Huge Turkish and HTS casualties in failed attack

[Saddam Hussein]

So you are telling me there were no rape or any sexual violence when your Shia regime took back Fallujah from Sunni Arab tribes?

Sunni Arab tribes?
Not ISIS?

Also there is no such thing as a Sunni Arab tribe, religion does not separate tribes. Stick to your country as I said, Sunnis in Iraq hate foreigners after experiencing ISIS.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Stick to your country as I said,

I am on PDF, a Pakistani forum. How about you keep your cheap propaganda on your own forum?

Sunnis in Iraq hate foreigners

Except Iran, according to you Sunnis of Syria and Iraq love Iran.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

I am on PDF, a Pakistani forum. How about you keep your cheap propaganda on your own forum?



Except Iran, according to you Sunnis of Syria and Iraq love Iran.

lol good luck wasting time then

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Sunnis in Iraq hate foreigners after experiencing ISIS.

So ISIS pushed them into hating foreigners?

Really?

Not the British, Americans, Iranians, or anyone else who helped "nation build" in Iraq over the last two hundred years.

ISIS finally made Iraqi Sunnis wake up and think of mistrusting foreigners.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan see brother, this is the one-sided camel cabbage brain function that cannot be argued against round here.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So ISIS pushed them into hating foreigners?

Really?

Not the British, Americans, Iranians, or anyone else who helped "nation build" in Iraq over the last two hundred years.

ISIS finally made Iraqi Sunnis wake up and think of mistrusting foreigners.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan see brother, this is the one-sided camel cabbage brain function that cannot be argued against round here.

Forget Non-Muslim regimes, they are only interfering for their own objectives. Muslims are just pawns to them.

There are two types of people in the Muslim world who are opposed to the ordinary people of Syria and Iraq, either sectarian fanatics (of which Iran now has the monopoly) or autocratic regimes/US puppet slave states (such as KSA, UAE, and Sisi's Egypt.)

Turkey represents the desire of the Muslim world to be rid of both cancerous traitors who are eating at the heart of the Muslim world. This is why, by and large, the Muslim world supports Turkey. You will see support for Turks as far away as Indonesia, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Albania, Kyrgyztsan, BD, etc.

 

[Ansu fati]

These coverage circles are very silly. For low flying aircraft the circle the small one:

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In all conflicts side with relies on air defence is losing and on air superiority winning.

This image just proves my point that US is biased towards Turkey about F-35
S400 was bought for political and military reasons
If we speak only from military perspective
then we can agree that US was biased towards Turkey for the F-35/S400 issue
Turkey has its own long range systems which will i hope be operational by 2023 or in worst case scenario 2025
Once this is achieved I don’t think that S400 will be used actively but it could be used in TAF-USAF air defense exercises which can be very interesting for US unfortunately US congress prefers to sanction rather than cooperate with turks

 

[Saddam Hussein]

So ISIS pushed them into hating foreigners?

Really?

Not the British, Americans, Iranians, or anyone else who helped "nation build" in Iraq over the last two hundred years.

ISIS finally made Iraqi Sunnis wake up and think of mistrusting foreigners.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan see brother, this is the one-sided camel cabbage brain function that cannot be argued against round here.

For all the braindead out there, let me expand and fully clarify the meaning of my comment.

"Iraqi Sunnis hate foreigners" = Iraqi Sunnis are fed up of having foreigners "advise (AKA kill and burn)" them under the cover of "liberating" them from "evil satanic, bloodthirsty, human eating, raping" Iraqi Shias.

 

[500]

This image just proves my point that US is biased towards Turkey about F-35
S400 was bought for political and military reasons
If we speak only from military perspective
then we can agree that US was biased towards Turkey for the F-35/S400 issue
Turkey has its own long range systems which will i hope be operational by 2023 or in worst case scenario 2025
Once this is achieved I don’t think that S400 will be used actively but it could be used in TAF-USAF air defense exercises which can be very interesting for US unfortunately US congress prefers to sanction rather than cooperate with turks

S-400 is maintained by Russian specialists, there can me hardware and software backdoors. So if F-35 flies around S-400 they could build a full radar pic of it and send to Russia. Why on earth US should take such risks?

