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The "Muslim first" Obsession

The firebrand interior minister of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) party, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, made a typically nonintellectual gaffe in the National Assembly last week; but he will not be properly reprimanded for it. Khan stated in the course of his familiarly unbuttoned harangue condemning Bangladesh for having hanged a rapist leader of Jamaat-e-Islami: “I am a Muslim first and a patriotic Pakistani later.”

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No one in brainwashed Pakistan will realize how Khan has delegitimized the state of Pakistan he serves as its interior minister. By proclaiming his supra-state identity, he was in fact trying to place himself in a “moral position” to violate the sovereignty of Bangladesh which he could not do as a “patriotic Pakistani.”

The pan-Islamic Muslim label is routinely claimed by religious parties who want the Constitution of Pakistan changed to reflect faithfully the edicts of the true Shariah. Terrorists also claim the right to “correct” the “errant Pakistani state” on the basis of their superior Muslim identity.


Unfortunately, those, like Najam Sethi writing in The Friday Times, who have dared to criticize Khan for making himself supra-state, will be excoriated and subjected to the ignominy of being called American agents, thus laying them open to terrorist attacks—which may actually be carried out by another “Muslim-first”-believing policeman!

The Muslim-first slogan, of course, comes from the community of clerics who began in the early 20th century to reject the nation-state and nationalism. In fact, their jurisprudence rejects international frontiers and makes states who offend Islam fair game for their cross-border warriors. But the nation-state in which they live ensures equal rights to all Pakistanis, not to all Muslims.

That’s why if you ask a Pakistani Christian or Hindu about his identity he will forcefully assert his Pakistani identity. His embedded message is: “Please treat me at par with Muslims.”

Last year, Zakir Naik, a “renowned” Islamic orator of India, was on a TV channel talking to British Pakistanis about their identity. (His entry into the U.K. was thereafter banned.) He said why get embarrassed when the Brits ask you: “Are you a Muslim first or British first?” His solution to the dilemma concealed in this question was: ask a counter question, “Are you a human being first or a Briton first?” No one saw through the falsehood of this formulation: being human precedes even the Muslim identity and, therefore, bars Muslim Brits from claiming to be Muslims first.

Naik said: “Turn the tables, let the Brit be embarrassed. When asked this question, he will have to say he is a human being first. The situation created by this confusion will spare the Pakistani Brit the dilemma of a clash between his religious identity and his national one.” (Seriously? Using a cheap wit with false reasoning to legitimize the value of Islam? Anyone with common sense can see how he is denigrating Islam here, but how many do have common sense?) But what Naik said pertained to an issue that raises its head in Pakistan too. And none other than Pakistan’s interior minister has highlighted it.

I once conducted a TV debate in 2006 with an audience. Those who said they were Muslim first won by a 90 percent count. Pakistan is an Islamic state and all of us are Muslims; therefore, it is easy to say that we are Muslims first and then Pakistani. The Pakistan Movement should also support this thesis because we claim that Muslims had become a nation before they demanded a state.

But the nation-state poses a problem. Why do the non-Muslims insist on being Pakistanis first? The answer is that they want to be treated equally with other Pakistanis. If they emphasize their Christian or Hindu identity and put it before their Pakistani one, they might be treated unequally. The nation-state in Europe favors multiple identities and demands that all identities be treated equally. And for that, all those who live in the U.K. must call themselves British first.

The question arises: Why do only the Muslims as a minority insist that they are Muslims first? It is clear that unlike the Christian minority in Pakistan, they, as a minority group in non-Muslim countries, want to stand apart. What is hidden behind this gesture is a refusal to integrate and a nation-state is bound to clash if its various communities don’t integrate. And the trick is that expat Pakistanis in the U.K. know that the U.K. will treat them equally under law even if they don’t integrate.

Not so in Pakistan. The nation-state has wanted to gloss over secondary or tertiary identities to create unity. In Pakistan, the first problem that arose was linked to regional identities: Sindhi, Punjabi, Bengali, Baloch, Pakhtun, etc. The state wanted them to be only Pakistanis and said so. When it did not work, it abolished the provinces. Now as far as religious identities are concerned, Pakistan is overwhelmingly Muslim, and most of us don’t care if non-Muslims are treated unequally. If we were like the Brits, we would have said we are Pakistanis first.

