Huawei stole our tech and created a 'backdoor' to spy on Pakistan, claims IT biz

[Beast]

Your sentiments are appreciated but why should WE ignore Pakistani Americans in terms of investments in Pakistan? Pakistani diaspora contribute a lot to Pakistani economy. This is not sound logic.

Everything is not to be painted with same brush. Things do not work like this.

While you think Huawei and China has no contribution to Pakistan infrastructure? China treat Pakistan as equal partner and not slave and master r/s like US with other countries.

 

[Maula Jatt]

While you think Huawei and China has no contribution to Pakistan infrastructure? China treat Pakistan as equal partner and not slave and master r/s like US with other countries.

But that doesn't mean we should forget our diaspora

It's not a zero sum game is it?

 

[Beast]

But that doesn't mean we should forget our diaspora

It's not a zero sum game is it?

Your diaspora is serving American interest 100% while Pakistan 0%. Please understand this concept. They are not here to build r/s but to exploit Pakistan.

China and Pakistan are neighbor. It is China to benefit if Pakistan prosper well. USA is 10000km away from Pakistan. Pakistan life or death doesn't concern US. All US care is to sabotage anybody working with China to ensure US imperialism legacy continue in future.

 

[KAL-EL]

Your sentiments are appreciated but why should WE ignore Pakistani Americans in terms of investments in Pakistan? Pakistani diaspora contribute a lot to Pakistani economy. This is not sound logic.

Everything is not to be painted with same brush. Things do not work like this.

^^ this ..

extremely pragmatic and rational response.

 

[serenity]

So sounds like BES sent Huawei the software they want to integrate into the product Huawei will deliver to Pakistan.

The BES company wanted to access Huawei's laboratory and was denied and so BES requested Huawei delete their software which Huawei needs to integrate with their hardware for the finished product? Since Huawei refuse to delete, this is the trade secret part of accusation. It can allow Huawei to change the software and have backdoors which can serve as entry points into the data Pakistan authorities upload?

It can allow Huawei to put backdoors in but we don't know if it has put any.

If Huawei doesn't use the contractor's software then how can they implement it with the product?

Maybe this contract should just end and another company can provide the hardware if they are not satisfied. The other company will 100% place backdoor for the USA. China might request Huawei place backdoor and maybe it doesn't. But we already know every USA provided one has backdoor and even to their allies like Germany. Our smartphone, Apple devices, Microsoft, Google Cloud, Amazon speaker and smart TV all spy for NSA and CIA. Huawei might spy for China as well since they have the ability to. Maybe less drama if Pakistan chooses another supplier and BES will still have to provide the software the Pakistan government want to the new supplier.


BES may be Pakistani American operated but it is an American company. I don't think they will mind an American or European company become the supplier and integrator for Pakistan government rather than let Huawei do it.

 

[serenity]

Seems like terrorist attacks are not enough they will use the same tricks. Basically do everything with exaggeration but will not use war because USA not so comfortable going to war even if they want it. American people will not be able to tolerate it. This is the path they choose instead.

Anyway I wrote in another thread on this topic.

So sounds like BES sent Huawei the software they want to integrate into the product Huawei will deliver to Pakistan.

The BES company wanted to access Huawei's laboratory and was denied and so BES requested Huawei delete their software which Huawei needs to integrate with their hardware for the finished product? Since Huawei refuse to delete, this is the trade secret part of accusation. It can allow Huawei to change the software and have backdoors which can serve as entry points into the data Pakistan authorities upload?

It can allow Huawei to put backdoors in but we don't know if it has put any.

If Huawei doesn't use the contractor's software then how can they implement it with the product?

Maybe this contract should just end and another company can provide the hardware if they are not satisfied. The other company will 100% place backdoor for the USA. China might request Huawei place backdoor and maybe it doesn't. But we already know every USA provided one has backdoor and even to their allies like Germany. Our smartphone, Apple devices, Microsoft, Google Cloud, Amazon speaker and smart TV all spy for NSA and CIA. Huawei might spy for China as well since they have the ability to. Maybe less drama if Pakistan chooses another supplier and BES will still have to provide the software the Pakistan government want to the new supplier.

