How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Joeblow]

let it be said once for all about the godhra train-burning incident ( gujarat 2002 )...

1. it was an accident.

2. the train's passengers were not innocents returning from a picnic... this was a "special" train returning from ayodhya where a decade ago, maddened crowds had demolished babri mosque and initiated riots in india... i am not even talking of the threats the crowds had issued to the female journalists covering the mosque demolishing... the train's passengers were "pilgrims" who had gone to ayodhya to perform rituals at the temple built on the site of the demolished mosque... so, the passengers were indirect criminals, including the females.

3. at godhra train station, during this train's short halt, some of these hinduvaadi passengers had misbehaved with a muslim lady which led to anger among godhra's muslims.

4. the supposed attack on the train, by the muslim crowd, happened when the train was moving and the railway tracks were quite high, sitting on earthern bund.

5. the fire that burnt the train started on the inside... it is very possible that these hinduvaadi passenger families were carrying fuel for cooking food within the train during the long journey from ayodhya.

6. some of the above points were found during when laloo prasad yadav was railway minister later.

i ask the pdf members... why didn't nato invade india in 2002 because real massacre had happened against muslims in gujarat organized and helped by the state government there... nato invaded libya and syria on fake charges of human rights violations... why is nato and usa government shaking hands with modi when he should have been tried in the international criminal court...

@Jungibaaz @Horus @WebMaster

2 things come into play here. Likability and power. Libya and Syria have neither. The idea that someone would invade a democratic republic of more than a billion people over an incident in one state is laughable to most people but perfectly in line with your thinking as seen on this forum.

 

[WAR-rior]

ironically youre already talking to one...
tell that BS to your fellow indians who have been polluting out pages and every news they come across since our internal matter are completely confined to us, tell them to get lost. you'll get an appropriate reply.But that really is too much of an ask, you aint gonna rid yourself from trolling habits. every other day an indian troll gets banned only to be replace by another.

OK. Point taken. But I don't understand one thing. Please explain, why Pakistanis have to wait 1 decade for 1 incident to justify their existence? Why so desperate?
Even here we see something of 2002 been raised in 2014. How bout some recent event to talk bout?

 

[Narashima]

LOL, why are you defaming your religious brethren.

They already have a picture of hindus so it really doesn't matter and more deluded they remain the better.

 

[Winchester]

Coz its an International forum run by Pakistanis.
On da contrary, Our internal matters are completely confined to us.It's not an international matter. U r not invited.
U r invited for international and bilateral talks.
And keep ur definition of irony to urself. U mite make a Pakistani out of u.

good lets make this a standard rule and hopefully i don't find you or any of your fellow countrymen on any Pakistan related threads

 

[jamahir]

2 things come into play here. Likability and power. Libya and Syria have neither. The idea that someone would invade a democratic republic of more than a billion people over an incident in one state is laughable to most people but perfectly in line with your thinking as seen on this forum.

india and democracy?? surely, you are joking... and of that billion+ in this great grand republic, humanity doesn't need 850 million males...

 

[Max Pain]

OK. Point taken. But I don't understand one thing. Please explain, why Pakistanis have to wait 1 decade for 1 incident to justify their existence? Why so desperate?
Even here we see something of 2002 been raised in 2014. How bout some recent event to talk bout?

first indian that took the point.
your question is a very valid one. i dont want to see such a thread here either. as far as I know Syed.Ali kinda had a scrap with some indian who really went off topic and posted some crap, so in retaliation he posted this thread.
but lets get this straight, try not to post stuff of 1971 again and again and then we wont post such stuff either.
never nice to peek in each other's skirts.

 

[WAR-rior]

good lets make this a standard rule and hopefully i don't find you or any of your fellow countrymen on any Pakistan related threads

I never troll in Pak related threads that too I seldom bump into some. Go check my posts in Pak threads.

 

[Joeblow]

india and democracy?? surely, you are joking... and of that billion+ in this great grand republic, humanity doesn't need 850 million males...

Why shouldn't I think India is democracy? You think Gaddafi was a great guy even though he molested teenage girls and boys. Why are you the only one entitled to your dillusions? Why not me?