But when in Pakistan you say “Muslim-first,” you in a way destroy the nation-state of Pakistan and place yourself in a position to violate the sovereignty of other Muslim states. That is what interior minister Khan did this past week. The nation-state is no utopia, but it is better than any other kind of state.

In Pakistan, the non-Muslim instinctively wants to integrate as a Pakistani; in the U.K. the Muslim minority wants to stand apart. There, the majority wants to be British first on the principle of equality; here the minority non-Muslim is appealing for equality as a Pakistani. The conclusion is simple: the majority community in Pakistan doesn’t much care if the non-Muslims are treated unequally.

Pakistan follows the rest of the Muslim world in thinking about the modern state. There was a time when it was normal for a Pakistani to say that he was a Pakistani first; now he says he is a Muslim first, little realizing that he is negating the modern state. Most of the states in the Muslim world began as modern states, but are now on the brink of choosing a pre-modern order that is a stranger to democracy.
 
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I see no problems with his Muslim first and later a Pakistani. As an individual, he has a right to be anything first and something else second. However, he needs to do his duties as state minister of Pakistan competently, is what matters.

In the context of BD hanging of JI leader, his statement was certainly inappropriate especially because he is a key minister. He has to be careful what to say in this key post whatever his personal views about religion are.

Even if he is a Muslim first, We need to ask him if he is a Muslim first then tell us what is the punishment in Islam for killings and rape and why should that sentence not be given to JI leader?

He could have raised issues, as rest of us have, whether alleged crimes were indeed committed by BD leader and about transparency of the trial. Still someone who is blamed for killings of hundreds of people might actually have killed a few, if politically motivated BD government stretched their allegations to the extreme.

Imran Khan gave a very balanced statement about this. And what Najam Sethi said in his show was actually very right, which does not mean that he will not toe the American line on other issues. Let us analyze every statement of Najam Sethi and his arguments carefully on our own and praise him when he is right and criticize him when he is wrong. Nobody should be an icon or authority of right or wrong.
 
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Yeah... When i look at my passport, birth certificate and NIC they all say "Pakistan". So for me it is always PAKISTANI first.

Islam is my religion, it is deeply personal and private... I don't need to announce to the world i am Muslim, I can show that by the righteousness of my actions.

Religion and state are separate things.
 
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To be honest I did not read the whole article just the first few lines. It seems one of those rant blogs

For me I am a Muslim first, everything is temporary in this world. When I would die, I wont take Pakistan with me. What I would take is my imaan, and by that I would be judged on the day of judgement, and my fate would be decided whether I go to heaven or hell. ( hopefully heaven) Inshallah.

Thus, imaan/faith, transcends everything. It is permanent, while everything else seems to be temporary ...
 
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wow....mind blowing article....Again one note is that ...That guy Zakir Naik...he is a another disturbing guy to whom India should keep watch on it....

The "Muslim first" Obsession

The firebrand interior minister of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) party, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, made a typically nonintellectual gaffe in the National Assembly last week; but he will not be properly reprimanded for it. Khan stated in the course of his familiarly unbuttoned harangue condemning Bangladesh for having hanged a rapist leader of Jamaat-e-Islami: “I am a Muslim first and a patriotic Pakistani later.”

000_Del6275515.jpg


No one in brainwashed Pakistan will realize how Khan has delegitimized the state of Pakistan he serves as its interior minister. By proclaiming his supra-state identity, he was in fact trying to place himself in a “moral position” to violate the sovereignty of Bangladesh which he could not do as a “patriotic Pakistani.”

The pan-Islamic Muslim label is routinely claimed by religious parties who want the Constitution of Pakistan changed to reflect faithfully the edicts of the true Shariah. Terrorists also claim the right to “correct” the “errant Pakistani state” on the basis of their superior Muslim identity.


Unfortunately, those, like Najam Sethi writing in The Friday Times, who have dared to criticize Khan for making himself supra-state, will be excoriated and subjected to the ignominy of being called American agents, thus laying them open to terrorist attacks—which may actually be carried out by another “Muslim-first”-believing policeman!

