How to Overtake the Indian Armour ?

[Jango]

Interesting analysis. Just wondering why you left out Navy in all this.

BTW, how you will locate the IBG? To hit them you need there precise location while they are "supposed" to be agile? China can help you with sats, but as of now you are not integrated with them for real-time feed.

Next Q, who controls the trigger in PK? If I am not wrong, PA has the control. If IN does not cross border and uses its Navy and AF only, for whatever they achieve or not, how will PA will respond? If IA fights a defensive war, what PA will do?

I guess you are aware that it will take atleast 12-hr before PK can launch any Nuclear missile. I am not sure even Nasr the Nuclear Warhead mated with missile. Not that PK cann't do that. Maintenance and Security will be headache.

Now lets assume PK uses its Nuke card. Well you can not fire all your warhead like 1-2-3. I am novice, but I on't think your first wave will be of more than 10 warhead. Lets assume you are successful in that. What that means?

Hitting IN armed forces at 10 points will not give you anything. And if you hit civilian target than you are still left with military might of IN to deal with. After this IN has to make play. What if IN does not uses its Nukes? And uses all its conventional firepower against PK.Do you think even your all weather friend CN will come to to your rescue in that case. Well IN can take time to do whatever with PK with its own leisure time. After being the victim of PK nukes, whatever we do using conventional means will not be contested. Atleast for sometime which is all we wil need.

PS: I read this somewhere
"Amateur talks strategy, professional talk logistics."

Its so true. There is a thread in about PK Rail Loco problems.
Look what IN is buying in last decade. Compare the amnt IN is spending on logistics enhancement v/s fighting platform

If IA fights a defensive war, then the whole Cold Start doctrine is dumped .

 

[Areesh]

Indian ABM has proven it can intercept all of Pakistani SRBM's and MRBM's soon we will test capability against IRBM's with PDV and AD interceptors

Yeh kab huva? When did this happen. In which war or conflict?

Where is the sticky thread for it.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Yeh kab huva? When did this happen. In which war or conflict?

Where is the sticky thread for it.

in 2009 a PAD missile intercepted a modified dual liquid and solid stage Prithvi missile with a range of 1,500km its trajectory was modified to mimic the M-11 and No-Dong missiles it was successfully intercepted we have already tested countless modified Prithvi missiles designed to represent your missiles e.g Abdali Ghaznavi M-11 No-Dong etc we will soon prove credible defense against your Ghauri 2 and Shaheen 2 missiles

 

[Zarvan]

we have showed the ability to intercept all Pakistani SRBM's and as for MRBM's the successful PAD test in 2009 involved a modified dual stage Prithvi missile one stage being liquid the other being solid its range was 1,500km total its trajectory was designed to fly like the No-Dong and M-11 missiles the test was successful currently we can intercept therefore we can intercept Ghauri 1 and Shaheen 1

Sir our Army is getting latest weapons and developing many of its own we have got MRLS from China as well developed our own and also we are getting and producing latest artillery some are open and and some are secrets so don't worry Indian if you want to attack let have it you will see our respond INSHALLAH and you will do a great favour to us first when army will respond to you if it will increase the image of Army secondly it will unite our nation again to kick some ***

 

[Areesh]

in 2009 a PAD missile intercepted a modified dual liquid and solid stage Prithvi missile with a range of 1,500km its trajectory was modified to mimic the M-11 and No-Dong missiles it was successfully intercepted we have already tested countless modified Prithvi missiles designed to represent your missiles e.g Abdali Ghaznavi M-11 No-Dong etc we will soon prove credible defense against your Ghauri 2 and Shaheen 2 missiles

So it was in a test you have proven the capability. OK!!! In that case Iran has also proven that it can annihilate Israel and USA.

 

[karan.1970]

If IA fights a defensive war, then the whole Cold Start doctrine is dumped .

Cold start doctrine is not the only strategy Indian military would have... Strategies are implemented to match the war situations and not the other way around

 

[ares]

So it was in a test you have proven the capability. OK!!! In that case Iran has also proven that it can annihilate Israel and USA.

"How do you know your missiles work and are not a dud(or will even make across the border)..afterall you have just tested them and have never fired your missiles your missiles in a war"..So sighting the above logic of yours ..can we conclude that your missiles are a dud??

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Sir our Army is getting latest weapons and developing many of its own we have got MRLS from China as well developed our own and also we are getting and producing latest artillery some are open and and some are secrets so don't worry Indian if you want to attack let have it you will see our respond INSHALLAH and you will do a great favour to us first when army will respond to you if it will increase the image of Army secondly it will unite our nation again to kick some ***

MRLS won't do crap to us strategically only on the battlefield it will make a difference and besides we already have SAM's to intercept any artillery rockets you have,

@bold part lmfao like what?

keep war rhetoric for the propaganda newspapers that circulate your BS conspiracy theories when your missiles are launched they will be intercepted and not to mention even if you guys manage to slip a missile or 2 past our ABM (even though highly unlikely) your warheads are 2KT in yield which will do nothing but maim us where as we have ability to completely turn your land into barren waste land with our higher yield warheads http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/134502-indian-ballistic-missile-warheads-yield-mass.html