 

[WAR-rior]

first indian that took the point.
your question is a very valid one. i dont want to see such a thread here either. as far as I know Syed.Ali kinda had a scrap with some indian who really went off topic and posted some crap, so in retaliation he posted this thread.
but lets get this straight, try not to post stuff of 1971 again and again and then we wont post such stuff either.
never nice to peek in each other's skirts.

Well Dude. I don't think 1971 and 2002 are anywhere comparable. 1971 was nowhere internal matter of Pakistan but a regional one. It was India that suffered influx of refugees without even being a party to ur internal scuffles. We have to get involved.
Whereas Gujarat incident was nowhere detrimental to Pakistan in any manner. Indians fought amongst themselves. Don't see why Pakistani jumping without anywhere being affected.

Only answer to that is, Pakistan is still finding reasons and justification for its creation after 70 odd years. And we Indians once again don't wanna be party to ur mental insecurities. So Pakistanis stick to bilateral events rather than India's internal ones which in no way affect Pakistan.

 

[Winchester]

I never troll in Pak related threads that too I seldom bump into some. Go check my posts in Pak threads.

Well you have been here for a while and you do know that other Indians do exactly that and its not that because we have a large number of indians i mean we have Turks,Arabs,Iranians and Chinese on this forum but they mostly keep it to themselves....infact check out any Pakistani news site and you will find more Indians than Pakistanis butting-in with there unwelcomed opinions !

 

[Srinivas]

GOD in the sense I meant a superior being(manifestation) or a deity !!

Vedic scholars began with a cosmic soul /phenomena that is there and controlling the universe.

Later deity worship and manifestation of GODs came !!

i don't think you are right...During vedic times, although no names were assigned to god, they still refer to that unknown entity as "Truth" and that no one can deny its existence. Even in rig veda, they use terms like "One" or "Truth".

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.

That "Truth"/"One" later become known as Brahman in vedanta and shared exact same traits, most important being that "One" cannot be described, only experienced.
So hinduism always had concept of "God" but its characteristics/personalities were debated among rishhis.

Also astik and nastik are much broader terms...not just limited to believer/non-believer.

 

[Srinivas]

Interesting...its not a religion if it doesnt have a supreme power...Its more like a cult or a traditional folk tale? You sure you know what you are talking about?

The supreme power is Cosmic soul !!

For people's understanding manifestation of this cosmic soul is being done !!

I am talking about the evolution, todays Hindus have many GODs and a supreme GOD(cosmic soul).

 

[Max Pain]

Well Dude. I don't think 1971 and 2002 are anywhere comparable. 1971 was nowhere internal matter of Pakistan but a regional one. It was India that suffered influx of refugees without even being a party to ur internal scuffles. We have to get involved.
Whereas Gujarat incident was nowhere detrimental to Pakistan in any manner. Indians fought amongst themselves. Don't see why Pakistani jumping without anywhere being affected.

Only answer to that is, Pakistan is still finding reasons and justification for its creation after 70 odd years. And we Indians once again don't wanna be party to ur mental insecurities. So Pakistanis stick to bilateral events rather than India's internal ones which in no way affect Pakistan.

awww poor indians, attacked East Pakistan becauseo f the influx of refugees.
the point is you use to for your trolling attempts and we both know it.

funny how and Indian is telling me how Im finding reason for my country's creation.
Like i said earlier, keep that crap to yourself. and your concerns to your country.

 

[Max Pain]

I never troll in Pak related threads that too I seldom bump into some. Go check my posts in Pak threads.

no wonder you have 11 negative ratings.
maybe they're not cuz of Pakistan.
might be the reason youre not blocked yet but you sure are playing dangerously.

 

[WAR-rior]

Well you have been here for a while and you do know that other Indians do exactly that and its not that because we have a large number of indians i mean we have Turks,Arabs,Iranians and Chinese on this forum but they mostly keep it to themselves....infact check out any Pakistani news site and you will find more Indians than Pakistanis butting-in with there unwelcomed opinions !

Ha ha. I agree.