The Muslim-first slogan, of course, comes from the community of clerics who began in the early 20th century to reject the nation-state and nationalism. In fact, their jurisprudence rejects international frontiers and makes states who offend Islam fair game for their cross-border warriors. But the nation-state in which they live ensures equal rights to all Pakistanis, not to all Muslims.

That’s why if you ask a Pakistani Christian or Hindu about his identity he will forcefully assert his Pakistani identity. His embedded message is: “Please treat me at par with Muslims.”

Last year, Zakir Naik, a “renowned” Islamic orator of India, was on a TV channel talking to British Pakistanis about their identity. (His entry into the U.K. was thereafter banned.) He said why get embarrassed when the Brits ask you: “Are you a Muslim first or British first?” His solution to the dilemma concealed in this question was: ask a counter question, “Are you a human being first or a Briton first?” No one saw through the falsehood of this formulation: being human precedes even the Muslim identity and, therefore, bars Muslim Brits from claiming to be Muslims first.

Naik said: “Turn the tables, let the Brit be embarrassed. When asked this question, he will have to say he is a human being first. The situation created by this confusion will spare the Pakistani Brit the dilemma of a clash between his religious identity and his national one.” (Seriously? Using a cheap wit with false reasoning to legitimize the value of Islam? Anyone with common sense can see how he is denigrating Islam here, but how many do have common sense?) But what Naik said pertained to an issue that raises its head in Pakistan too. And none other than Pakistan’s interior minister has highlighted it.

I once conducted a TV debate in 2006 with an audience. Those who said they were Muslim first won by a 90 percent count. Pakistan is an Islamic state and all of us are Muslims; therefore, it is easy to say that we are Muslims first and then Pakistani. The Pakistan Movement should also support this thesis because we claim that Muslims had become a nation before they demanded a state.

But the nation-state poses a problem. Why do the non-Muslims insist on being Pakistanis first? The answer is that they want to be treated equally with other Pakistanis. If they emphasize their Christian or Hindu identity and put it before their Pakistani one, they might be treated unequally. The nation-state in Europe favors multiple identities and demands that all identities be treated equally. And for that, all those who live in the U.K. must call themselves British first.

The question arises: Why do only the Muslims as a minority insist that they are Muslims first? It is clear that unlike the Christian minority in Pakistan, they, as a minority group in non-Muslim countries, want to stand apart. What is hidden behind this gesture is a refusal to integrate and a nation-state is bound to clash if its various communities don’t integrate. And the trick is that expat Pakistanis in the U.K. know that the U.K. will treat them equally under law even if they don’t integrate.

Not so in Pakistan. The nation-state has wanted to gloss over secondary or tertiary identities to create unity. In Pakistan, the first problem that arose was linked to regional identities: Sindhi, Punjabi, Bengali, Baloch, Pakhtun, etc. The state wanted them to be only Pakistanis and said so. When it did not work, it abolished the provinces. Now as far as religious identities are concerned, Pakistan is overwhelmingly Muslim, and most of us don’t care if non-Muslims are treated unequally. If we were like the Brits, we would have said we are Pakistanis first.

But when in Pakistan you say “Muslim-first,” you in a way destroy the nation-state of Pakistan and place yourself in a position to violate the sovereignty of other Muslim states. That is what interior minister Khan did this past week. The nation-state is no utopia, but it is better than any other kind of state.

In Pakistan, the non-Muslim instinctively wants to integrate as a Pakistani; in the U.K. the Muslim minority wants to stand apart. There, the majority wants to be British first on the principle of equality; here the minority non-Muslim is appealing for equality as a Pakistani. The conclusion is simple: the majority community in Pakistan doesn’t much care if the non-Muslims are treated unequally.

Pakistan follows the rest of the Muslim world in thinking about the modern state. There was a time when it was normal for a Pakistani to say that he was a Pakistani first; now he says he is a Muslim first, little realizing that he is negating the modern state. Most of the states in the Muslim world began as modern states, but are now on the brink of choosing a pre-modern order that is a stranger to democracy.

To be honest I did not read the whole article just the first few lines. It seems one of those rant blogs

For me I am a Muslim first, everything is temporary in this world. When I would die, I wont take Pakistan with me. What I would take is my imaan, and by that I would be judged on the day of judgement, and my fate would be decided whether I go to heaven or hell. ( hopefully heaven) Inshallah.

