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The "Muslim first" Obsession

The firebrand interior minister of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) party, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, made a typically nonintellectual gaffe in the National Assembly last week; but he will not be properly reprimanded for it. Khan stated in the course of his familiarly unbuttoned harangue condemning Bangladesh for having hanged a rapist leader of Jamaat-e-Islami: “I am a Muslim first and a patriotic Pakistani later.”

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No one in brainwashed Pakistan will realize how Khan has delegitimized the state of Pakistan he serves as its interior minister. By proclaiming his supra-state identity, he was in fact trying to place himself in a “moral position” to violate the sovereignty of Bangladesh which he could not do as a “patriotic Pakistani.”

The pan-Islamic Muslim label is routinely claimed by religious parties who want the Constitution of Pakistan changed to reflect faithfully the edicts of the true Shariah. Terrorists also claim the right to “correct” the “errant Pakistani state” on the basis of their superior Muslim identity.


Unfortunately, those, like Najam Sethi writing in The Friday Times, who have dared to criticize Khan for making himself supra-state, will be excoriated and subjected to the ignominy of being called American agents, thus laying them open to terrorist attacks—which may actually be carried out by another “Muslim-first”-believing policeman!

The Muslim-first slogan, of course, comes from the community of clerics who began in the early 20th century to reject the nation-state and nationalism. In fact, their jurisprudence rejects international frontiers and makes states who offend Islam fair game for their cross-border warriors. But the nation-state in which they live ensures equal rights to all Pakistanis, not to all Muslims.

That’s why if you ask a Pakistani Christian or Hindu about his identity he will forcefully assert his Pakistani identity. His embedded message is: “Please treat me at par with Muslims.”

Last year, Zakir Naik, a “renowned” Islamic orator of India, was on a TV channel talking to British Pakistanis about their identity. (His entry into the U.K. was thereafter banned.) He said why get embarrassed when the Brits ask you: “Are you a Muslim first or British first?” His solution to the dilemma concealed in this question was: ask a counter question, “Are you a human being first or a Briton first?” No one saw through the falsehood of this formulation: being human precedes even the Muslim identity and, therefore, bars Muslim Brits from claiming to be Muslims first.

Naik said: “Turn the tables, let the Brit be embarrassed. When asked this question, he will have to say he is a human being first. The situation created by this confusion will spare the Pakistani Brit the dilemma of a clash between his religious identity and his national one.” (Seriously? Using a cheap wit with false reasoning to legitimize the value of Islam? Anyone with common sense can see how he is denigrating Islam here, but how many do have common sense?) But what Naik said pertained to an issue that raises its head in Pakistan too. And none other than Pakistan’s interior minister has highlighted it.

I once conducted a TV debate in 2006 with an audience. Those who said they were Muslim first won by a 90 percent count. Pakistan is an Islamic state and all of us are Muslims; therefore, it is easy to say that we are Muslims first and then Pakistani. The Pakistan Movement should also support this thesis because we claim that Muslims had become a nation before they demanded a state.

But the nation-state poses a problem. Why do the non-Muslims insist on being Pakistanis first? The answer is that they want to be treated equally with other Pakistanis. If they emphasize their Christian or Hindu identity and put it before their Pakistani one, they might be treated unequally. The nation-state in Europe favors multiple identities and demands that all identities be treated equally. And for that, all those who live in the U.K. must call themselves British first.

The question arises: Why do only the Muslims as a minority insist that they are Muslims first? It is clear that unlike the Christian minority in Pakistan, they, as a minority group in non-Muslim countries, want to stand apart. What is hidden behind this gesture is a refusal to integrate and a nation-state is bound to clash if its various communities don’t integrate. And the trick is that expat Pakistanis in the U.K. know that the U.K. will treat them equally under law even if they don’t integrate.

