How to Overtake the Indian Armour ?

[Zarvan]

You guys cant even detect three helicopters within your airspace for more than a hour.

Sir for your kind information those were planes with stealth technology even your radars can't detect those helicopters sir post facts

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navy doesn't protect EEZ thats up to coast guard by your navy cant even protect its military aircraft from Taliban we won't even have to lay a finger if your entire military bases get f'd up by terrorists

and your Military might took 3 days to get those 10 idiots at least we don't take more than a day to wipe out some funny adventurers

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Sir for your kind information those were planes with stealth technology even your radars can't detect those helicopters sir post facts

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and your Military might took 3 days to get those 10 idiots at least we don't take more than a day to wipe out some funny adventurers

2 hotels with 900 rooms we spent most of the time rescuing hostages

oh and btw it takes us 3 days to get rid of terrorists in our territory and its been more than 6 years since North Waziristan has been occupied by terrorists and to this day it is still occupied by terrorists

lol get on our level then we will talk first take care of the terrorists who are butt fcuking you every day and bombing your civilians then try to get to us

btw you acknowledge your military is too weak to cause damage so you use terrorists to do your dirty work? but oh well its your civilians who pay for that the most i'm sure uncle sam is not hesitant who is below the drone

 

[nontaibeo]

I know Pakistan would not to believe but dealing with China is a most difficult, it's [China] always want to expending their teritory, to get enough for over 1 billion lives. China want to could be best friend with Pakistan, just because they want India land, and history that prove to the World know it.

Let's do this match, Chinese people is still live in poor and the China govement is really rich? They can not take a good care of the own people and how come they fully support for Pakistan with modern air fighters?

Chinese people still want to runs out that country, looking back before 1997 Hong Kong return back to China, the Main Land people are trying to do whatever it takes and even cost their lives to get in to Hong Kong.

Even now, HK is belong to China, but why it is not want to become 1 govement for 1 country?

It is must a reason for us to think of, not like the Western and US, even now all jobs are taken by China due to cheapest labors, their economic going down and bearly to recover but do you see people who lives their runing out their country?

Beware of China, the smooth hands for shaking that cover by gun powers and plans! We deal with it we know better than someone else.

 

[Zarvan]

2 hotels with 900 rooms we spent most of the time rescuing hostages

oh and btw it takes us 3 days to get rid of terrorists in our territory and its been more than 6 years since North Waziristan has been occupied by terrorists and to this day it is still occupied by terrorists

lol get on our level then we will talk first take care of the terrorists who are butt fcuking you every day and bombing your civilians then try to get to us

btw you acknowledge your military is too weak to cause damage so you use terrorists to do your dirty work? but oh well its your civilians who pay for that the most i'm sure uncle sam is not hesitant who is below the drone

Sir for your information people in North Wazirstan don't attack us they are mostly wazir tribe which never attacked Pakistan so why we should attack them on the orders of Uncle Sam because what ever we do Uncle Sam will never be happy with us and now you are his favourite so called ally and now he will try to use to make you believe you can stand against might of china and when you will be in trouble he will run away so good luck for your friend ship with Uncle Sam

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Sir for your information people in North Wazirstan don't attack us they are mostly wazir tribe which never attacked Pakistan so why we should attack them on the orders of Uncle Sam because what ever we do Uncle Sam will never be happy with us and now you are his favourite so called ally and now he will try to use to make you believe you can stand against might of china and when you will be in trouble he will run away so good luck for your friend ship with Uncle Sam

the people of NW don't attack you the Taliban militants there do though liberate your territory from these terrorists who occupy and use your land as shelter from American forces in Afghanistan

 

[Areesh]

the people of NW don't attack you the Taliban militants there do though liberate your territory from these terrorists who occupy and use your land as shelter from American forces in Afghanistan

Siddhu please shut up.

 

[Zarvan]

the people of NW don't attack you the Taliban militants there do though liberate your territory from these terrorists who occupy and use your land as shelter from American forces in Afghanistan

Sir they don't attack us and those wazir which I am talking about are the Talibans and you free you territory which are in control of Maoists first

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Sir they don't attack us and those wazir which I am talking about are the Talibans and you free you territory which are in control of Maoists first

our territory under maoist control are just a view districts in the eastern states which we are winning back through operation green hunt your entire NW frontier is ridden with TTP and other terrorists who launch attacks on your military/civilians weekly if not daily and maoists don't target our civilians nor do they do suicide bombings, destroy military aircraft, let alone hijack our GHQ....