 

[Ansu fati]

S-400 is maintained by Russian specialists, there can me hardware and software backdoors. So if F-35 flies around S-400 they could build a full radar pic of it and send to Russia. Why on earth US should take such risks?

It is maintained by russians until april or may when they will be manned by turkish staff
F-35 could be deployed in western parts while s400 will be deployed in eastern and southern parts
Sooner or later US would like to train against S400 for SEAD missions just like they do exercises against S300 maybe india can give them access but who knows if indians would jeopardize defense collaboration with russians which is decades old on the other hand turey is nato member which makes it available not only to US but to all other NATO countries with relevant airforces(UK france germany italy)
My point was americans could’ve solved the issue in a win win way for both sides but i guess they were much more concerned about defending their ego rather than saving turkish-american relationship

 

[dani92]

I met him in person many times and knew him well, back then he was the student of Dr. Israr Ahmad, but then he split with him when Dr. Saab asked him to learn basics of Islam too like Hifz and Fiqh and obtain Ijazat. Imran N Hosein blatantly refused and has been anti-Pakistan since. He became the anti-Dr. Israr.



Iranian general was responsible for terrorism inside Pakistan, made Iran a complete ally of India, and pumping Indian spies from Chahbahar like Kulbushan Yadav.

Some of you talking about Islam are not even Muslim. It is just a proxy game for you, while Syrians are dying.

Taliban is back in Afghanistan, so keep the tears rolling.



Why are you comparing Turkey with Iran? Turkey never has hurt Pakistan firecrly, while Iran has not stopped any opportunity to do so under Solemani.



This Syrian war is no business of China. I dont know why Non-Muslim regimes see fit to interfere in the Muslim world.

It seems all Non-Muslims are united against Turkey and Syrian people now, and if you think this will not breed animosity throughout Muslim world, you are wrong.

Aren’t your country allied with China and America who are anti Muslim countries you hypocrite you bark about Iran being an ally to India and Russia yet you are allied with America and China

Turkophiles always complain about Iranians and Arabs but never about Turks first off how many courupt deals were sighed by Nawzoo and his gang with watermelon seller did you know Turkey also shelters that rat f..ck loser Uzbek Dostum and is Erdogan best buddy has two properties there for someone who supports the Taliban its quite hypocritical you support a state that supported the Northern Alliance a member of the NATO alliance and Turks like the Iranians are the same they want to emphasize more on Pan Turkic and Pan Iranian expansionism rather than Muslim Unity to be fair if Watermellon seller was smart he is not he could have allied with Iran fully drop hostile moves in Syria and check mate the Russians instead he pushed Iranians further to the Russians and the Russians have boxed in Anatolia now



It was never about Pan-Islamic ambitions it's all about retarded Pan Turkic fantasies at best

Yes exactly the Turks supported the scumbag dostum because he is an Uzbek while the Iranians supported the Sunni Tajiks because they are ironic while they didn’t do shit when the mongol Shia hazard were slaughtered by the savage taliban.

 

[Beast]

Turkey is the best ally of Pakistan, have always supporting Kashmir (no matter secular or conservative gov.) Our relationship goes back 1,000 years. So that should answer your question, let's move on from this.

Pretty much the whole Sunni Islamic world (85% of Muslim world) is aghast at the antics of Assad, his military, and Iranian proxies in Syria. They are massacring, raping, and brutalizing innocent people, including kids and women. There is no justification for that. It is the exact same repeat what these Iranian proxies and Najaf militias did in Western And Northern Iraq to Sunni Arabs, Turkmen, and Kurds.

You are going to have a very difficult time in convincing us, since we see with our very eyes and personal accounts what is happening in Syria. Refugees are streaming into Muslim countries from Syria, most of them are seeking shelter in Turkey.



Daesh is an Israeli-US project. The stage was set to bring in agents from all over the West and train them in Israel, then the US dropped weapons, tanks, abandoned facilities in their hands.