Not so in Pakistan. The nation-state has wanted to gloss over secondary or tertiary identities to create unity. In Pakistan, the first problem that arose was linked to regional identities: Sindhi, Punjabi, Bengali, Baloch, Pakhtun, etc. The state wanted them to be only Pakistanis and said so. When it did not work, it abolished the provinces. Now as far as religious identities are concerned, Pakistan is overwhelmingly Muslim, and most of us don’t care if non-Muslims are treated unequally. If we were like the Brits, we would have said we are Pakistanis first.

But when in Pakistan you say “Muslim-first,” you in a way destroy the nation-state of Pakistan and place yourself in a position to violate the sovereignty of other Muslim states. That is what interior minister Khan did this past week. The nation-state is no utopia, but it is better than any other kind of state.

In Pakistan, the non-Muslim instinctively wants to integrate as a Pakistani; in the U.K. the Muslim minority wants to stand apart. There, the majority wants to be British first on the principle of equality; here the minority non-Muslim is appealing for equality as a Pakistani. The conclusion is simple: the majority community in Pakistan doesn’t much care if the non-Muslims are treated unequally.

Pakistan follows the rest of the Muslim world in thinking about the modern state. There was a time when it was normal for a Pakistani to say that he was a Pakistani first; now he says he is a Muslim first, little realizing that he is negating the modern state. Most of the states in the Muslim world began as modern states, but are now on the brink of choosing a pre-modern order that is a stranger to democracy.

I concur that I consider myself to be a Muslim first and a Pakistani second, but that is just my opinion as an average citizen, but this is not to say that I hold Pakistan in a lesser regard, Islam nurtures Patriotism, love and obedience for the head of state, however it is my opinion that the Minster should not have made such a statement at the time and place that he did, he just gave an excuse to all the critics to criticize him, but I cant help but notice a level of hypocrisy in the statement where was is ''Islamic Identity'' when Islam was under a real threat and at least his statement was needed....
 
That wasn't said by Gandhi. It was written in the mahopanishad, millennia before gandhi.

Thank you sir, for correcting me there.

I read it because Gandhi quoted it, so I attributed it to him. I am glad you pointed out the main source of the quote.
 
When was Islam under a real threat, and what kind of threat was it?

I hope you won't mind elaborating a little on that.

That is a common canard used by religious leaders to make common but gullible people do horrible things. Instilling a fear that their religion is under threat by some entity, and therefore they must go fight that entity. These days it is usually the west that is the opposing entity - 'islam is under threat by the west, so let's go do some jeehad!' or 'islam is under threat in syria, so pack your bags and load your kalashnikovs!'.

That's been used for ages, to make people fight unnecessarily. Even on this forum you will find loads of gullible fellows all eager to 'fight for islam', because they think it is under threat.
 
That is a common canard used by religious leaders to make common but gullible people do horrible things. Instilling a fear that their religion is under threat by some entity, and therefore they must go fight that entity. These days it is usually the west that is the opposing entity - 'islam is under threat by the west, so let's go do some jeehad!' or 'islam is under threat in syria, so pack your bags and load your kalashnikovs!'.

That's been used for ages, to make people fight unnecessarily. Even on this forum you will find loads of gullible fellows all eager to 'fight for islam', because they think it is under threat.


Actually, it would be interesting to note what specifically the claimant means by the term.

There are more or less three views on "threat to Islam".

1. It is a farce, created by leaders of the sheeple to legitimize their actions, whereas, in reality no such threat exists because it cannot exist.

2. Islam is under threat by the West (the most powerful bloc on this planet), or the Jews, or others who are conspiring to undermine the validity of Islam.

3. Islam is certainly under threat, but by the so called extremist Mullahs and their fake Jihadists who keep reinterpreting the holy book to make the lives of Muslims harder than ever.

It seems the views of the majority differ from country to country. A glance at the history and present of those very countries can help us understand which of these three versions is closest to reality.

I hope we are blessed with the opinion of the claimant I mentioned in my previous post.
 
The "Muslim first" Obsession

The firebrand interior minister of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) party, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, made a typically nonintellectual gaffe in the National Assembly last week; but he will not be properly reprimanded for it. Khan stated in the course of his familiarly unbuttoned harangue condemning Bangladesh for having hanged a rapist leader of Jamaat-e-Islami: I am a Muslim first and a patriotic Pakistani later.” [In other democratic nations, a minister will have to resign or apologize for such type of comment.]