BES may be Pakistani American operated but it is an American company. I don't think they will mind an American or European company become the supplier and integrator for Pakistan government rather than let Huawei do it.

 

[Raider 21]

BS news.... Just like the fake Uyghurs news...

Manufactured in Washington, Tel Aviv, and Delhi

Uighur Muslims are getting exterminated. The Pakistani government cannot have a say about it yet....

 

[serenity]

Personally I hope Huawei just cancels this contract. Let Americans spy on Pakistan whatever. CPEC the Americans must destroy along with BRI.

This is exactly the same as before when they demand European countries ban Huawei from building their 5G network. Even in Australia they took down Huawei 4G equipment for some time. Cost a lot of money and suddenly the connections barely had 4G available for some months. Then costs still the same price or more despite should be coming down. Replaced with new Ericsson equipment even for 4G on many networks.

It is not about Huawei and China spying. They can do that but it's about USA not being able to spy as effectively as before. Anyway Europe is theirs who cares about it. Huawei just loses lots of money because they are not allowed to win the contracts. In return, we buy less Euro stuff over time. Germany is the most worried about losing Chinese market and so Merkel is most neutral to China in all of Europe.

One step to destroy BRI and CPEC is through media about neo colonialism and another is using terrorism if possible. Then always say China will spy on you if you use Huawei. Okay go use American then and pay more too for 100% spyware. Neutral countries in South East Asia I remember Australia sending many packages to make Papua New Guinea and some other in ASEAN meetings sway from China and using Huawei. Sometimes it works when you pay people sometimes it doesn't.

China understands the game they are playing. The problem for them is Huawei doesn't need contracts around the world. Even half is more than enough. As long as we build China's it's fine with us. USA constantly attacks us but we are too busy to retaliate with similar low shots now. Can USA stop China rising? It keeps on failing. We see new desperate attempts every week but every one in last three years have failed. When you find something that is successful, then maybe we will retaliate. Right now you keep failing and we are too busy to do much because still a lot left for us to do and improve.

 

[serenity]

Jews are exterminating Palestinians and the Saudi government isn't allowed to say anything about it yet. They are exterminating Yemeni people and no one is allowed to say anything yet.

Australia soldiers kill Afghani men and children for fun and we are not allowed to say anything about it. Chinese cartoonist draw one factual cartoon about it and Australians cry for months complaining about China. Sometimes when these white men draw cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) it is all jokes huh? Don't be so sensitive. But Chinese cartoonist is not allowed to draw real war crime done by Australians.

Americans killed millions of Muslims and support so much Middle Eastern wars against others. We are not allowed to condemn them.

But some prisons in China cannot have Uighur people? You only have five or six photos of real prisons in Xinjiang with Uighur people inside. Well aren't there also hundreds of prisons in USA with black people? Imagine if China said Black people are targeted for genocide in America which actually happened in the past.

Also for the real terrorists, thousands and thousands of Chinese Uighurs went to Syria to fight with ISIS and other terror groups. They come back and create foundations within China for that? Do you think China has no right as sovereign independent country to do what it considers best to deal with that threat? We just have re-education camps to find if there are any extremists. France does this too. How come no one is allowed to say anything about France? We don't send war to Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan and do not threaten others with war to deal with our terrorism problem. If you are a Muslim on the side of those extremists, then of course you are angry on China about it that China does not allow terrorism and those thinking to take over and have power. For the rest of China and Chinese people, we want stability and no terrorism.

 

[Beast]

@LeGenD

Please merge this thread with the already existing one! Thank you.

Uighur Muslims are getting exterminated. The Pakistani government cannot have a say about it yet....

Say the devil....

 

[LeGenD]

While you think Huawei and China has no contribution to Pakistan infrastructure? China treat Pakistan as equal partner and not slave and master r/s like US with other countries.

If two friends are fighting in 'my' backyard, my approach would be to intervene and cool both sides. This is how I see it between BES and Huawei.