 

[Areesh]

Sir they don't attack us and those wazir which I am talking about are the Talibans and you free you territory which are in control of Maoists first

Yaar stop answering his childish posts. The guy is a joke and is a complete mockery. Stop feeding him to troll. The guy is just ruining the thread and we shouldn't support his immature behavior by answering him. So leave it.

 

[Areesh]

It’s becoming like a weather forecast, sad to say, todays bombing kill 8, tomorrows 12 and predication for the weekend 3 blasts with 60 dead. I mean come on, they have to clean up their own backyard before they can start commenting about ours. :hitwall

Here comes another troll.

Defence.pk is getting infested with trolls.

 

[GORKHALI]

How to Annihilate the invading Indian Armour ?​

Introduction

Been thinking about it ever since my close friend in the east has been developing its so called "cold start doctrine" which was envisioned to "punish" Pakistan without sparking a full scale nuclear war.
India is currently giving final touches to this doctrine through mass exercises like "Operation Vijayee Bhava" involving some 50,000 troops , battle tanks , APCs and air support.

Introduction to Cold Start

Cold Start is a military doctrine developed by the Indian Armed Forces in 2004.It involves joint operations between India's three main services Army, Navy, and Air Force and integrated battle groups for offensive operations.

A key component is the preparation of India's forces to be able to quickly mobilize and take offensive actions.Keeping in view the perceived inability of the Indian military to leverage its conventional superiority to end Pakistan's proxy war in Kashmir, the Cold Start doctrine is intended to allow it to mobilize quickly and undertake limited retaliatory attacks on Pakistan, without crossing nuclear threshold.

Setbacks

The operational study of this doctrine suggests the use of Nazi Blitzkrieg technique which involves the use of all-mechanized force concentration of tanks, infantry, artillery and air power, concentrating overwhelming force at high speed to break through enemy lines.

This technique relies heavily on two major assets , if any of two is defeated completely the invasion would fail with heavy loses to Indian side.

1: Armor
2: Air power [Close Air Support]

1:Armor

Nasr Ballistic Missile

Recently Pakistan tested BRBM Nasr on 19th April 2011 as a response to India's cold start doctrine which is considered to be a game changer.

The Nasr Missile has a range of 60 Kms and The diameter of the Nasr suggests that it is designed to carry a tactical nuclear warhead weighing less than 1 kg. This would be a boosted fission device using less than 1 kg of weapons grade plutonium, boosted with up to 4-5 grams of tritium.

The resulting yield would be in the sub-kiloton range and would be suitable for battlefield use. A sophisticated nuclear trigger mechanism would also be required.The Hatf IX Nasr seems to prove that Pakistan is capable of building small nuclear warheads for all types of delivery platforms.

This missile can well be used against invading Indian tanks like the Russian T-90 series or the Indian made Arjun main battle tank. Even though there are risks of radiation involved , this missile can turn the cold start on its toes as according to defence analysts and missile technology experts the system appears to have been developed as a "low-yield battlefield deterrent" targeted at "mechanized forces like armed brigades and divisions."

Indian plans of using IBGs [Integrated Battle Group] won't be able to sustain a large number of Tanks , APCs , Howitzers along with the infantry into an efficient , effective fighting force as the Indian establishment hopes. This gives a tactical advantage to Pakistan Military services as they can mobilize all major assets to deter such an attack in a short period of time. Thinking of IGBs the number of Tanks is expected to be between 400-600 tanks excluding APCs and other forms of light Armour. The use of Nasr Missile could mean the destruction of most of these mechanized units or at least it would ensure the destruction of a large chunk of the Indian armor leaving others vulnerable and demoralized , unable to achieve their basic objectives.

Ans is Big No -NASR is now just for lower ranks generals consumption and infantry men.There is more than double the range much lighter Prahaar Tactical Battlefield missile in line of ATAC of USA.It's really a stupidity and idiocy of your generals to Use minature nukes on Indian IBG,the result will be Indian doctrine to start pounding Pakistan every city with much potent and larger nukes,which paksitan already know much better and even if you tried to fire BM with nukes ,this what AAD and PAD made for.