Thus, imaan/faith, transcends everything. It is permanent, while everything else seems to be temporary ...

Interesting thoughts...Hmm...
 
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To be honest I did not read the whole article just the first few lines. It seems one of those rant blogs

For me I am a Muslim first, everything is temporary in this world. When I would die, I wont take Pakistan with me. What I would take is my imaan, and by that I would be judged on the day of judgement, and my fate would be decided whether I go to heaven or hell. ( hopefully heaven) Inshallah.

Thus, imaan/faith, transcends everything. It is permanent, while everything else seems to be temporary ...

How often is it that the law of the land interferes with your religious practice?

When such interference does not occur, from where does the need arise to compare and pit citizenship against religious affiliation?

The attitude you are showing shall be the attitude of a discriminated minority. For example, law of the land will forbid you from becoming the President of Pakistan unless you are a practicing Muslim - a Muslim defined per the Constitution of Pakistan. When a minority finds any such discrimination, it tends to redefine its religious identity even more radically.

An obvious example of such a minority are the Taliban, whose religious practices are hindered by the law of the land. The more hurdles they see in their religious practices/traditions, the more radical their thought process become.

But in your case, you are a practicing Muslim, very much the way it is defined in the constitution. So what is it that has prompted you to pit your religion against your citizenship?

Just as RescueRanger said in his post that State and Religion are separate, why is it that you cannot keep both without any internal conflict?
 
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How often is it that the law of the land interferes with your religious practice?

When such interference does not occur, from where does the need arise to compare and pit citizenship against religious affiliation?

The attitude you are showing shall be the attitude of a discriminated minority. For example, law of the land will forbid you from becoming the President of Pakistan unless you are a practicing Muslim - a Muslim defined per the Constitution of Pakistan. When a minority finds any such discrimination, it tends to redefine its religious identity even more radically.

An obvious example of such a minority are the Taliban, whose religious practices are hindered by the law of the land. The more hurdles they see in their religious practices/traditions, the more radical their thought process become.

But in your case, you are a practicing Muslim, very much the way it is defined in the constitution. So what is it that has prompted you to pit your religion against your citizenship?

Just as RescueRanger said in his post that State and Religion are separate, why is it that you cannot keep both without any internal conflict?


May I ask where you are from? If you are not a Pakistani, then feel free to shut up about Pakistan and stop being so obsessed with it....
 
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To be honest I did not read the whole article just the first few lines. It seems one of those rant blogs

For me I am a Muslim first, everything is temporary in this world. When I would die, I wont take Pakistan with me. What I would take is my imaan, and by that I would be judged on the day of judgement, and my fate would be decided whether I go to heaven or hell. ( hopefully heaven) Inshallah.

Thus, imaan/faith, transcends everything. It is permanent, while everything else seems to be temporary ...

Here in comes the trouble. You will have someone tomorrow that will convince you that to protect/preserve your Muslim identity, it is important to attack Pakistan. Unfortunately for Pakistan, there are enough people who are convinced such and are destroying it from the inside.
 
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May I ask where you are from? If you are not a Pakistani, then feel free to shut up about Pakistan and stop being so obsessed with it....
Neither am I a Pakistani, nor would I shut up.

Feel free to answer the questions I asked in my post. No obligations, of course.

So,
How often is it that the law of the land interferes with your religious practice?

And... When such interference does not occur, from where does the need arise to compare and pit your citizenship against your religious affiliation?
 
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To be honest I did not read the whole article just the first few lines. It seems one of those rant blogs

For me I am a Muslim first, everything is temporary in this world. When I would die, I wont take Pakistan with me. What I would take is my imaan, and by that I would be judged on the day of judgement, and my fate would be decided whether I go to heaven or hell. ( hopefully heaven) Inshallah.

Thus, imaan/faith, transcends everything. It is permanent, while everything else seems to be temporary ...
I guess being a Hindu I can't understand this adherence to tenets of Imaan. Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. I rarely go to temples, I don't observe any rituals, I don't celebrate any festival except major ones like Diwali and I still believe I am a Hindu. My Indian identity always transcends my Hindu Identity
 
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