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'I was forced to hunt Jews'

Verses in the Quran are often taken out of context. You didn't mention one of the most popular ones - Quran 9:5 "Kill the polytheists wherever you find them". Now, this sounds like the Quran is telling Muslims to butcher non-Muslims everywhere, hence, Islam must be a violent religion - say Western "experts". What these experts ALWAYS forget to mention, is the very next verse 9:6, that says "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

The Quran is elaborated upon by the Holy Prophet(SAWS)'s example. For example, the Quran only says do Namaz, it doesn't say how Namaz is to be done. Then the Sunnah/example of the Holy Prophet(SAWS) upon the example of the Prophet(SAWS), and even the Quran tells us to follow his example.

The verses of warfare were revealed at a time of war. Muslims emigrated to Madina, and the Meccans pursued them there. Before Badr(the first war between the Muslims and non-Muslims), Muslims were heavily out-numbered by the Quraish(Muslims were 1/3rd the size), and they were also reticent and reluctant to fight their own clansmen. Hence, these verses instructing Muslims to be hard against their enemy.

Look at our history. Muslims have lived and co-existed peacefully with every other group, Christian groups(especially Arab Christian) have lived in Muslim lands for over a millennium. Just about the only place the Jews weren't prosecuted, were Muslim lands - Islam makes it a tenet of religion to treat other people's places of worship as sacred(and prevent harm from coming to them). Muslims lived with athiests and polytheistic people.

We never had witch-hunts like Europe. Never "forced religion by the sword" like the west accuses Islam of. The west tried, using military might, to impose their ideology on the whole world. Completely wiped out weaker races on the battlefield and subjugated them for centuries. All over the world from the Native American tribes, to the Aborginal people who inhabited Australia, to South America where they spread diseases for which natives had no immunity, Africans they hunted like animals and enslaved. And yet, these things like forced conversions, the vanquished natives deeply cherished their values and quietly passed them from generation to generation. And even centuries later, in every single one of these places they conquered, the native beliefs still exist. The human spirit cannot be conquered by sword or guns, something which the western organisation experience amply proved.

Historian Lord Kinross writes in his book Centuries, that "European peasants preferred to be ruled by the Ottomans than by their own, more grasping, unpredictable rulers". The West always needs a "boogeyman", someone common enemy to use, to convince their population to let their governments do completely unreasonable things. Hence the US population should give their government the right to snoop through all their Internet communication, illegally tap millions of people's phones without them even knowing - using full-body scanner at machines, that see through clothes and provide a naked picture - all in the name of protecting the some terrorists hiding in a cave. Earlier, the Soviets used to be the "boogeyman", that the western world blamed for all their problems. Then it was the Jerries before them. Even hundreds of years ago, the West vilified Native Americans, painting them as "injuns" that wanted to slaughter Westerners in their culture and media, all while the West was utterly massacring those Natives and colonizing their land.

So no - Islam is a religion of peace, it's history proves this. Just because the West needs another enemy to distract from all their problems, does not suddenly make Islam bad.
Read your history...Islam WAS spread by the sword in the early days, not the only way though. Read about the Berbers, the fun in sudan (which led to the "bhact"), Persia etc.
 
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Atanz, yes its very well established that Christianity used force, they had inquisitions etc etc (the longest one being in India btw).

Hence if one comes across a christian terrorist / supremacist discusion and all apologists manage to mumble is that christianity is a religion of peace like a trained zombie, then it will be extremely dishonest in a discussion too.

Now that established, we can proceed.
 
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@Jbond197

Well, well Messrs. Will Durent and Elst never heard about the European conquest of North America and how by end of the their 'project' the native Indian's were practically wiped out, coast to coast, from north to south a entire peoples had been erased with a few specimens left in human zoos called "reservations" This mass genocide of a entire continent does not of course qualify the grand title of "bloodiest story in history".

Although even a lay observer would notice that India today is a overflowing sea of humanity with over 1,200 billion people whereas the native indians in North america are practically historical exhibits.

Durrent and Elst must have got amnisiac or partial memory loss over what happened in South America almost contempranous to what was happening in North America. The native Aztecs, Incas etc were almost wiped out or forced to work as slaves and converted to Roman Cathlocism. that was brutality on a grand scale which is why the native Aztecs regard the Columbus as the vanguard of death of their peoples.

I could go on about what the Europeans did in Africa [ you know the slavery blah blah ] or aborgines in australia but i think I made the point ......... I doubt you will get it though. You who have your head stuck so deep in the sand that if meteorite was to impact the ground next to you, you would not hear it.

@King Mamba
Some guilty pleasures in life you enjoy in private and the last place I would have in mind is my parents place. The other bit about carrying certain 'gifts' is worrying though but there is always the Durex to help out.

Of course you make sure to wash such sins when you go home and act sweet innocence- Like a true Pakistani I am certified hypocrite
U damn right about the american and Australianz history, my friend....They completely wipedout the entire human civilizations there as it wasn't Europen race or were not accepting catholism......The European invaders are repeating the same activities around the globe. The history is getting repeated again now.......:smokin:
 
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wrong section
a British citizen caught in Briton and confessing there has nothing to do with this section.
see what the section guide line says.