Chinese investments have nothing to do with Pakistani American investments on a broader level. These are two separate developments, and I would value both.

Also, it looks like you didn't check the link I shared. Huawei brought BES into Lahore Safe City project for technical reasons and the two are fighting now. How is this helpful to Pakistani customer in the mix?

Data Privacy is something GOP should take very very seriously. Would you want 3rd party snooping in your system without your permission? You grant limited access rights to the System Provider to provide System Support as per licensing terms.

It is important to understand what type of contract this is, and who is responsible for the mess. It is Pakistani customer who will suffer otherwise.

American tools and technologies are in use everywhere. How can Pakistan ditch them? There are virtually countless users of Android and Windows on personal level for instance. All should be ditched coz PAK - China relations? Irrational thoughts TBH.

This is why every issue should not be painted with country brush.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Uighur Muslims are getting exterminated. The Pakistani government cannot have a say about it yet....

it might be UK or Canadian issue not ours.

 

[Cash GK]

Huawei stole our tech and created a 'backdoor' to spy on Pakistan, claims IT biz
Allegations of purloined trade secrets, unfair competition, national security threats, and more packed into lawsuit
Thomas Claburn in San Francisco
Fri 13 Aug 2021 // 01:54 UTC
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Updated A California-based IT consultancy has sued Huawei and its subsidiary in Pakistan alleging the Chinese manufacturer stole its trade secrets and failed to honor a contract to develop technology for Pakistani authorities.

The complaint [PDF], filed on Wednesday in the US District Court in Santa Ana, California, describes how Business Efficiency Solutions, LLC, (BES) began working with Huawei Technologies in 2016 to overhaul the IT systems available to the Punjab Police Integrated Command, Control and Communication Center (PPIC3) of Lahore, capital of the Punjab province of Pakistan.

The legal filing claims, among other things, that Huawei has used BES’s Data Exchange System "to create a backdoor and obtain data important to Pakistan’s national security and to spy on Pakistani citizens."
The PPIC3 project, as described in the legal filing, was part of an initiative formulated by the Punjab Safe Cities Authority (PSCA), a provincial government body. Its goal was to modernize the technology available to local police.

The request for proposal (RFP) called for proposals describing the design of eight software systems:

Data Exchange System (DES), for storing data from national identity cards, excise and customs, cellular providers, land and tax records, immigration and passport records, and the like.
Building Management System (BMS), for managing building security, environmental systems, and access.
Resource Management System (RMS), for managing police resources, like vehicles and equipment.
Digital Media Forensics Center (DFC), for managing captured video and still imagery from the police network.
Learning Management System (LMS), for workforce training and support.
Media Monitoring Center (MMC), for monitoring the internet (social media), print, and broadcast.
Field Assets, including Mobile Emergency Command and Control Vehicles (ECV), for keeping track of command vehicles, handheld and laptops for field use, body cameras, and covert miniature cameras.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV), for managing industrial-level drones for real-time surveillance.
According to the complaint, authorities in Pakistan invited various companies to submit proposals, including Motorola, Nokia, and Huawei.
Huawei, it's alleged, lacked the technical capability to provide the systems called for by the RFP and so, in March 2016, it partnered with BES to develop the eight software systems. BES's work on the project is said to have been instrumental in PSCA's decision to award the project to Huawei for $150m.

Huawei also began to use one of BES’s software systems to establish a 'backdoor' from China into Pakistan that allowed Huawei to collect and view data important to Pakistan’s national security and other private, personal data on Pakistani citizens
Huawei is said to have obtained BES's low-level designs for these systems and then resisted paying BES while seeking similar police modernization contracts – without involving or paying BES – in several other cities in Pakistan, and in Qatar, Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia.

"After Huawei had BES’s valuable trade secrets and other intellectual property in its possession, Huawei used its knowledge of BES’s technology to begin secretly procuring certain portions of BES’s software systems from other sources – including from vendors BES identified to Huawei," the complaint says
Huawei also began to use one of BES’s software systems to establish a 'backdoor' from China into Pakistan that allowed Huawei to collect and view data important to Pakistan’s national security and other private, personal data on Pakistani citizens."

