How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Narashima]

that much is true.

so when we are going to eradicate this cult?

 

[utraash]

Sorry If it felt like I was pointing at you alone....My posts all started with that question how can 2 wrongs make a right!
And Yes you are the few who condemns...

As for the bold part sadly 2-3 Indians on this thread actually justified the Gujarat riots...Literally used the word that it was JUST

I dont read everyone's post only those who quote me or mention me or are directly above or below my posts....I have no interest in picking fights or hurting sentiments! Best to ignore those who wish to behave soo immaturely!

BUT my question was raised coz I was quoted and told it was Just coz it was RETALIATION for the Ghodra train incident and everytime the Gujarat riots comes in Ghodra train goes hand in hand yet people forget to bring in Babri masjid then more and more incidents can be dragged in...How many can one justify? And how is this even justifiable?

There are small communities of every religion and stuff living in Pakistan because they are not being murdered they are not in the news...Because they are living in peace they are not used as news propaganda ....

I unfortunately am the worst to ask to opening a thread within minutes some moderate gets an itch to close my threads! Believe till date some 5-6 of my threads have been closed before it breath its 24th hr!

This is roughly same as for Muslims...Usually in Quran it says do good and be rewarded good...it doesnt classify the good you need to do...Do evil and you will be punished it doesnt classify the evil (yes there are few rigid laws like not to drink, gamble and stuff like that which even your mom would tell you)

I wouldnt understand any further either

Thread title(Highlighted only Muslims) is meant to pacify someone ego by bringing religion into it whereas entire sub continent has a history of riots for centuries n even if you see that rioting history(from some 300 yrs back if I am recollecting correctly) of Godhra you would blame Muslim community for that however there are many Bohra Muslim community have been living n doing business in Gujarat without any trouble.
See I don't believe in tit for tat but certainly believe in self introspection before you point fingers at others.....
For babri plz check my below post where I condemned the way it was demolished rest you might find harsh ....
Secularism is now a National Security Threat | Page 7

 

[jamahir]

yes but if anything else offended you I am sorry .Actually after watching that video I got angry and was carried away a little bit .But that does not mean what I said is not true.

well, i didn't watch the video but i am still angry... because it is truth...

and i accept your point about kasab and hafiz saeed... it is common sense... it is like indians calling dawood a terrorist but forgetting that he arranged the bombay blasts for revenge... revenge against the madness of the babri mosque demolition, revenge against the bombay riots soon, revenge against the bombay police for collaborating with rss and shiv sena in those riots... one place of the blasts was the bombay stock exchange... one of the oldest stock exchanged in the world... propagating money system... promoting money over humanity... what does that say about the indian establishment??

your words may have been harsh but they make good points, no one with common sense with object to them.

india is a nation built on fake pride and foreign weaponary... well, same is the case with any government in south asia...

 

[jamahir]

so when we are going to eradicate this cult?

it cannot be done in isolation because there is injustice not only in india but elsewhere too... for example, "honor killing" which is prevalent in other parts of south asia and in gaza and gulf...

which is why i have been promoting this... ( The Worldwide Government | Page 3 ).

i think you will see the sense in it.

 

[HeadHunter]

well, i didn't watch the video but i am still angry... because it is truth...

and i accept your point about kasab and hafiz saeed... it is common sense... it is like indians calling dawood a terrorist but forgetting that he arranged the bombay blasts for revenge... revenge against the madness of the babri mosque demolition, revenge against the bombay riots soon, revenge against the bombay police for collaborating with rss and shiv sena in those riots... one place of the blasts was the bombay stock exchange... one of the oldest stock exchanged in the world... propagating money system... promoting money over humanity... what does that say about the indian establishment??

your words may have been harsh but they make good points, no one with common sense with object to them.

india is a nation built on fake pride and foreign weaponary... well, same is the case with any government in south asia...

yea that,s what my point before playing a victim card they should know who ignited the fire first ? Whole world knows before the babri mosque incident there was no communal violence in india and that violence is started by RSS and BJP not dirt poor deprived indian muslims .Ajmal kasab speaking accent is pure indian and he was from deccan mujahedeen,he and others who took part in mumbai attacks probably too were a victims of RSS and hindu terrorism . These hindus are hypocrites of 1st degree.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@HeadHunter You are right. Hindus have always been like this. I explain this so many times and yet nobody listens. The books you read should be taught in India as well.