Assad never faced any threat from Daesh, and Daesh fought against mainly only FSA in Syria. When the time was up, US ditched them for PKK, and Russia joined the terror financing and recruitment for PKK as well. KSA, UAE, Iran are all united behind PKK as well. We even have French and German Christians fighting their Crusades via PKK against Turkey.

If you look at the Middle East, Turkey is the only democratic and representative state in the region, all others are autocratic and suppress their people. Turkey offers an alternative model of independence and freedom for the Muslim world, coupled with Turkish military might and Sunni Islamic civilization, it has now become a symbol for Muslims all around the world.

From Palestine, Libya, Somalia, Tunisia, Qatar, Afghanistan, Pakistan, CARs, Southeast Asia we can see all eyes are on Turkey, which is the only Muslim nation to successfully pull itself out of defeat and demoralization from colonialism.

90% Sunni Syrian population deserves to have freedom to live their lives free of Shia sectarian death squads and Assad regime torture centers.



It is not a good PR tactic. Muslim actors in India and Black actors in Hollywood did not stop racism and discrimination of their communities from the majority in their nations. Look today at the bloodbath against Muslims in Gujurat and New Delhi by Hindu radicals. Even Shahrukh Khan can't get a flat in Mumbai due to his religion.

I don't think Turkey is supporting ETIM, rather that is CIA and India. Recently one of their Twitter accounts was posting against Kashmir and against Afghan Taliban to discredit Pakistan. They employ agents from those countries to run US, Indian propaganda like they did in Tibet.

However like other Pakistanis, I also believe CIA is funding propaganda against China in Xinjiang and most of it is misinformation. That however is a different topic than Syria.

Why avoid the point about dostum? You can say a thousand good about turkey but it doesn't take away the fact , turkey protects a murderer for its own selfish interest which is against the Interest of Pakistan. There is no dispute for dostum as a war criminal.

 

[925boy]

But as of today, everyone is using them. Mention 1 military power that using them??everyone is funding proxies!! But Irans recruitment from Pakistan was weird, but war makes people act and think differently.

Actually I am generally pro-Shia, and Iranian actions are not beyond judgement.

The vast majority of Muslims find Iranian actions of using Shia militias reprehensible.

 

[925boy]

And he must account for Wahhabist funding of AQ, ISIS, and other proxy terrorist groups. We are only getting 1 sided accounting here. Smh.

If you are going condemn Iranian meddling in Syria you should also condemn Turkish meddling as that's been more costly to the Syrian nation and caused Turkish reputation as regional power to falter

 

[925boy]

According to pro "Syrian Sunnis"( living outside Syria ) , Assad and SAA have has been fighting ghosts since 2011. Hard world out there.

According to Iranians, we just imagined the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria.

 

[Nasr]

To Pakistanis who consider themselves Muslims:

1. Syrian conflict began with a contrived rebellion, under the zionist sponsored "Arab Spring." The same way zionists have sponsored and have been the architect of colored revolutions in Eastern Europe's former Soviet states.

2. Pakistanis should be intelligent enough to make the distinction between a zionist and a Jew. A zionist wears the disguise of a Jew, a Christian or a Muslim, to camouflage their true agenda.

3. Syria, like Iraq, or Yemen, or Afghanistan, has been ravaged by war because the zionists have exploited the Sunni-Shia divide.

4. Pakistan's only true ally has been China. And Pakistan has only benefited from China's open support for our country. None, be it Turkey, Saudi regime, Emiratis, Qataris or other GCC states, could ever measure to China, as Pakistan's friend and ally.

5. No Muslim country's leadership/government should trusted by Pakistan as genuine to Islam, if that country's leadership does not openly challenge the illegal and illegitimate state of israel. In particular, militarily.

6. Turkey is NOT Pakistan's ally. Turkey is playing a very dangerous game in Syria, Iraq and Libya by doing exactly what zionist-america, zionist-britain and zionist-france have done over the past hundred years to Muslim countries.

7. Opposing Turkey does NOT make you an "Assad Loyalist", or an "Pro-Iranian". It is a filthy tactic used by some yuppies on this forum to put you on the defensive.

