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True if the Muslims and Jews hadn't been wiped out during the inquisition all of South America would have been majority Muslim. I tell my friends this all the time when they argue with me on this topic. (They are Ecuadorian). :D

It is interesting that within 50 years of Christian 'liberation' in 1490 of Muslim Spain not a single Muslim was left as a result of the Inquisition and the Jews took refuge in Muslim Morroco where they lived for 500 years until emergence of modern Isreal in 1947 and then shipped over to that country where they form the Sephardi Jews as opposed to the European Jews. The only remaining legacy of Muslims in Spain is Alhambra in Cordoba and other monuments. Many churches were built on foundation of mosques.

If the Muslims in Spain had applied a similar inquisition in South Asia as Christians did in Muslim Spain there would have been Zero Hindus today. JBonds a*ss would have been deleted ........... !!!

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And King Mamba I have heard of the 'well endowed' South American women. If this myth is true and you have some excess stock of Ecudorian assets do please point them in my direction.
 
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If the Muslims in Spain had applied a similar inquisition in South Asia as Christians did in Muslim Spain there would have been Zero Hindus today. JBonds a*ss would have been deleted ........... !!!

Dumbo, How do you think whole of Persia converted? Sufis did it for you.. right? They lost it and couldn't fight back and had option to be either killed or convert..

But in case of India, Invaders tried your a$$ off but failed because there was a great fight back from Rajputs/Marathas/Sikhs and other Hindu Kings from all over India..

Had there been no British invasion, the whole region would have come under Marathas/Sikhs/Rajputs and all the converts (like you) a*ss would have been deleted..
 
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It is interesting that within 50 years of Christian 'liberation' in 1490 of Muslim Spain not a single Muslim was left as a result of the Inquisition and the Jews took refuge in Muslim Morroco where they lived for 500 years until emergence of modern Isreal in 1947 and then shipped over to that country where they form the Sephardi Jews as opposed to the European Jews. The only remaining legacy of Muslims in Spain is Alhambra in Cordoba and other monuments. Many churches were built on foundation of mosques.

If the Muslims in Spain had applied a similar inquisition in South Asia as Christians did in Muslim Spain there would have been Zero Hindus today. JBonds a*ss would have been deleted ........... !!!

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And King Mamba I have heard of the 'well endowed' South American women. If this myth is true and you have some excess stock of Ecudorian assets do please point them in my direction.

It is no myth. :D Just come over here there are so many running around although I will advise protection they are known to carry diseases. :rofl: They are good looking but not worth taking home to your mother if you catch my drift and have been around so to say. I prefer my Muslim girls better.

Dumbo, you tried your a$$ off but then there was a fight back .. How do you think whole of Persia converted? Sufis did it for you right?

They lost it and couldn't fight back and had no means other than to convert but in case of India there was a big fight back from Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs and many more down south.. Had there been no British invasion. The whole region would have come under Marathas/Sikhs/Rajputs and all the converts a*ss would have been deleted..

Not all of Persia a lot of Zoroastrians chose not to and to this day Iran has a huge Zoroastrian population. I am not going to act like Muslims did not kill any Hindus when the invasion occured that is not even debatable however I will say after the conquest was complete conversions were done by Sufi saints such as my forefathers and many others.

Were Hindus murdered in huge numbers? YES like most invading forces of the time they cared little of the local people beliefs and traditions.

Does that mean all Hindus who converted were threatened with death the answer is no most who accepted Islam did so on their own accord following the conquest of the subcontinent.
 
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@Jbond197

Well, well Messrs. Will Durent and Elst never heard about the European conquest of North America and how by end of the their 'project' the native Indian's were practically wiped out, coast to coast, from north to south a entire peoples had been erased with a few specimens left in human zoos called "reservations" This mass genocide of a entire continent does not of course qualify the grand title of "bloodiest story in history".

Although even a lay observer would notice that India today is a overflowing sea of humanity with over 1,200 billion people whereas the native indians in North america are practically historical exhibits.

Durrent and Elst must have got amnisiac or partial memory loss over what happened in South America almost contempranous to what was happening in North America. The native Aztecs, Incas etc were almost wiped out or forced to work as slaves and converted to Roman Cathlocism. that was brutality on a grand scale which is why the native Aztecs regard the Columbus as the vanguard of death of their peoples.

I could go on about what the Europeans did in Africa [ you know the slavery blah blah ] or aborgines in australia but i think I made the point ......... I doubt you will get it though. You who have your head stuck so deep in the sand that if meteorite was to impact the ground next to you, you would not hear it.

