How many Lt Moid we want to loose before we do these two things ????

[BATMAN]

Seriously How many more 21 year old Lt Moid we plan to loose before we go after ISIS and TTP leadership in Afghanistan and start using MRAP.

I heard Isis just arrived fresh! while methodology of attack remained unchanged.

 

[volatile]

Unfortunately we are cutting the crop from the blood of young ones and innocents which we sewed through $ . Innililah wa Inniliha Rajeon MRAP/TANKS are just an excuse the ideology we are stuck in the main problem

 

[Big Tank]

I have already said on another thread.

The issue is not funding or money. The issue is lack of apathy by military high command. Or else at least troops operating in NWA or SWA or Balochistan would have got a few MRAP etc when they are out on patrol.

Our generals need to be more realistic, more aggressive and less complacent like they are now.

Well if we provide MRAP to our Soldiers at front. How the sons and daughters of Brigs and Gens cruise their official Staff Cars with 2 to 3 stars ahead having their friends along?

 

[ghazi52]

So young.

 

[newb3e]

Pak army needs an increase in budget to fight this war on the
western border. For an increase in budget first of all you need a better
leadership, not corrupts like Zardari/Nawaz group.

well before any operation in Afg we need to get rid of scums on earth the politicians who have looted Pakistan and made us weak!
corruption and terrorism are directly related.its because of corruption we have unemployment and unemployed youth are frustrated and ISIS or TTP are exploiting them..

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

RIP

Its now become customary for us to create a thread for new causalities, offer condolences, bash our enemies, discuss tactics and move on. Same is with our media, the ISPR. There is something, some root, some major flaw in our policy, due to which we are not able to control this menace.
First compare our's causalities v/s NATO/US in Afghanistan, where even Taliban controls more then 40 percent territory. We may get some solution to get our causality figures down.
@ In my humble opinion, there should be standard issue of MRAPs, standard body armor for all troops going in for a IBO/patrol in sensitive areas.
@ We cant provide MRAPs for all 2 divisions operating in Waziristan, add more for Balochistan. So MRAPs should be provided in sufficient numbers, where the area is sensitive. It would decrease causality rates, as if you look at stats, with each IBO, we take 2,3 causalities. That is unacceptable. That means, even in planned IBO (where we have got the element of surprise with us), we are getting fatalities.
@ Before any IBO, there should be lead in elements of specially trained operatives in plain cloths. What they could do is keep an eye on surrounding homes, heights or positions, where enemy take positions as soon as it see army vehicles entering. Major Ishaq death last month was an example, where his team got ambushed. Aerial surveillance could be handy, while going in build up areas.

The above points were more of tactical solutions. Now come to some strategic thoughts.
@ There is a sharp increase in terror incidents after the take over of General Bajwa. In Balochistan, after the change of Corps commander, incidents have increased. Now, its not my job to evaluate the persons on important posts. Have there been change in strategy? Are the terror groups reorganized? Have they got fresh aid from brownies? Is there a lapse in counter intelligence? It needs to be sorted out ASAP. If there is a need to change some heads, please do it.
@ There were many militants, rehabilitated in Waziristan under an Army run program. Same happened with hundreds of Farraris laying down arms in Balochistan. I would like to ask, what checks we have on them? Are we keeping an eye on their activities post pardoning them? Or we are getting gullible again like dozens of times in our 70 year old history
@ If you look carefully, when population fled Waziristan after start of Zrb e Azb, majority went to Karachi. We saw an increase of violence there. Now IDPs are back home and incidents of target shoot outs increasing in Waziristan. That means, we are foolish to believe that all terrorists were either killed or fled across border into Afghanistan. They are part of population and mixed up with IDPs. Now they are back home, they have their weapons hidden around them, just look for an opportunity, take a snipe at patrolling squad, kill 1, flee the scene, hide your weapon and you are an innocent tribal once again. Please do a screening again, get the culprits to task not pardon them.
@ Civilian government is delaying the process of FATA reforms. Get it done through pressure as soon as possible. That would allow deployment of police and civil setup. That would allow civil intelligence take a grip on neighborhood and nab the culprits.