8. Iran ... if Iran is fundamentally brutal toward Sunnis and has openly abused, cursed or disrespected the Rashidun. Then Iran too is NOT an ally of Pakistan. But if Iran shows openness and is conducive to dialogue and is genuine in it's efforts to seek true rapprochement with Sunni Pakistan. Then Pakistan should engage Iran with a positive frame of mind.

9. Even still, if Turkey refrains and desists from supporting terrorists, and genuinely asks the Muslim World and the International Community to mediate peace in Syria. By supporting the reconstitution of Syrian territory, whole. And then initiate dialogue with international partners to establish a framework whereby Syrian people choose their new government. This would show that Turkey is genuine and Pakistan engage with Turkey in this positive approach.

10. Arab Countries Iran and Turkey can prove their sincerity toward the Muslim World, if they can work toward a united front in taking israel head-on, be it militarily or politically. Any sign by any of these countries' leaderships' that show harmony and positivity toward Muslim United Front, is something that Pakistan can actively engage in.

If circumstances or countries do not fall within these 10 Point Framework of identifying allies from foes. Then the answer should be simple, Pakistan should at all costs, NOT engage with any partner nations, period!!!

Finally, to conclude, Pakistanis ... the enemy is israel. Any Muslim country that does not oppose israel militarily, should be considered a zionist-slave. Turkey doesn't, Egypt doesn't, Saudi Regime doesn't, Qatar doesn't ... put it simply, none of them would dare lift a finger against israel, while israel systematically exterminates Palestinians and would get away with demolishing Masjid Al-Aqsa & Qubrat-ul-Sakhra. The only country that israel $hits it's pants when it comes to the destruction of Masjid Al-Aqsa & Qubrat-ul-Sakhra, that country is Pakistan. And israel knows, that the only country that would actually be capable of launching a full scale nuclear strike on israel, is Pakistan. This is why zionists have had NATO Military in Afghanistan for the last 18 years. This is also why the CIA along with Mossad and RAW, have been unilaterally be waging proxy terrorist war to destabilize and balkanize Pakistan. Turkey is a Trojan Horse, when it comes to the Muslim World. Iran ain't no saint either. But if these two countries' leadership have any genuine intent toward Muslim World. Then they would focus on challenging israel, united as one.

I do not hate Turkey or Iran. I remember back in the 1980s when my aunt was part of the delegates which went to Ankara, along with Iranian delegates. There, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey had hoped to construct an ambitious network of Highways and Railways to connect the three countries with open border and Visa free travel. I believe it was referred to as the RCD (Regional Cooperation for Development). I had wished that this would've made one of the most powerful alliances in the entire world. Economically and Militarily. However it was not to be. Today the world has changed, people have changed and time has proven that all that is good, cannot sustain between good people.

So my fellow countrymen, brothers and sisters in Islam, do not be fooled by some who are blind in their propaganda and venomous in their hatred. Tomorrow holds Turkey's fate in Syria and the Arab World's fate in Palestine, whereas Iran's fate hinges on whether it would actually be honest enough and brave enough to address and resolve the Sunni-Shia divide to unite the Muslim world.

I finish my post by correcting a despicable individual, who seems to think he knows Imran Hosein, when he doesn't. He lies through his teeth, because he has some hatred for this Scholar of Islam. I know Imran Hosein better than anyone on this forum. Also, it is incredibly disappointing to know that there such vile, filth-minded people, who stoop to any low, in order to lead others astray.

Imran Hosein was NOT a student of Dr. Israr Ahmad, he did follow his lectures and did visit Pakistan during Ramadan to Dr. Israr Ahmad's gatherings. Imran Hosein has only been one man's student and that is my grandfather, Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari.

This for you, pan-islamic Pakistan .... I am a Muslim and I love my Islam and my Pakistan. I follow my heart, and strive for my heart to be guided by God. I am not one of those individuals who seeks enemies, but I will stop at nothing to defend Islam, to defend Pakistan. So go ahead, say your worst, abuse anyone you wish and misguide others with your nonsense. No matter how hard you try, there will be more Muslims who will stand up and will call out the bull$hit others spew to misguide people.