How Turkey got LUCKY with the F-35?

[Zhukov]

• You do realize that the USAF has a ton of other military assets besides the F-22 and F-35, right? In fact, if you were to remove ALL the F-22s and F-35s today, USAF would still remain the world's most powerful Air Corce by a long margin. They're not relying on the F-35 at all. At least not yet or in the near future.
• Also, it wasn't a simple choice between F-35 and S-400 for Turkey. Turkey HAD TO go with the S-400 due to continued US hostility towards Turkish interests.

1 - F35 is the future of USAF. All current 4.5th gen planes will be replaced in near future.
2-Seriously? S-400 was that necessary to procure? against whom do you think this S400 will be usable, Greece and Cyprus? are they that much of a Threat to TAF. USA will never invade Turkey. And if it does no one can do anything about it. Only Serious threat to Turkey is Russia in my Opinion. Can you use Russian S400 against RAF?
Turkey should have participated in MEADS or similar NATO led program. If i am not wrong, THAAD is already deployed in Turkey.

 

[WarDaddy97]

And more interestingly, why are you pretending to be American?

You can barely speak English. Are you naturalized?

Let me point out your poor grammar
Since you’re not connecting sentences you should have wrote more interestingly without and.
To be American or AN American?
Dumbass , made 2 mistakes in one sentence
Btw, do you know the difference between speak and write?
Enjoy another American product-google translate- my autistic imbecile

1 - F35 is the future of USAF. All current 4.5th gen planes will be replaced in near future.
2-Seriously? S-400 was that necessary to procure? against whom do you think this S400 will be usable, Greece and Cyprus? are they that much of a Threat to TAF. USA will never invade Turkey. And if it does no one can do anything about it. Only Serious threat to Turkey is Russia in my Opinion. Can you use Russian S400 against RAF?
Turkey should have participated in MEADS or similar NATO led program. If i am not wrong, THAAD is already deployed in Turkey.

During Obama admin, turks wanted to procure Patriot but Washington would not give them TOT.
So they went and bought russian garbage. Then it turned out that russkies sold them s400 without TOT.
I don’t know what to make of it

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

During Obama admin, turks wanted to procure Patriot but Washington would not give them TOT.

It was never about the TOT. We needed an ADS for almost the past 30 years yet whenever we tried to buy Patriots, the US tried to kill time with thst and we didn't have an ADS for almost 30 years thanks to that. You have no knowledge yet you come here and talk shit. Here's what your president thinks about that:

Trump admits US made mistake not selling Patriots to Turkey, says Turkish foreign minister - World - TASS
Here's what our foreign minister said about the S-400s:

"We received a recent proposal from the United States, but it doesn’t guarantee that United States will be able to sell Patriots to Turkey, because we couldn’t get it for last 10 years. That’s why we had to buy from Russia. And we tried to buy from other allies as well. It didn’t work," he said.
"So it is an urgent need of Turkey," Cavusoglu said. "Because of the threat in the neighborhood. Everybody has missiles," he added.
"NATO is not capable enough to cover our airspace yet, not only the Turkish," the foreign minister stressed dismissing US and NATO reasons that the S-400 systems were incompatible with Western systems.
"No, not at all," he answered.
"It [the S-400] doesn’t have to be integrated to the NATO system, and this is not our aim. This is for our own use," Cavusoglu explained.

So, next time before you come here and talk shit based on your biased opinions; at least do some research about it.

 

[Zhukov]

It was never about the TOT. We needed an ADS for almost the past 30 years yet whenever we tried to buy Patriots, the US tried to kill time with thst and we didn't have an ADS for almost 30 years thanks to that. You have no knowledge yet you come here and talk shit. Here's what your president thinks about that:

Trump admits US made mistake not selling Patriots to Turkey, says Turkish foreign minister - World - TASS
Here's what our foreign minister said about the S-400s:

So, next time before you come here and talk shit based on your biased opinions; at least do some research about it.

Don't you think Purchase of S-400 was more of a political move to create sphere of influence in Russia rather then adding to capability of Turkish air defenses?.
Give an honest opinion lets not be biased with political affiliations. Turkey is a NATO member. THAAD is even deployed in countries like UAE and Japan.
US have active military base in Turkey. Should i believe that Turkey could not have acquired any western Air defense option in collaboration with other Western Countries. You guys have access to the best and top notch defense tech from most developed couturiers and Economy to finance any joint venture. Yet we see Russian S-400 in your inventory?
Russians are notorious for not giving the best version of their weapons systems for Export.
Is s-400 Sold to Turkey with TOT?

