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Close enough...no f-5 pilot.
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Close enough...no f-5 pilot.
still better than an armchair general.Close enough...
At best, I'm an armchair fieldmarshalstill better than an armchair general.
Elaborate this tactical situation grand master....how did the Chinese plane fell behind the F35 evading its radar, the AWACS and EW support,,?...Believing that F35s will hit every target from a far distance is a crap, isn't it?
For example, F35s entered the depths of a country (China, İran etc.) for operation and there are no airplanes in the air at that time, or hiding in a mountainous area. And the Chinese plane fell behind the American plane. How they thinks to defend themself without dogfight. Can anyone explain this?
F-35 is only useful against pajama-wearing, AK-wielding insurgents in countries like Iraq and Syria. It has no chance operating against a well-financed, advanced military like Russia, China, or any other G20-level country, who have the capability to develop or purchase "meter wave radars" that can pick planes like the F-22 and F-35 apart from hundreds of miles away.Believing that F35s will hit every target from a far distance is a crap, isn't it?
For example, F35s entered the depths of a country (China, İran etc.) for operation and there are no airplanes in the air at that time, or hiding in a mountainous area. And the Chinese plane fell behind the American plane. How they thinks to defend themself without dogfight. Can anyone explain this?
If something works theoretically, maybe it will work in practice. But if something doesn't work theoretically, it doesn't work surely in practice.
Until s400 shoots down or tracks f35, we're all talking smack. I don't think Israel would buy crap tbh. Overpriced as it may be. But let's just wait and see. No need to cry over spilled milk.
F35 is good but not that good. It's hyped up a lot and does not do anything new that other jets can't already do.
F16 is still the most versatile jet out there, and best value for money.
What Turkey lacks with the F35, they make up with improvised stealth capabilities on F16.
Good example of this is when Turkey shot down two Syrian Su-24 last month. Turkey used their F16 to launch AMRAAM AIM-120C at Syrian jets and then turned all its radar off. The Turkish F16's sent a datalink to a nearby Boeing 737 E-7 AEW&C, AMRAAM's were guided by the radar of E-7 AEW&C to the target while F-16 was invisible to the radar of Syrian jets. The Su-24 likely did not even know they were being fire upon until the radar in the AMRAAM turned on seconds before impact and the Su-24 RADAR warning receiver even had a chance to detect what was happening.
In a dogfight, an F16 with a good pilot is better than an F35 with a good pilot.
US officially admits that performance of F35 is worse than the F16 but they claim it doesn't matter because nowadays its all about tactical stealth and US believes the age of dogfights is over. Hopefully nobody is stupid enough to believe that. This is basically a way of saying that US knows that an F35 will lose to an F16 if it finds itself in a dogfight where stealth capability is useless against an F16 that can outgun it on performance metrics.
Stealth doesn’t help when dogfights are still common, and as long as that is the case, F16 will always have an edge over the F35. F35 relies on being far away and having stealth but is not an agile jet with high power-weight ratio. F35 cannot get too close to its target or it will have a hard time escaping a more agile jet like F16. The closer an F35 gets to an F16, F35 becomes more vulnerable and F16 becomes more lethal. This is why F35's are typically escorted by other jets for defense but F16 can attack on solo mission.
Dogfights aren't going away any time soon, and the advantage of an Israeli F35 will be worth nothing if it gets into a dogfight against an F16. Stealth doesn't matter in dogfights, only the pilot's skills. F16 is a pilot's plane and F35 isn't. If an Israeli F35 ever gets shot down, I expect it to be at the hands of a more agile Turkish F16.
Also Turkey has drones anyway which are much more effective and cheaper than both F16 and F35.
Ultimate troll would be if one day Turkey makes their own drone fighter that shoots down an F35 some day.
In a dogfight, an F16 with a good pilot is better than an F35 with a good pilot.
Turkey's defense budget is over US $ 18.97B (2018.). Spending an amount of US $ 20 billion to buy 100 Su-57s with TOT is very easy. This amount can be paid in installments over a period of 2-4 years.
well , his idea is not validno f-5 pilot.
well , in the best days , Russians won't sell their third rate fighters without major downgrading.
They probably won't sell any good fighter to countries which can use them against the core of their country like Turkey and Iran , which they also have bitter history with both of them ...
The best thing you can hope to them is TOT of Su-30 or some years later, TOT of su-35 . Although in meanwhile they simply can use you as a card in their relation with the west and withdraw from the project ....
Example : Iran Shafagh project which was a joint project we started in 2001-2003 with Russians, in middle of it, they simply pull out and even refused to sell RD-33 engine to us ...
Believing that F35s will hit every target from a far distance is a crap, isn't it?
For example, F35s entered the depths of a country (China, İran etc.) for operation and there are no airplanes in the air at that time, or hiding in a mountainous area. And the Chinese plane fell behind the American plane. How they thinks to defend themself without dogfight. Can anyone explain this?
If something works theoretically, maybe it will work in practice. But if something doesn't work theoretically, it doesn't work surely in practice.
No country is willing to transfer information related to engine and material technology. But Russians now desperately need money.
Iran instead of buying the engine directly, could spend 2 billion usd to hire the Russians to design a new engine and receive TOT
Producing reliable turbo fan engine in mass quantity (at lease 100 -200 engine per year) need industrial base worse of trillion dollars ...
Iran is sanctioned and cannot buy some specialized alloys and materials which will force us to spend more additional money in discovering and creating material we need which is even harder than designing the engine itself ... the funny part is that after producing the alloy you need , you have to spend time and money to learn " how I should shape this alloy that I created !? "
That is asymmetric war. So Iran invested all its money in rocket development and building underground tunnels.This is a very effective strategy
That is asymmetric war. So Iran invested all its money in rocket development and building underground tunnels.This is a very effective strategy
In the past, Vietnam chose to buy israel's Galil assault rifle, not Russia's ak-100. Because of the cheaper price of Israel, another reason is that Israel is willing to transfer more technology to Vietnam. However, there is no way to 100% homemade because the Vietnamese industry is not strong enough to create suitable steel billets. And neither country is willing to transfer technology related to metallurgy
he said due to new and sophisticated ECM, towed decoys, jammers... simply radar guided missiles will lose their effectiveness.well , his idea is not valid
he said due to new and sophisticated ECM, towed decoys, jammers... simply radar guided missiles will lose their effectiveness.
also he had an other point, he said if stealth was/is the magic solution for every thing then why f-22 has maximum AoA of 70 degrees, turn rate of +35 degrees and +1 thrust/weight ratio??