Babur/Raad Cruise Missile

Pakistan air force has a lethal , stealthy air launched cruise missile in its arsenal which could carry a 1100KG nuclear / conventional payload with a range of 350Kms which means all 15 forward Indian Air force bases , and Indian Army Installations are with in its effective range. Upon such invasion the Raad can take out vital command and control centers , communication infrastructure leaving the IBGs disconnected and isolated on the battlefield.

Babur Cruise missile has an effective range of 700kms and can carry a 1500kg Nuclear/chemical/biological/conventional payload , this missile has Indian Capital New dehli in its range for taking out any vital command and control structure ie Indian Ministry of Defense and Military HQ.

Are you nuts ??? 1100kg is total weight of so called ALCM.
Babur has a effective range of 700kms ,subsonic means their is hope to intercept from Indian missile shield ,you think Indian strategist are some dickh#ad??
Try to intercept bharmos(unstated range can be between 500-600km) and Shaurya

Mass use of Cluster Bombs

Pakistan produces its own cluster munitions and they are highly effective against the armor , Most anti-armor munitions contain shaped charge warheads to pierce the armor of tanks and armored fighting vehicles. In some cases, guidance is used to increase the likelihood of successfully hitting a vehicle.

Unguided shaped-charge submunitions are designed to be effective against entrenchments that incorporate overhead cover. To simplify supply and increase battlefield effectiveness by allowing a single type of round to be used against nearly any target, submunitions that incorporate both fragmentation and shaped-charge effects are produced.

Cluster Bombs seen on JF-17 Thunder.

Pakistan air force should not abandon its old fleet of Mirages and F-7s about to be replaced , they rather should be kept in storage , some in fly away condition if the need comes by , these air crafts can be used to attack the Indian IBGs with large quantities of cluster bombs which would annihilate the indian armor in its tracks.

Example.

Pakistan can produce cluster bombs ,it seems you guys underestimate everyone ..India got huge huge stockpile of these and yet to come 512 CBU-105 from USA.But you still going to use Cluster bomb on Indian armour which is not having aircover and SAM but in case of IBG this doesn't applies.1st come near to IBGs then think about dropping Cluster bomb.

ATGMs

ATGMs used by Infantry can prove fatal for the invading armor , the example can be taken from the Hizbullah attacks on the Israeli Markeva tanks. As well as the use of ATGMs by Egyptian army against the Israeli armor in Sainai desert.

NAG,MILAN 2T etc You guys light year behind .So no point to discuss.

2: Air Warfare

Another aspect of defeating Indian cold start is in the air , IAF would not deploy majority of its assets for such an operation , but we can expect them to deploy the advanced Su-30MKI , Mig-29SMT and Mirage-2000s. Expected Number could be between 150-300 combat jets , guided by Phalcon AWACS , mainly providing close air support and air defense against PAF.

PAF has an advantage of deploying its assets according to its will , the F-16C/Ds , Air Defense Units , JF-17 Thunders and upcoming J-10B fighter air crafts to provide air support and thwart Indian air assault.

Pakistan is in talks with the Chinese to buy up to 4 advanced High end surface to air missile systems , which are highly mobile and have long range strike capability. Ie the HQ-9 , KS-1A , HQ-18 and one undisclosed system , largely considered to be the anti radiation variant of HQ-9 the FT/D-2000 , used to shoot down AWACS on long ranges and high altitudes.

If PAF and Pakistan air defense units could destroy or damage half of this air strike team of the IAF , it would be considered as a defeat as those air crafts left wont be able to meet the demanding criteria of both CAS and Air defense.