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

Don't you think Purchase of S-400 was more of a political move to create sphere of influence in Russia rather then adding to capability of Turkish air defenses?.
Give an honest opinion lets not be biased with political affiliations. Turkey is a NATO member. THAAD is even deployed in countries like UAE and Japan.
US have active military base in Turkey. Should i believe that Turkey could not have acquired any western Air defense option in collaboration with other Western Countries. You guys have access to the best and top notch defense tech from most developed couturiers and Economy to finance any joint venture. Yet we see Russian S-400 in your inventory?
Russians are notorious for not giving the best version of their weapons systems for Export.
Is s-400 Sold to Turkey with TOT?

Oh boy you're very naive Being in NATO doesn't automatically bring protection. If US were putting air defences on every base of theirs, then why there were no ADSs on the US bases in Iraq when Iran hit them? I repeat, it was never about the TOT. Then why did we went on and bought a Russian system that would work as standalone if we had the access to the best western systems? Before the S-400, we had to select the Chinese one then NATO put pressure on us and made us cancel the deal, but they did not give any preferable bids. NATO has been killing our time for almost 30 years and made us weak on the air defence intentionally. Even today we are trying to buy Patriots while we have the S-400s. If so, then why don't you put pressure on the NATO instead of us? I repeat it again, you have no knowledge about the topic yet you come here and talk with your biased opinions. At least make some reasearch about it before doing that.

 

[Bismarck]

Raptor is not for sale so suck it.
Besides our weapon systems speak for themselves. We are number 1 in military hardware/software sales for God knows how many years. Hence “other countries” and your crocodile tears and butthurt are irrelevant to me.

Not all of your stuffs are superior than ours. Tanks, submarines, rifles, some missile typs. We are able to counter you.

And more interestingly, why are you pretending to be American?

You can barely speak English. Are you naturalized?

As you should know, every American is an immigrant, expect from the natives.

 

[IceCold]

Underestimate F35 at your own peril, rest assured it will take you out before any one knows or detects it's presence.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Underestimate F35 at your own peril, rest assured it will take you out before any one knows or detects it's presence.

LOL. It can't even reliably take off from the ground.

 

[IceCold]

LOL. It can't even reliably take off from the ground.

Please spare me the BS propaganda. You have no clue about it's true capabilities other than what is known in public domain,a most of what is filled by conspiracy and nonsense.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Please spare me the BS propaganda. You have no clue about it's true capabilities other than what is known in public domain,a most of what is filled by conspiracy and nonsense.

And you do? Then please enlighten us!!?? What capability are you talking about, exactly, that a modern, capable foe like Russia or China cannot easily defeat?

 

[IceCold]

And you do? Then please enlighten us!!?? What capability are you talking about, exactly, that a modern, capable foe like Russia or China cannot easily defeat?

A simple common sense and a search on statistics would tell anyone about American military industrial complex it's superiority over the rest of the world including China and Russia which are only now playing catching up and not the other way around. For e.g when did the Americans deployed first stealth fighter /bomber and where was the rest of world in comparison? While the Russians and Chinese have only started now to develop low observable crafts, US had decades ago and put them in actual combats. From F117 to F22 to B2 deployed in combats. Their background in this field alone tells me not to underestimate the likes of F35 and that too based on YouTubes. F35 might be a failed project that can't properly take off but let me know once the rest of the world has anything remotely comparable.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

A simple common sense and a search on statistics would tell anyone about American military industrial complex it's superiority over the rest of the world including China and Russia which are only now playing catching up and not the other way around. For e.g when did the Americans deployed first stealth fighter /bomber and where was the rest of world in comparison? While the Russians and Chinese have only started now to develop low observable crafts, US had decades ago and put them in actual combats. From F117 to F22 to B2 deployed in combats. Their background in this field alone tells me not to underestimate the likes of F35 and that too based on YouTubes. F35 might be a failed project that can't properly take off but let me know once the rest of the world has anything remotely comparable.

I don't need lectures about the US military industrial complex. I know how advanced they are but also how corrupt they are. We all saw the failures of "stealth" in the Bosnian war when the Serbs downed an F-117, resulting in the retirement of the whole fleet. Sure, stealth may have been more developed since then, but so are radars that can detect it. Look up "meter wave radars" for instance for a quick glimpse into what's available.