@King Mamba
Some guilty pleasures in life you enjoy in private and the last place I would have in mind is my parents place. The other bit about carrying certain 'gifts' is worrying though but there is always the Durex to help out.

Of course you make sure to wash such sins when you go home and act sweet innocence- Like a true Pakistani I am certified hypocrite
 
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Not all of Persia a lot of Zoroastrians chose not to and to this day Iran has a huge Zoroastrian population. I am not going to act like Muslims did not kill any Hindus when the invasion occured that is not even debatable however I will say after the conquest was complete conversions were done by Sufi saints such as my forefathers and many others.

Do you even know the population of Zoroastrians in Iran? Only between 35,000 and 90,000 now remain in a country of approximately 74 million citizens -- and, fearing persecution, many do not readily identify themselves as Zoroastrians.

They ran to India to save their lives and religion from the swords of Barbaric invaders.. Sufi conversion is just a myth/fair tale taught to delude people to feel better about themselves and their past deeds..

Were Hindus murdered in huge numbers? YES like most invading forces of the time they cared little of the local people beliefs and traditions.
Yeah, they didn't care about local beliefs and traditions that's why forced theirs on the the invaded people by sword.. good that you got to it finally..

Does that mean all Hindus who converted were threatened with death the answer is no most who accepted Islam did so on their own accord following the conquest of the subcontinent.

Yes if there was such a peace in those conquest then can you explain why do we have such a deep hatred between Hindus/ Muslims? The amount of hatred is not that much against Christians.. There is a reason for that and there is a history of it..

Sikh Gurus were killed not in any invasion but because they wanted to protect people from getting converted/prosecuted..
 
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Well, well Messrs. Will Durent and Elst never heard about the European conquest of North America and how by end of the their 'project' the native Indian's were practically wiped out, coast to coast, from north to south a entire peoples had been erased with a few specimens left in human zoos called "reservations" This mass genocide of a entire continent does not of course qualify the grand title of "bloodiest story in history".
Don't mix topics to justify anything..

Although even a lay observer would notice that India today is a overflowing sea of humanity with over 1,200 billion people whereas the native indians in North america are practically historical exhibits.

Poor example.. In India there was a strong push back of Invaders and by the time Britishers came, Invaders rule was almost finished and then we had to work against British..


Durrent and Elst must have got amnisiac or partial memory loss over what happened in South America almost contempranous to what was happening in North America. The native Aztecs, Incas etc were almost wiped out or forced to work as slaves and converted to Roman Cathlocism. that was brutality on a grand scale which is why the native Aztecs regard the Columbus as the vanguard of death of their peoples.

I could go on about what the Europeans did in Africa [ you know the slavery blah blah ] or aborgines in australia but i think I made the point ......... I doubt you will get it though. You who have your head stuck so deep in the sand that if meteorite was to impact the ground next to you, you would not hear it.

Whoa, so angry at the historians now! Do I need to tell you that historians generally pick an area of research and work on it.. I am sure you will find some historian of South American history.. But just because they were named Indians their history can not be related to the sub-continental Indians.. It's not me who's head is stuck deep in the sand rather you appear to be the case of the same that's why just to make people believe in your lies you want to talk about the whole world..
 
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Do you even know the population of Zoroastrians in Iran? Only between 35,000 and 90,000 now remain in a country of approximately 74 million citizens -- and, fearing persecution, many do not readily identify themselves as Zoroastrians.

They ran to India to save their lives and religion from the swords of Barbaric invaders.. Sufi conversion is just the fair tale taught to you people to feel better about your selves and of your past deeds..


Yeah, they didn't care about local beliefs and traditions that's why forced theirs on the the invaded people by sword.. good that you got to it finally..



Yes if there was such a peace in those conquest then can you explain why do we have such a deep hatred between Hindus/ Muslims? The amount of hatred is not that much against Christians.. There is a reason for that and there is a history of it..

Sikh Gurus were killed not in any invasion but because they wanted to protect people from getting converted..