000_Del6275515.jpg


No one in brainwashed Pakistan will realize how Khan has delegitimized the state of Pakistan he serves as its interior minister. By proclaiming his supra-state identity, he was in fact trying to place himself in a “moral position” to violate the sovereignty of Bangladesh which he could not do as a “patriotic Pakistani.”

The pan-Islamic Muslim label is routinely claimed by religious parties who want the Constitution of Pakistan changed to reflect faithfully the edicts of the true Shariah. Terrorists also claim the right to “correct” the “errant Pakistani state” on the basis of their superior Muslim identity.


Unfortunately, those, like Najam Sethi writing in The Friday Times, who have dared to criticize Khan for making himself supra-state, will be excoriated and subjected to the ignominy of being called American agents, thus laying them open to terrorist attacks—which may actually be carried out by another “Muslim-first”-believing policeman!

The Muslim-first slogan, of course, comes from the community of clerics who began in the early 20th century to reject the nation-state and nationalism. In fact, their jurisprudence rejects international frontiers and makes states who offend Islam fair game for their cross-border warriors. But the nation-state in which they live ensures equal rights to all Pakistanis, not to all Muslims.

That’s why if you ask a Pakistani Christian or Hindu about his identity he will forcefully assert his Pakistani identity. His embedded message is: “Please treat me at par with Muslims.”

Last year, Zakir Naik, a “renowned” Islamic orator of India, was on a TV channel talking to British Pakistanis about their identity. (His entry into the U.K. was thereafter banned.) He said why get embarrassed when the Brits ask you: “Are you a Muslim first or British first?” His solution to the dilemma concealed in this question was: ask a counter question, “Are you a human being first or a Briton first?” No one saw through the falsehood of this formulation: being human precedes even the Muslim identity and, therefore, bars Muslim Brits from claiming to be Muslims first.

Naik said: “Turn the tables, let the Brit be embarrassed. When asked this question, he will have to say he is a human being first. The situation created by this confusion will spare the Pakistani Brit the dilemma of a clash between his religious identity and his national one.” (Seriously? Using a cheap wit with false reasoning to legitimize the value of Islam? Anyone with common sense can see how he is denigrating Islam here, but how many do have common sense?) But what Naik said pertained to an issue that raises its head in Pakistan too. And none other than Pakistan’s interior minister has highlighted it.

I once conducted a TV debate in 2006 with an audience. Those who said they were Muslim first won by a 90 percent count. Pakistan is an Islamic state and all of us are Muslims; therefore, it is easy to say that we are Muslims first and then Pakistani. The Pakistan Movement should also support this thesis because we claim that Muslims had become a nation before they demanded a state.

But the nation-state poses a problem. Why do the non-Muslims insist on being Pakistanis first? The answer is that they want to be treated equally with other Pakistanis. If they emphasize their Christian or Hindu identity and put it before their Pakistani one, they might be treated unequally. The nation-state in Europe favors multiple identities and demands that all identities be treated equally. And for that, all those who live in the U.K. must call themselves British first.

The question arises: Why do only the Muslims as a minority insist that they are Muslims first? It is clear that unlike the Christian minority in Pakistan, they, as a minority group in non-Muslim countries, want to stand apart. What is hidden behind this gesture is a refusal to integrate and a nation-state is bound to clash if its various communities don’t integrate. And the trick is that expat Pakistanis in the U.K. know that the U.K. will treat them equally under law even if they don’t integrate.

Not so in Pakistan. The nation-state has wanted to gloss over secondary or tertiary identities to create unity. In Pakistan, the first problem that arose was linked to regional identities: Sindhi, Punjabi, Bengali, Baloch, Pakhtun, etc. The state wanted them to be only Pakistanis and said so. When it did not work, it abolished the provinces. Now as far as religious identities are concerned, Pakistan is overwhelmingly Muslim, and most of us don’t care if non-Muslims are treated unequally. If we were like the Brits, we would have said we are Pakistanis first.