Indians - why are you hell bent on explaining Hinduism to Pakistanis? What good do you think you are doing? Do you seriously believe anyone interested in inter faith dialogue will chose this forum of all other places? Please abstain for such discussions, they are ALWAYS futile. Just a few lines to state the overall picture wrt Hinduism should be fine. No point defending, counter defending and arguing.

 

[SQ8]

then why are you even on internet if all you can do is doubt everyone?? but why don't you organize a pdf meet in india?? i will tell you of my credentials...

if you don't respect my 1000+ posts which mostly speak of socialism and human brotherhood, i don't see why i should respect your current postion of senior moderator.

Again, you must realize that SENIOR moderator has nothing to do with the number of posts, but the quality of posts. Which is why we have members with 15000+ posts who are generally idiots when talking about a subject.

So your 1000+ posts are less relevant to the quality of your posts...and that is where your credentials on an anonymous forum are established and NOT from me stating who I am or who you are.. much less than being insecure about it and fire reactionary posts. The better quality in your posts, the greater respect and weight-age will be given to your claims and posts.

There is clear reason why we have the categories out here to signify members. The "senior" and "elite" members is NOT the one to judge people by.. The "Think Tank" here is selected on that basis, although with the current influx of trolls even they are regrettably resorting to low quality posts to try and counter trolls.

 

[jamahir]

yea that,s what my point before playing a victim card they should know who ignited the fire first ? Whole world knows before the babri mosque incident there was no communal violence in india and that violence is started by RSS and BJP not dirt poor deprived indian muslims .

correct.

Ajmal kasab speaking accent is pure indian and he was from deccan mujahedeen,

i didn't know that.

These hindus are hypocrites of 1st degree.

many hindus are good people too... and many muslims here are those whom iqbal warned against, 100 years ago... so, that cannot be that concrete a conclusion... but i will say that most pdf members from india are not good people.

i generally avoid hindu-muslim threads on pdf.

 

[SQ8]

@HeadHunter You are right. Hindus have always been like this. I explain this so many times and yet nobody listens. The books you read should be taught in India as well.

Indians - why are you hell bent on explaining Hinduism to Pakistanis? What good do you think you are doing? Do you seriously believe anyone interested in inter faith dialogue will chose this forum of all other places? Please abstain for such discussions, they are ALWAYS futile. Just a few lines to state the overall picture wrt Hinduism should be fine. No point defending, counter defending and arguing.

That rests on the idea that Hinduism needs an explanation from Indian hindus.. whilst there are still plenty of Pakistani Hindus(apart from those in exodus) that remain to find out all they need.. if they choose to make the effort.

The same way that somehow the explanation for Islam must be given by pakistani muslims alone as somehow India has little muslims to look for regarding information.. if Indian Hindus could be bothered about it to really make a serious effort.


What is possibly more shocking is that regardless of the (true to a large extent) of minority rights being usurped in Pakistan. My chief investor in a recent project is Premchand from Pakistan, My travel agent is Govind.. and my Oculist is Mohan Lal.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Again, you must realize that SENIOR moderator has nothing to do with the number of posts, but the quality of posts. Which is why we have members with 15000+ posts who are generally idiots when talking about a subject.

So your 1000+ posts are less relevant to the quality of your posts...and that is where your credentials on an anonymous forum are established and NOT from me stating who I am or who you are.. much less than being insecure about it and fire reactionary posts. The better quality in your posts, the greater respect and weight-age will be given to your claims and posts.

There is clear reason why we have the categories out here to signify members. The "senior" and "elite" members is NOT the one to judge people by.. The "Think Tank" here is selected on that basis, although with the current influx of trolls even they are regrettably resorting to low quality posts to try and counter trolls.

Oscar you are wasting your time here. Trust me. He is funny in a way, like the early nineties Bollywood movies that had no script.