Where was this hatred before partition. Before Indian Congress and Muslim League separated the masses. If their is hatred between Hindus and Muslims today it is because of the deaths during partition and the four wars that have followed. I will take the word of my grandmother who said how Hindus and Muslims lived in peace before the Indian Congress became Hindu platform and Muslim League was made to be a platform for Muslims. We can play the blame game all day it will make no difference. If Sufi saints did not do any converting than how come to this day thousands of people come to their shrines to pay their respects? Why do so many Pakistani Muslims here in the states show my family and I the utmost respect when they hear we are the Syeds of Allo Mahar Sharif? Granted maybe MAYBE it is a fairy tale but why you guys still hold this grudge. The Christians believe the Jews had their Lord killed yet they are their most staunch defenders and friends. The Jews were treated better under Muslim rule than under any Christian rule and yet they despise us why is that? Why is there hatred you ask? The answer is I don't know but let me tell you something else if we as humans keep dwelling on the past we will never move forward towards the future. A great man once said, "As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world, that is the myth of the atomic age, as in being able to remake ourselves." We cannot change the past let us focus on the future.
 
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Sir Solomon,

I wonder is that a medical condition that you had to make Pakistan in red while article was about British National? Also she never killed anybody and case is for she having illegal chemicals. Its sorry to see your obsession and I sympathies with you.
 
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Sir Solomon,

I wonder is that a medical condition that you had to make Pakistan in red while article was about British/Pakistani? Also she never killed anybody and case is for she having illegal chemicals. Its sorry to see your obsession and I sympathies with you.

He is just mad Pakistan asked UN to review Israeli actions. :rolleyes:
 
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Hey KingMamba I got to go now. I will let you pull Jbond out the hole he has got trapped in. Regards .......... !!!
 
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Where was this hatred before partition. Before Indian Congress and Muslim League separated the masses. If their is hatred between Hindus and Muslims today it is because of the deaths during partition and the four wars that have followed. I will take the word of my grandmother who said how Hindus and Muslims lived in peace before the Indian Congress became Hindu platform and Muslim League was made to be a platform for Muslims.
Wow so you are telling me there was not hatred at all before partition.. The hatred is there right from the times Sikh gurus were killed or Hindu temples were destroyed..

We can play the blame game all day it will make no difference. If Sufi saints did not do any converting than how come to this day thousands of people come to their shrines to pay their respects? Why do so many Pakistani Muslims here in the states show my family and I the utmost respect when they hear we are the Syeds of Allo Mahar Sharif? Granted maybe MAYBE it is a fairy tale but why you guys still hold this grudge.

Well if you are taught to follow something, you will do that.. Why would Pakistani Muslims question a well established notion? They simply believe what's been told.. I hold no grudge about Sufis or for that matter Muslims but if you are gonna talk history lies have no place in it.. No matter how bad it is and no matter how blood filled it is, It needs to be spoken in exact same way as it happened? It doesn't help turning blind to the facts..


The Christians believe the Jews had their Lord killed yet they are their most staunch defenders and friends.
TBH, I can't tell you about that as I don't know much..

The Jews were treated better under Muslim rule than under any Christian rule and yet they despise us why is that? Why is there hatred you ask?
Jews were pushed out of their holy lands by invaders and that is the reason of their hatred.. If some one throw me out of my house, I am not gonna like it..

The answer is I don't know but let me tell you something else if we as humans keep dwelling on the past we will never move forward towards the future. A great man once said, "As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world, that is the myth of the atomic age, as in being able to remake ourselves." We cannot change the past let us focus on the future.

as I said, I am not living in past but history is my interest area. But if we talk about incidents of the past, we can not simply deny the facts no matter how bad they were..

@Atanz, your last post is not worthy enough for a reply but it does prove how intellectually bankrupt you are..
 
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Wow so you are telling me there was not hatred at all before partition.. The hatred is there right from the times Sikh gurus were killed or Hindu temples were destroyed..



Well if you are taught to follow something, you will do that.. Why would Pakistani Muslims question a well established notion? They simply believe what's been told.. I hold no grudge about Sufis or for that matter Muslims but if you are gonna talk history lies have no place in it.. No matter how bad it is and no matter how blood filled it is, It needs to be spoken in exact same way as it happened? It doesn't help turning blind to the facts..



TBH, I can't tell you about that as I don't know much..


Jews were pushed out of their holy lands by invaders and that is the reason of their hatred.. If some one throw me out of my house, I am not gonna like it..



as I said, I am not living in past but history is my interest area. But if we talk about incidents of the past, we can not simply deny the facts no matter how bad they were..

@Atanz, your last post is not worthy enough for a reply but it does prove how intellectually bankrupt you are..

Hatred no dislike yes, I am talking history and Sufis are known for spreading Islam in the subcontinent, yea but it makes you wonder if they can get past that HUGE obstacle why can't we, Jews and Muslims lived together in Palestine peacefully under Muslim rule and that is Muslim land Jews have no home as it is written in their own book they are supposed to be good citizens in whatever countries they dwell in. Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism <---- Rabbis who agree with me. Yes history interests me as well and I never denied Muslims killed Hindus during conquest however to think all were converted forcefully is ridiculous and I have told you why now if you choose to deny what I have told you than ok fine that is your opinion and that is ok because most historians still dispute this topic to this day.
 