But when in Pakistan you say “Muslim-first,” you in a way destroy the nation-state of Pakistan and place yourself in a position to violate the sovereignty of other Muslim states. That is what interior minister Khan did this past week. The nation-state is no utopia, but it is better than any other kind of state.

In Pakistan, the non-Muslim instinctively wants to integrate as a Pakistani; in the U.K. the Muslim minority wants to stand apart. There, the majority wants to be British first on the principle of equality; here the minority non-Muslim is appealing for equality as a Pakistani. The conclusion is simple: the majority community in Pakistan doesn’t much care if the non-Muslims are treated unequally.

Pakistan follows the rest of the Muslim world in thinking about the modern state. There was a time when it was normal for a Pakistani to say that he was a Pakistani first; now he says he is a Muslim first, little realizing that he is negating the modern state. Most of the states in the Muslim world began as modern states, but are now on the brink of choosing a pre-modern order that is a stranger to democracy.

Interesting article.
 
These days it is usually the west that is the opposing entity - 'islam is under threat by the west, so let's go do some jeehad!'

Since I am a Muslim, I seriously beg to differ. A lot of terrorism against west is due to unjust policies of the west against Mulims who consider Islam the next enemy to decimate after the euphoria that followed the victory over USSR. Many times, right idea would be to be just in the first place rather than start policing the world like big heroes. Though you are right in that many many times religion is exploited by people for their own designs but as a Muslim, I would say that sometimes you make their job easier rather than making it harder.

Islam itself, though opinions of people might vary, is not bad at all. Though I am a Muslim, I like good humans more than muslims who are bad, or have a twisted ideology of religion that promotes hatred.
 
This undoubtedly has to be the most nonsensical debate ever.

So when a child is born in Pakistan, people make a list whether he belongs to his mother or father? Then, what is his religion, what is his caste, then which city he belongs to and what ethnicity he should be identified with first.

Please get it through your dull heads that people are all these things at the same time.

There is no conflict.

This self inflicted conflict is a gift of Fort Leavenworth trained General Zia and his league.

When anyone in Pakistan says that they are muslim or anyone first, they automatically nullify Pakistan's political sovereignty.
 
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Yeah... When i look at my passport, birth certificate and NIC they all say "Pakistan". So for me it is always PAKISTANI first.

Islam is my religion, it is deeply personal and private... I don't need to announce to the world i am Muslim, I can show that by the righteousness of my actions.

Religion and state are separate things.

Wonder how many share such sane views ?
 
When was Islam under a real threat, and what kind of threat was it?

I hope you won't mind elaborating a little on that.

yeah not at all look at the shit the Ummah is in, we are being bombed, invaded, degraded, genocides in burma, unprovoked attacks on Iraq (proven that no WMDs existed), killing of millions to kill one (obl) in A-stan, economic deprivation in majority of Muslim countries, educational deprivation, intellectual deprivation of the Ummah at the hands of both the psycho Mullahs, and the list goes on, the worst thing is that most of the problems are not caused by external factors as many believe but due to internal negligence and sheer stupidity of the majority of Muslims, although we comprise of a large collective population spread all over the planet and occupy strategic and resource rich locations but unfortunately we are oblivious to this and are hence in the state we are in now..........
 
Yes. Devotion to state and it's people must come first. religion etc. should be secondary.
What about other things, i am sure some individual has equal loyalties to both state and religions, So might somene with state and his community.... All this talk of first this and second this and thereon is all histrionics, as long as people know the difference between right and wrong everything is good.... nationalism has it's one place, relligion has it's own and family has it's own place, these are not to intermingle and confuse onses sense of responsibility towards each of them .....
 
What about other things, i am sure some individual has equal loyalties to both state and religions, So might ti state and his community.... All this talk of first this and second this and thereon is all histrionics, as long as people know the difference between right and wrong everything is good....

State is the highest expression of community
 

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