Result of INDIA - PAKISTAN atomic war......... - YouTube

and your nation can't kick our a$$ it is your wet dream to do so but it will never happen even your media and analysts agree with this

or at least listen to your defense minister

We cannot match India militarily: Pakistan defence minister - YouTube

Pakistan army half strong in front of India - Truth by Pakistani Defence Minister - YouTube

 

[Jango]

Cold start doctrine is not the only strategy Indian military would have... Strategies are implemented to match the war situations and not the other way around

But the current scenario is of a Cold Start doctrine , no? That after a 26/11 or a similar attack, Indians might respond? Otherwise, why would Pakistan go on a all out offensive war against Indian side?

 

[Areesh]

"How do you know your missiles work and are not a dud(or will even make across the border)..afterall you have just tested them and have never fired your missiles your missiles in a war"..So sighting the above logic of yours ..can we conclude that your missiles are a dud??

Your tests of the "world's most effective" BDM system shows that they aren't dud. Or else who wants to waste money for countering dud's. Unless someone wants fill his pockets back in Bharat.

 

[Zarvan]

MRLS won't do crap to us strategically only on the battlefield it will make a difference and besides we already have SAM's to intercept any artillery rockets you have,

@bold part lmfao like what?

keep war rhetoric for the propaganda newspapers that circulate your BS conspiracy theories when your missiles are launched they will be intercepted and not to mention even if you guys manage to slip a missile or 2 past our ABM (even though highly unlikely) your warheads are 2KT in yield which will do nothing but maim us where as we have ability to completely turn your land into barren waste land with our higher yield warheads http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/134502-indian-ballistic-missile-warheads-yield-mass.html

Result of INDIA - PAKISTAN atomic war......... - YouTube

and your nation can't kick our a$$ it is your wet dream to do so but it will never happen even your media and analysts agree with this

or at least listen to your defense minister

We cannot match India militarily: Pakistan defence minister - YouTube

Pakistan army half strong in front of India - Truth by Pakistani Defence Minister - YouTube

Even USA don't claim the can detect all missile but Indians claim they are the champ but you will be humiliated in the battle field very soon if your army was so capable they would have attacked us after Mumbai but they know the reality

 

[Jango]

MRLS won't do crap to us strategically only on the battlefield it will make a difference and besides we already have SAM's to intercept any artillery rockets you have,

@bold part lmfao like what?

keep war rhetoric for the propaganda newspapers that circulate your BS conspiracy theories when your missiles are launched they will be intercepted and not to mention even if you guys manage to slip a missile or 2 past our ABM (even though highly unlikely) your warheads are 2KT in yield which will do nothing but maim us where as we have ability to completely turn your land into barren waste land with our higher yield warheads http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/134502-indian-ballistic-missile-warheads-yield-mass.html

Result of INDIA - PAKISTAN atomic war......... - YouTube

and your nation can't kick our a$$ it is your wet dream to do so but it will never happen even your media and analysts agree with this

or at least listen to your defense minister

We cannot match India militarily: Pakistan defence minister - YouTube

Pakistan army half strong in front of India - Truth by Pakistani Defence Minister - YouTube

The videos you mentioned,

The first one by a youtube fanboy, anyone can make a video, result of atomic war!

Then as for the last 2 videos, everyone here knew well before the statement of the Defence minister than Pakistan is much much smaller than India and hence has a smaller army. No prize there Sherlock.

 

[ares]

Your tests of the "world's most effective" BDM system shows that they aren't dud. Or else who wants to waste money for countering dud's. Unless someone wants fill his pockets back in Bharat.

I am just recounting your (not mine or rather Indian govt's) logic ..according to you the tests are not enough, the missile or antimissile should fired in war to prove they work.
So by this your missiles which have never been fired in a war should have big question mark next to them??

 

[Areesh]

I am just recounting your (not mine or rather Indian govt's) logic ..according to you the tests are not enough, the missile or antimissile should fired in war to prove they work.
So by this your missiles which have never been fired in a war should have big question mark next to them??

You can consider our missiles dud. I have no issues with that. The tests of AAD, PAD etc etc say something else.

I am yet to see effectiveness of any missile defense system let alone Bharat's.

 

[Black Widow]

Tell me one thing !
Pakistan can afford to use its all defense hardware against India or atleast 80 % ... But can India ?
We do not have 2 enemies so can/will bring all our troops ( not literally lol ) to Eastern border ... Surely you wont be moving every single aircraft or tank into Pakistan ... Some must be kept to deter China right or otherwise ?

1971 war: It was planned to be fought in December. Indira gandhi was sure that In winter season China won't attack (Due to cold in Himalayas). Thus We don't have to bother bout safety from Pakistan friend china...


There is something called planning, sometime its pass, sometime fails. We may make some plan to keep china out of war. And by the way Indo-Pak war don't go long. 1971 war went for 13 days, 1965 war was also for small duration. By the time china or USA (Pakistan's friends) will come, war will be over...