"Discussions on Pakistan's struggle against the militancy. Dont post any topics related to India. Post U.S. "War on Terror" topics in World Affairs forum."

Atanz, yes its very well established that Christianity used force, they had inquisitions etc etc (the longest one being in India btw).

Hence if one comes across a christian terrorist / supremacist discusion and all apologists manage to mumble is that christianity is a religion of peace like a trained zombie, then it will be extremely dishonest in a discussion too.

Now that established, we can proceed.
And Israel was founded after WW2 with tora in one hand and a rile in the other hand.. thats how its proud founding fathers explain its creation.

this is the kind of discussion we are keeping off limits because that leads to mud slinging and insulting each other's faith and then an Atheist declares that all religions are violent but not mentioning people like Sadam or Stalin for example who were completely godless and top the charts of ordering massacres and even personally executing people in the recent history
 
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British Muslim husband and wife jailed for planning terror attack on Manchester Jews

Couple who downloaded ‘Make a bomb in the kitchen’ manual from the Internet were in the ‘attack-planning stage of a terrorist act motivated by anti-Semitic beliefs’

By MIRIAM SHAVIV July 20, 2012

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British terrorist couple Shasta Khan and Mohammed Sajid Khan were found guilty of planning an attack on the Manchester Jewish community. (photo, courtesy Greater Manchester Police)

A Muslim husband and wife convicted of planning a terror attack against Jews in Manchester, England, were jailed Friday.

Shasta Khan, who was convicted of preparing for acts of terrorism and two counts of possessing information likely to be useful in an act of terrorism, was sentenced to eight years in prison. The 38-year-old hairdresser, who had pleaded not guilty, will serve four years minus the 350 days she spent on remand.

Her husband Mohammed Sajid Khan, 33, an unemployed car valet, was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection, which means that after a minimum of seven-and-a-half years, his position will be regularly reviewed by a parole board. He had pleaded guilty to engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorism.

The sentences “reflect the fact that Mohammed Sajid Khan was clearly the dominant character in this terror plot, and we hope he spends a long time behind bars,” said Mark Gardner, spokesperson for the Community Security Trust, an organization which provides security advice, infrastructure and manpower to British Jews. “We will never know if Shasta Khan would have turned to terrorism had she not married her husband.”

The Khans were in the early stages of building a home-made bomb, following instructions they found on the internet, when their plot was discovered in July 2011. Police had been called to their home in Oldham, greater Manchester, following a domestic dispute.

They had spent months scouting out potential Jewish targets in Manchester, including two synagogues and the Jewish Agency building.
They couple, who had met on the internet in 2010 and married just six weeks later, had become radicalized by material they read on the internet, including an English-language magazine published by an al-Qaeda affiliate.

Detective Chief Superintendent Anthony Mole, head of the North West Counter-Terrorism Unit, said: “It is impossible to say with any certainty what their exact endgame was or what their specific targets may have been because we arrested the couple before any such terrorist attack could be carried out. However, the overwhelming evidence suggests they were in the attack-planning stage of a terrorist act motivated by anti-Semitic beliefs.

“Clearly this will cause shock in not just Jewish communities but across Greater Manchester as a whole. What I want to stress is that we have found no evidence to suggest this couple were collaborating with anyone else. They were in fact acting totally alone. There is nothing to suggest any residual threat to our communities.

“What we must acknowledge is the dangers posed by the relatively easy access to online publications which contain instructions on how to make viable explosive devices from everyday household items, and how this can create ‘home-grown’ terrorists. The Khans did not need to travel to training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan — the knowledge they needed to commit a terrorist act was available at the click of a few buttons from the confines of their own home. As the prosecution described it, this was ‘jihad at home’.”

During the trial at Manchester Crown Court, which lasted nearly a month, the jury heard that the couple began preparing an attack almost as soon as they married.

They downloaded a manual called “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of your Mom” from the Internet and, following its instructions, began gathering material for a homemade bomb. Material found in their home included Christmas tree lights adapted to make a detonator, electrical wires, safety goggles, a funnel, needles, syringes and chemicals such as bleach, acetone and peroxide liquid which Mrs. Khan used in her work as a hairdresser.

The prosecutors said that these could be combined within days into a bomb that could kill at least 10 people, and given more time, could be used to kill dozens.
 
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What is the point of bringing back an old thread with an article that is flame bait.... Mods please close this thread.
 
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What is the point of bringing back an old thread with an article that is flame bait.... Mods please close this thread.
Why? Is there no way to discuss these criminals and their motivations without displeasing you? Free speech is allowed but only if we avoid your sensitivities and not hurt your delicate feelings?
 
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Why? Is there no way to discuss these criminals and their motivations without displeasing you? Free speech is allowed but only if we avoid your sensitivities and not hurt your delicate feelings?

:rofl: I don't care what you talk about but opening up a dead thread is just inviting flame bait.

Poor Zionists, they are always victims of terrorism :cry:

We all have to feel bad for them or else it is a crime against humanity. :rolleyes:
 
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