What you guys do is your own business though, those are just my opinions (some of which are based or derived by things i have read on the subject)


but hey --- one less indian aircraft --- one less worry for us

 

[Pride]

You people have good politicians... we dont ... We have good fighter pilots which you dont have.... You cant get every thing in life ...

But you fogot one missing thing which is Corruption in our Countries? Don't you? If you have Zardari, We have kalmadi, Raja and god knows how many more.

And who says our Pilots are not good are lving in a denial. We have quantity + quality both but the problem is we are still flying in "Flying coffins".

 

[IndoCarib]

You people have good politicians... we dont ... We have good fighter pilots which you dont have.... You cant get every thing in life ...

Who says we have good politicians?

About fighter pilots, that is debatable !