That rests on the idea that Hinduism needs an explanation from Indian hindus.. whilst there are still plenty of Pakistani Hindus(apart from those in exodus) that remain to find out all they need.. if they choose to make the effort.

Yes, but as long as I believe I am better than you, I can't learn anything from you. Hence the issue.

Faith is more of a personal course. I am comfortable with a composite Dharmic identity (and I also celebrate Christmas, as most Indians do ) So the info is all there. Anyone interested can learn on their own, if they wish to. Indians here can guide. But how can you convince someone who does not want to be convinced? Hence a thread long past its expiry date continues for 31 pages and a new bomb blast in Afghanistan finds no takers.

PS - I don't consider I am better than anyone.

 

[SQ8]

Oscar you are wasting your time here. Trust me. He is funny in a way, like the early nineties Bollywood movies that had no script.

That would be a little unfair, he has made some good posts. But the point is that saying "I am the next heir of the Rajput dynasty" or that "I have a double PhD in quantum mechanics" or "The Army chief is my father's cousin" has little value in an anonymous forum. The only way to give proof to these credentials is by the quality of your posts.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That would be a little unfair, he has made some good posts. But the point is that saying "I am the next heir of the Rajput dynasty" or that "I have a double PhD in quantum mechanics" or "The Army chief is my father's cousin" has little value in an anonymous forum. The only way to give proof to these credentials is by the quality of your posts.

Yes, I like his posts. Ok some of them. More on the humor front. So I quoted him in the Ravi Shankar thread also. But then he disappointed me. No big deal though.

 

[SQ8]

Faith is more of a personal course.

To add to this a little in terms of the ideas regarding pan-Islamism and the oft-misunderstood idea of Muslims inability to co-exist(due to misinterpretation/extreme ideals of many if not most Muslims).

I look at this way, and this being a personal opinion. If I am a muslim, I believe that if I follow my religion I have a better chance of making it in the afterlife than you have. At the same time, I would also believe that if it is possible for me to help you have that chance(not so much as a compulsion as much as a public service of sorts), I will make the pitch to you for embracing Islam(based on your MP: Muslim Potential). However, if I made that pitch and you chose to stick to your beliefs.. I shall find nothing wrong with you since I also believe that I am not responsible for what happens to you once you die. I had to make a sincere effort which I did..and if I did not succeed it could be my fault(in terms of poor explanation/pitch) or your stubbornness(that you do not wish to listen). nevertheless, that would have little effect in terms of how I value any philanthropy, kindness and so on you do which I will continue to hold in high regard. Your choice is to be disregarded in any future interaction and I am to treat you as I would any other Muslim in a social setting sans those involving religion and so on. I would regard you as a friend as well and am only prohibited to do so if and only if you critique my religion needless and more importantly.. you STOP me from practising it...common spiritual sense states that anyone who stops you from carrying out a personal act of worship or meditation that brings you greater benefit in belief really cant be your friend.

However, as I mentioned in the thread regarding the Keralite girl who eloped with the Hindu Boy.. I have no reason to try and apologize for my religion just because it offends the ideals of certain people. They are most welcome to not interact with me if they wish to do so, but I shall not compromise on my beliefs(which are by inherent design very personal and public at the same time) to appease another(although interestingly the Prophet is reported to have made certain exemption to this rule as well for the sake of better relations or later requirements).

To cut it short, the personal nature of belief may transgress into a public/community aspect for muslims, but at no point to these ideals signify or are the precursor to violent actions other than for self defence. Any other justification has less basis in religion and more in geo-politics and other ulterior motives regardless of the divine façade it is dressed in.

The same goes for Hinduism(much for Jainism by my experience) that there is no precursor for violence against any other community unless in self-defence alone. Which makes me wonder what exactly are the folks at VHP and its similes preaching that has anything to do with the ideals of Dharm-ism.

 

[Dubious]

Check this: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 21

And also the post below yours.

I didnt say it ....Not me...you deal with it yourself

 

[Dubious]

That's very simple dear... No matter how n what hitler prayed for instead his deeds did decide his fate eventually....
Narsimha rightly put but you seemed confused....

I am always confused and hence why I read soo much about stuff to clarify the confusion