You again talking baseless piece of crap.Why would we Deploy 300-400 Jets so early.In COLD start Doctrine??IBG would be supported by Upgraded Jaguars Darin 3 and Mig 27 to pound every other thing in its flight path.Specalised Ground attack aircrafts in Indian invetory,Jaguar is our version of A10 WARHOG,the tank busters.Trust me your PA knows this very much that it got nothing to defend against Jaguars.8 Jagaurs comes with air support that is 4 SU 30 mki or Migs ,forget about PAF to support your army when they already busy with IAF thrust from ever side not to mention NAVAL MIG 29K and Harriers pounding and spanking karachi at will (anything to defend these jets mate)... What you got to defend Akash SAM ,Barak SAM land version or even AAD or PDV too are SAM in real sense.Please In battle don't count what is yet to come ,yet to develop.Talk about what is there,what you got or what is coming in next 2 years .You see am not even talking about LCH.
Am not even talking about future procurement cause you again gonna feel the pinch

Conclusion

Limited numbers of armored vehicles , IFVs , tanks and fighter air crafts are the window of opportunity for Pakistan military , the success would totally depend on how quickly the assets are deployed in operational conditions and how effectively they are used against these so called IBGs.

Inflicting maximum numbers of casualties possible on the Indian infantry must also be considered , which in effect means the use of cluster bombs in large quantities , along with chemical and biological weapons if needed. Pakistan can defeat India but that all will depend on its preparedness and execution of this operation.

Regards: Aeronaut



* Feedback would be appreciated.

Conclusion aksitan army yet to find a way to stop Indian IBG thrust..

 

[Areesh]

If you point a finger at me there is 4 fingers point back at you. Look around in this forum most of the trolling are done by the Chinese and Pakistani members itself. Minorities are always subjected to scrutiny and vilification even if they speak the truth. Talk about double standards.

Troll.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

we have showed the ability to intercept all Pakistani SRBM's and as for MRBM's the successful PAD test in 2009 involved a modified dual stage Prithvi missile one stage being liquid the other being solid its range was 1,500km total its trajectory was designed to fly like the No-Dong and M-11 missiles the test was successful currently we can intercept therefore we can intercept Ghauri 1 and Shaheen 1

 

[Areesh]

1:Armor




Ans is Big No -NASR is now just for lower ranks generals consumption and infantry men.There is more than double the range much lighter Prahaar Tactical Battlefield missile in line of ATAC of USA.It's really a stupidity and idiocy of your generals to Use minature nukes on Indian IBG,the result will be Indian doctrine to start pounding Pakistan every city with much potent and larger nukes,which paksitan already know much better and even if you tried to fire BM with nukes ,this what AAD and PAD made for.

Babur/Raad Cruise Missile


Are you nuts ??? 1100kg is total weight of so called ALCM.
Babur has a effective range of 700kms ,subsonic means their is hope to intercept from Indian missile shield ,you think Indian strategist are some dickh#ad??
Try to intercept bharmos(unstated range can be between 500-600km) and Shaurya


Pakistan can produce cluster bombs ,it seems you guys underestimate everyone ..India got huge huge stockpile of these and yet to come 512 CBU-105 from USA.But you still going to use Cluster bomb on Indian armour which is not having aircover and SAM but in case of IBG this doesn't applies.1st come near to IBGs then think about dropping Cluster bomb.



NAG,MILAN 2T etc You guys light year behind .So no point to discuss.


You again talking baseless piece of crap.Why would we Deploy 300-400 Jets so early.In COLD start Doctrine??IBG would be supported by Upgraded Jaguars Darin 3 and Mig 27 to pound every other thing in its flight path.Specalised Ground attack aircrafts in Indian invetory,Jaguar is our version of A10 WARHOG,the tank busters.Trust me your PA knows this very much that it got nothing to defend against Jaguars.8 Jagaurs comes with air support that is 4 SU 30 mki or Migs ,forget about PAF to support your army when they already busy with IAF thrust from ever side not to mention NAVAL MIG 29K and Harriers pounding and spanking karachi at will (anything to defend these jets mate)... What you got to defend Akash SAM ,Barak SAM land version or even AAD or PDV too are SAM in real sense.Please In battle don't count what is yet to come ,yet to develop.Talk about what is there,what you got or what is coming in next 2 years .You see am not even talking about LCH.
Am not even talking about future procurement cause you again gonna feel the pinch



Conclusion aksitan army yet to find a way to stop Indian IBG thrust..

Conclusion: You are a fanboy and think only Indian weapons can kill the enemy while Pakistani weapons are cr@p and can't even injured the Indian soldier let alone killing them.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Indian ABM has proven it can intercept all of Pakistani SRBM's and MRBM's soon we will test capability against IRBM's with PDV and AD interceptors