Again, I have to ask, what spacial "capabiity" does the F-35 have that makes it invincible to a technologically advanced foe like Russia and China? I've been asking this question for years with no satisfying answer in return. All I get is a bucket full of irrelevant bullshit like your rant above.

Just because something is new, expensive and shinier doesn't mean it's better. Let me give you all an analogy.

America's Shuttle Program was significantly more expensive and "advanced" (both in technology and concept) than Russia's Soyuz capsules which date back to the 50's, yet the Soyuz outlasted the shuttle program and proved waaay more successful. It's still in use today and even the Americans themselves are using it.

 

[IceCold]

I don't need lectures about the US military industrial complex. I know how advanced they are but also how corrupt they are. We all saw the failures of "stealth" in the Bosnian war when the Serbs downed an F-117, resulting in the retirement of the whole fleet. Sure, stealth may have been more developed since then, but so are radars that can detect it. Look up "meter wave radars" for instance for a quick glimpse into what's available.

Again, I have to ask, what spacial "capabiity" does the F-35 have that makes it invincible to a technologically advanced foe like Russia and China? I've been asking this question for years with no satisfying answer in return. All I get is a bucket full of irrelevant bullshit like your rant above.

Just because something is new, expensive and shinier doesn't mean it's better. Let me give you all an analogy.

America's Shuttle Program was significantly more expensive and "advanced" (both in technology and concept) than Russia's Soyuz capsules which date back to the 50's, yet the Soyuz outlasted the shuttle program and proved waaay more successful. It's still in use today and even the Americans themselves are using it.

And I am not giving one, just don't expect everyone to fall for this BS of F35 being a failed plane. As for Bosnia,please it has been debunked numerous times before. It was a one time lucky shot. The Serbs knew the takeoff patterns of NATO and they started firing missiles in the air like crazy. None of the radars ever got a lock on the F117.
If you had known anything about the American military complex you wouldn't had argued. Saying they are corrupt does not change the fact that they still are the world super power. If you had bother to read the accounts of numerous Pilots who have gone up against F35, F22 than you would had realized what you are up against. As I recall the statement was like this "even when we could see the planes from naked eye, our radars failed to lock on. What does that tell you.
Stop spreading nonsense based on YouTube and start appreciating the extent to which the Americans have mastered this technology even if you dislike them. This will help you better prepared instead of being overconfident and as a result being underprepared.
PS I am no fan of US but that does not mean I will not appreciate their technology superiority. At the very least it will give my country a fighting chance because we know exactly what we are up against should the shit ever hits the fan

 

[Pax Ottomana]

And I am not giving one, just don't expect everyone to fall for this BS of F35 being a failed plane. As for Bosnia,please it has been debunked numerous times before. It was a one time lucky shot. The Serbs knew the takeoff patterns of NATO and they started firing missiles in the air like crazy. None of the radars ever got a lock on the F117.
If you had known anything about the American military complex you wouldn't had argued. Saying they are corrupt does not change the fact that they still are the world super power. If you had bother to read the accounts of numerous Pilots who have gone up against F35, F22 than you would had realized what you are up against. As I recall the statement was like this "even when we could see the planes from naked eye, our radars failed to lock on. What does that tell you.
Stop spreading nonsense based on YouTube and start appreciating the extent to which the Americans have mastered this technology even if you dislike them. This will help you better prepared instead of being overconfident and as a result being underprepared.
PS I am no fan of US but that does not mean I will not appreciate their technology superiority. At the very least it will give my country a fighting chance because we know exactly what we are up against should the shit ever hits the fan

You have no idea what the F you're talking about. If you're seriously so gullible to believe everything Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon tells you, then I've got some Iraqi WMDs to sell to you. Stop being so naive.

If a fighter pilot sees the F-35 with his naked eye while his radar doesn't, then he needs a radar that works. Simple as that. This is obvious bullshit that you normally wouldn't eat up without questioning if you weren't such an American fanboy. Stealth doesn't make a plane "invisible", it makes it low observable to radio waves of certain frequencies, which, by the way, ANY modern radar should detect in WVR ranges.

No one is saying US military isn't superior. We're saying the F-35, specifically, isn't. After 2 decades of development, it still has more problems than anyone can count. So much so that even Canada, America's northern neighbor, said screw it and left the program. Why don't you go tell THEM what a technological marvel the F-35 is.

 

[UkroTurk]