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^^^Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves -48:29

And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)

Firstly , you may be right that Islam is indeed the religion of peace so I want to ask you what do these verses from the Koran mean ?

Please don't get me wrong , this is a genuine query .

Verses in the Quran are often taken out of context. You didn't mention one of the most popular ones - Quran 9:5 "Kill the polytheists wherever you find them". Now, this sounds like the Quran is telling Muslims to butcher non-Muslims everywhere, hence, Islam must be a violent religion - say Western "experts". What these experts ALWAYS forget to mention, is the very next verse 9:6, that says "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

The Quran is elaborated upon by the Holy Prophet(SAWS)'s example. For example, the Quran only says do Namaz, it doesn't say how Namaz is to be done. Then the Sunnah/example of the Holy Prophet(SAWS) upon the example of the Prophet(SAWS), and even the Quran tells us to follow his example.

The verses of warfare were revealed at a time of war. Muslims emigrated to Madina, and the Meccans pursued them there. Before Badr(the first war between the Muslims and non-Muslims), Muslims were heavily out-numbered by the Quraish(Muslims were 1/3rd the size), and they were also reticent and reluctant to fight their own clansmen. Hence, these verses instructing Muslims to be hard against their enemy.

Look at our history. Muslims have lived and co-existed peacefully with every other group, Christian groups(especially Arab Christian) have lived in Muslim lands for over a millennium. Just about the only place the Jews weren't prosecuted, were Muslim lands - Islam makes it a tenet of religion to treat other people's places of worship as sacred(and prevent harm from coming to them). Muslims lived with athiests and polytheistic people.

We never had witch-hunts like Europe. Never "forced religion by the sword" like the west accuses Islam of. The west tried, using military might, to impose their ideology on the whole world. Completely wiped out weaker races on the battlefield and subjugated them for centuries. All over the world from the Native American tribes, to the Aborginal people who inhabited Australia, to South America where they spread diseases for which natives had no immunity, Africans they hunted like animals and enslaved. And yet, these things like forced conversions, the vanquished natives deeply cherished their values and quietly passed them from generation to generation. And even centuries later, in every single one of these places they conquered, the native beliefs still exist. The human spirit cannot be conquered by sword or guns, something which the western organisation experience amply proved.

Historian Lord Kinross writes in his book Centuries, that "European peasants preferred to be ruled by the Ottomans than by&#65279; their own, more grasping, unpredictable rulers". The West always needs a "boogeyman", someone common enemy to use, to convince their population to let their governments do completely unreasonable things. Hence the US population should give their government the right to snoop through all their Internet communication, illegally tap millions of people's phones without them even knowing - using full-body scanner at machines, that see through clothes and provide a naked picture - all in the name of protecting the some terrorists hiding in a cave. Earlier, the Soviets used to be the "boogeyman", that the western world blamed for all their problems. Then it was the Jerries before them. Even hundreds of years ago, the West vilified Native Americans, painting them as "injuns" that wanted to slaughter Westerners in their culture and media, all while the West was utterly massacring those Natives and colonizing their land.

So no - Islam is a religion of peace, it's history proves this. Just because the West needs another enemy to distract from all their problems, does not suddenly make Islam bad.
 
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I guess Mrs Khan and her husband both working for the MI6....cuz the evidence of the material found with them clearly shows that the secret hand behind this terrorist game is the dear british terrorist agency MI6........Nice try to malign Muslims and Islam for terrorism........:lol:

Lol, I always get a kick out of those who say the US, CIA, Brtian, MI6, etc are responsible for Muslim terrorist operations. All muslims sit at home while all Islamist organizations are run from non-muslim countries (guess the non-muslim countries realllly wanna push Islamic extremism). PS...I know that the extremist are a minority, so save the ten post about that...
 
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Thanks for the explanation. I have sort of formed an opinion but I would rather be quite about what it is .

Anyway @ Atanz ,

I am aware that all Abrahamic religions have such verses however , Christianity and Judaism at least today are not the religions that are at odds with almost all the non-believers religions or even atheists in the world today.

They have a very violent history but they have sort of grown up and by and large have learnt to ignore the more violent and illogical verses of their texts .

Of course terrorism can come from any religion .I am not singling out Islam . I just had some questions that's all .
 
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