"Backdoor" may not be the right term, though it's difficult to be certain without knowing the details of the system's technical architecture. In the complaint, the term is used to describe a duplicate of the PSCA's DES running on servers based in a Huawei facility in Suzhou, China. Whether that copy arises from a covert remote access capability or an overt replication option under indifferent or permissive security policy isn't clear.

Pattern of behavior claimed
Among the exhibits entered into evidence with the complaint is a March 28, 2017 email from BES CEO and founder Javed Nawaz asking a contact at Huawei to obtain written approval from the Punjab police (PPIC3) that they're willing to store their sensitive data in China.

"In regards to setting up the environment in Suzhou in China, we want to insure [sic] that PPIC3 has no objection in transfer of this technology outside of PPIC3 for security reasons," the message from Nawaz says. "Please get an approval from PPIC3, in writing, prior to us performing this function. Our staff is on way [sic] to PPIC3 and will await instructions before updating DES on to servers in China."

The reply received the following day said that no approval is necessary. The complaint indicates that Huawei subsequently said it had received approval from the Pakistani government, but provides no documentation to that effect.

"Huawei threatened to terminate the agreements between the parties and withhold all payments owed to BES unless BES installed the duplicate DES system in China," the complaint says. "In light of Huawei’s affirmative representations that they had the approval of the Pakistani government, the duplicate DES system was installed in China.

"On information and belief, Huawei-China uses the proprietary DES system as a backdoor from China into Lahore to gain access, manipulate, and extract sensitive data important to Pakistan’s national security."

The Register asked multiple communications personnel from Huawei to comment on these claims, and we received no response.
However, we cannot recall any company ever admitting to operating a deliberately backdoored system – we assume Huawei would describe the alleged DES duplicate, if still operational, as a test environment and would insist it keeps its client's data safe.

When such allegations have surfaced in the past, Huawei has denied them. Last year, during the Trump administration, US authorities claimed that Huawei can covertly access its telecom equipment. But evidence to that effect, if it exists, has not been made public.

The BES lawsuit cites a past instance, described in an April 8, 2019 BBC report, in which the PSCA told Huawei to remove Wi-Fi cards from a CCTV system in Pakistan because the cards had been set up to provide remote diagnostic information – which a Huawei representative at the time characterized as "a misunderstanding" and the BES complaint describes as a "covert backdoor to monitor Pakistan citizens using Wi-Fi chips."

The BES legal filing also points to trade secret theft indictments against Huawei in 2019 and in 2020 by the US Justice Department to bolster its claims.

It's also possible that Huawei did receive approval from Pakistan to maintain a clone of a sensitive police database in China and has chosen not to provide that to BES. In that case, the redundant DES in China might be better described as an unusual display of trust for the storage of sensitive information than as a "backdoor."

In any event, in 2018, Huawei filed an arbitration petition in Islamabad, Pakistan, and obtained an injunction preventing BES from terminating its contract with the telecom firm. BES last September filed its own arbitration petition to recover damages and is now pursuing its trade secret and unfair competition claim in California. ®

Updated to add
In an email sent to The Register after this story was filed, a Huawei spokesperson said, “In September 2018, Huawei Pakistan filed for arbitration in District Courts (West), Islamabad against Business Efficiency Solutions (BES) over ongoing contract disputes. This arbitration resulted in an interim relief order in Huawei’s favor. The arbitration process is still ongoing.

“We do not comment on on-going legal cases. Huawei respects the intellectual property of others, and there is no evidence Huawei ever implanted any backdoor in our products.”

So apple and Samsumg do as well. Even Microsoft does as well.. half truth **** man

 

[beijingwalker]

US claims Chins stealing this and that, nothing new. We all know who is the biggest collector investing billions gathering other countries secrets.

 

[LeGenD]

@LeGenD

Please merge this thread with the already existing one! Thank you.

Say the devil....

Done.