How Vietnam Can Stop the South China Sea ADIZ

[rott]

China ruled Mongolia far longer. If you want to include modern era, Congress or BJP regime would need another 930 years to claim legitimacy of India since the Greeks, Persians, Afghan, Turks, Mongols and British ruled India for a 1000 years. I love your self-deprecating humor.

Welcome back, bro. It's been a while.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Vietnam can nothing. As in nothing.

 

[4GTejasBVR]

A couple of ballistic DF15 will knock all the teeth out of all the Brahmos, a short range clone of the Russian P-800 Oniks.

BTW why should Vietnam even bother to buy Brahmos when they can purchased the original Russian P-800 Oniks which is in fact a downgrade Granit.

First you learn more about both the missiles ... And good luck with ur luck against Bramos... lol

Lol China will lose a land war vs Vietnam. Alright only fool can believe Vietnam alone will defeat China.


Only Indian big mouth can never match their capacity.

I just quoted the recent history... Wonder what made you think History is false and your bravado is right ?

China ruled Mongolia far longer. If you want to include modern era, Congress or BJP regime would need another 931 years to claim legitimacy of India since the Greeks, Persians, Afghan, Turks, Mongols and British ruled India for abt 1000 years. I love your self-deprecating rhetoric.

Lol As if India just existed only for last 1000 years ? How funny you are so excited about China but so far disgraceful to ur masters of your culture India

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Too much sabre rattling by keyboard warriors from a certain "who cares" country.

Vietnam should announce own ADIZ. With sanctions gone, rapid capacity building can happen.

how much is Vietnam willing to spend? 10 billion? 100 billion? We can raise to match then double it, without raising taxes 1 cent. How big is Vietnam's economy though?

 

[jha]

how much is Vietnam willing to spend? 10 billion? 100 billion? We can raise to match then double it, without raising taxes 1 cent. How big is Vietnam's economy though?

Doesnt work that way, does it ? In asymmetric warfare, you dont spend 1 dollar to counter your enemy's dollar. A single missile costing 1 Million can sink a 100 million dollar ship.

If Vietnam can buy 1000 missiles for say, 3 Billion, just imagine what kind of damage can this do. Vietnam's enemy will think 100 times before embarking on an adventure if they know that Vietnam has 500 top class AshMs ,500 top class LACMs and say same quantity of LRSAMs/MRSAMs.

With sanctions gone, such "defensive" systems will be available to Vietnam on "attractive financial options".

 

[S10]

I heard Vietnam can land a man on the sun and colonize Jupiter's surface.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

First you learn more about both the missiles ... And good luck with ur luck against Bramos... lol

Thanks for your advise. Well Brahmos the so-called joint venture is in fact a downgrade Russian P-700 Ganit or an MTCR compliant export version by Russia to India P-700 Oniks.

China can similarly offers its supersonic anti-ship and cruise missile Chaoxun-1 (CX-1) which is also in compliant to MTCR with slightly better performance to Brahmos at a much cheaper price.

The performance Brahmos cited is only meant for 3rd World nations like Vietnam and Philippines. It is certainly NO threat against the weaponries of the major power. Good luck if India succeed in exporting the overly rated Brahmos (of course by Indian fanboys) in view of the fact Russia can easily offer Vietnam the original version.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

don´t test our resolve. don´t make thing you regret later.

What is Vietnam's resolve?

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Doesnt work that way, does it ? In asymmetric warfare, you dont spend 1 dollar to counter your enemy's dollar. A single missile costing 1 Million can sink a 100 million dollar ship.

If Vietnam can buy 1000 missiles for say, 3 Billion, just imagine what kind of damage can this do. Vietnam's enemy will think 100 times before embarking on an adventure if they know that Vietnam has 500 top class AshMs ,500 top class LACMs and say same quantity of LRSAMs/MRSAMs.

With sanctions gone, such "defensive" systems will be available to Vietnam on "attractive financial options".

Asymmetric warfare? Did you says buy? So you think Vietnam is equal to China or North Korea is equal to USA.


Fact No.1: Superpower or Regional Power China can easily destroyed all these ground facilities with their ballistic Missiles.

Fact No. 2: Vietnam status as an independent nation is very still very vulnerable as PRC can easily reannexed Vietnam and re-establish its former Province of ANNAM. Don't forget the French colonialized a Chinese territory called ANNAM and later gave it its INDEPENDENCE. It is not unusual for European to return stolen relics and artefacts from China back to her. Why not China reannexed what belongs to her in the first place.

Fact No.3 In a single day sometimes in Feb 2015, China Navy launched warships with tonnage that is bigger than the entire Vietnamese Navy.

Fact No.4 TPPA will NOT help Vietnam or the states Obama deemed as obedient. Why is Vietnam also participating in China initiative e.g. AIIB or RCEP if she really trust the American. It will all be over for when Trumps take over. USA is in fact a very protectionist nation. USA will have to bail in (Not bail out) its foreign debts before she ever become great again.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

(Removing usual Chinese loud-mouth rhetoric aside ) I did mention "attractive financial options". US/Japan and other "friendly " countries can very well afford to loan 3 Billion Dollars for 1500 such missiles. Loan may be repaid in 10-15 years. Hell, they can even gift this much considering their "close" relationship with your country. However I am pretty sure Vietnam can afford this amount.

Even if these nations are willing to loan you a substantial of of what we deem as future bad debts, can these nations afford to pay back in view of their economy that is dependent in the case of Vietnam of her big neighbor China, the world largest or 2nd largest consumer market. Don't make me laugh.

Histories tell us SUPERPOWER dominated. USA is now on the wane and only losers will crowd to loser and not winner. I am not talking about war even.

What has any of the crap you have written above, got to do with my original post on Vietnam's capacity building ?

Now you wanted to stick to the topic. Then stick to it if you deviated, I am game.

 

[jha]

Thank you for amusing me. I have more important thing to attend to.

My pleasure.. Have a nice day..

Each time I see Indian's comment, it really make me laugh and these emoticons are very helpful to express my feeling instead of typing (hahahahahahah)

And again you're delude yourself, if that's the case, why they buy Kilos subs, destroyer and Su-30 , you talk like missles are the solution of modern warfare.

They can use those Kilo Subs, Frigates and Su-30s (in addition to land based launchers) to fire those missiles . How difficult is that to understand ?

 

[AlyxMS]

Why are you again bringing India in discussion ? Stick to Vietnam..

Okay, let's stick to Vietnam.

So you are suggesting the west to gift billions to them in order for Vietnam to purchase and maintain over 1,000 missiles.

Good, let's say the US and Japan cut off some spending from healthcare and infrastructure to do that while its citizen wondered "WTF?".

And Vietnam became the world's largest missile cache.
Because not a single person had experience operating them.

Surely the US can spare some more and give them the proper training.
Fantastic, Vietnam spent some 1-2 years to make the missiles combat ready while China moved a few SRBMs and cruise missiles around and collected some intel via satellites and stuff to make sure most of them will not fire when a war breaks off.

After that, China maintains the status quo and it is business as usual.
But for Vietnam, there are over 1000 missiles they needed to maintain and have active personnel at all times.
Well, surely the US can cover this cost because the US is so rich that it doesn't care if a couple dozen millions go missing.

So all that billions of spending just turned into a none stop bleed hole in the national reserve's wallet.
(And since Vietnam doesn't have the sufficient R&D capability, after 20 years all these missiles will be non-functioning or obsolete)
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Wait, you think China can just maintain the status quo with Vietnam?
There is going to be a war!
And when there's a war, those 1,000 missiles will be put into good use.

Well if China is not invading Vietnam, the status quo will be maintained.
Unless... Vietnam attacks first.
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Scenario 1: Surprise attack from Vietnam!
Likely Initial outcome: The majority of PLAN's south china sea fleet will be sunk and PLA's military based in the area will suffer losses. No force can stand against hundreds of missiles.

And then PLA's SRBM will suppress missile launch sites, and PLA's army and airforce will move in, and after that we can think about if there will be a country named Vietnam anymore.
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Scenario 2: Evil China invades Vietnam!

-Wait, why would China do that?
-I don't know, because they are evil!
-Okay... I guess.

Trying to use lots of missiles instead of actual army, navy and air force to defend a country has been Taiwan's strategy ever since China gained in upper hand in military strength. And PLA's strategy is developed just to counter that.

So PLA can just use the same strategy against Vietnam. SRBM's against missile launch sites and airfields while marines establish landing sites.

Except... Vietnam shares a borderline with China. There's no need for marines to risk approaching from sea. PLA's massive army can just roll in with some AA support. (Subsonic LACM poses little threat with proper AA)

That doesn't mean the marines will just sit and watch. Vietnam's territory is thin and stretched. One breaking point from the middle will cut of Vietnamese military's supply chain completely.

Before Vietnam knew it, the war has already been lost.
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So why is the US spending billions just to gift Vietnam over 1000 missiles again?

 

[TaiShang]

More platforms for Vietnam to tinker about. But, I do not think these are intended for VN. Coast Guard will be enough to keep it in check and good manner.



China commissioned two Type 904 series AORs 15 July believed named Huong Hu (963) & Rulienan Hai (964)

 

[dy1022]

for Sino - Viet war, China tortured Vietnam for more than 10 years time, 10 Viets to trade 1 Chinese, Vietnam lost more than 300K in the 10 years time,Northern Vietnam without living Man. China destoryed Vietnam's Economic, Industry, wet Indo-China dream crashed.

Vietnam had to set up million of Army and supporters among the border of Vietnam-Sino, every season and Year, China's artillery rocks all over the North of Vietnam. Vietnam was bleeding in everyday, hundreds of KM2 land of Vietnam belongs to China right now, 10 years' torture made a fatigued Vietnam, USSR needs to spent 1 million USD to support Vietnam everyday.

Vietnam begged for China's mercy after 1985 and signed the agreement in 1990- ChengDu China. Same time as USSR gonna collapsed very soon.

 

[3Kingdoms]

for Sino - Viet war, China tortured Vietnam for more than 10 years time, 10 Viets to trade 1 Chinese, Vietnam lost more than 300K in the 10 years time, China destoryed Vietnam's Economic, Industry, wet Indo-China dream crashed.

Vietnam had to set up million of Army and supporters among the border of Vietnam-Sino, every season and Year, China's
artillery rocks all over the North of Vietnam. Vietnam was bleeding in everyday, hundreds of KM2 land of Vietnam belongs to China right now, 10 years' torture made a fatigued Vietnam, USSR needs to spent 1 million USD to support Vietnam everyday.

Vietnam begged for China's mercy after 1985 and signed the agreement in 1990- ChengDu China.

Your funny, because you invaded Vietnam for US goodies including loans; tech equipment; entry to Western markets; spied for US against your Russian brothers. And shamefully asked the US back into the South China Sea, after Vietnam evicted the US from the south you asked them to dispatch navy to Yulin base Hainan.
China = made in the UShttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id...ve to the stability of Southeast Asia&f=false
China's whole history is based on deception (Qin Shi Huang son of a merchant who used deception to his gain power) - but you only fool yourselves not Vietnam.