My thoughts.

 

[Signalian]

Armour protection can be given on local pickups also

 

[!eon]

Well if we provide MRAP to our Soldiers at front. How the sons and daughters of Brigs and Gens cruise their official Staff Cars with 2 to 3 stars ahead having their friends along?

Now a days it's recommended to cover the stars. But yes, misuse of staff vehicles is an old problem and hopefully would not be solved as usual.

Moreover, now a days escorts in squad styles have also increased the expenditures tremendously. Everyone likes to enjoy sirens and blue lights in front.

Armour protection can be given on local pickups also

They could evaluate Tundra instead of Hilux and armored it locally. A much cheaper option.

 

[Signalian]

Well if we provide MRAP to our Soldiers at front. How the sons and daughters of Brigs and Gens cruise their official Staff Cars with 2 to 3 stars ahead having their friends along?

staff cars has nothing to do with this incident neither related to MRAP's.

I have already said on another thread.

The issue is not funding or money. The issue is lack of apathy by military high command. Or else at least troops operating in NWA or SWA or Balochistan would have got a few MRAP etc when they are out on patrol.

Our generals need to be more realistic, more aggressive and less complacent like they are now.

Lack of apathy? which Military commander travels in an MRAP? The commanders travel in same RKR's RMR's, Hiluxes, L-200's etc.

Theres no magic wand that will appear and instantly MRAP's will be inducted in every unit. Phasing out equipment and acquistion of new equipment takes time.

They could evaluate Tundra instead of Hilux and armored it locally. A much cheaper option.

Hilux has been armoured at certain level but still inadequate. Tundra is bigger however hilux can be locally armoured also to B-7 level protection.

Now a days it's recommended to cover the stars. But yes, misuse of staff vehicles is an old problem and hopefully would not be solved as usual.

what is mis-use of staff car?

 

[313ghazi]

Were they travelling in territory considered hostile? If that is the case, then it is a shame they were not travelling in a more secure means.

 

[ghazi52]

2nd Lt Abdul Moeed was buried with Full military Honour...

May Allah raise his rank in Heaven..Aameen.

Funeral Prayer of 2nd Lt Abdul Moeed Shaheed offered at Ayub Stadium, Lahore Cantt..

May Allah bless the departed soul..& give patience to the family

 

[hunter_hunted]

I'm just here to say Fock you High commands you SoB who are sending our so young soldiers on front to fight the enemy without providing some level of safety.

I will not believe in this nonsense that we dont have money that's pure horse sh!!t

 

[ghazi52]

شهید بشارت حسین کی یکم جنوری کو شادی طے تهی

Shahid Beheshart Hossein Kei Januari Kou Shadi Tääne Tahani

 

[undercover JIX]

I'm just here to say Fock you High commands you SoB who are sending our so young soldiers on front to fight the enemy without providing some level of safety.

I will not believe in this nonsense that we dont have money that's pure horse sh!!t

What HIT and POF is making if we can not fulfill primary requirements for on going operations. waiting for donations???

 

[GDP Adil Khan Niazi]

By the way he was 2nd Lieutenant not Lieutenant ranked.

From his dear friend:
"He was 21 years old looking after a treasure thrice his age, in a place that was not his native but one he called his own, surrounded by people who were not his blood relatives but meant the same if not more, it was past midnight but his oath was not time barred, he had started his profession a couple of months ago but evidently he was a total pro in discharge of his duties, He had no plots in DHAs but he fought for a piece of land which is now indebted to him. This folks is 2/Lt Moeed who did not have a chance to meet his family since putting on ranks but soldiers have a bigger family, the family of Pakistanis!
To all the Mazaris and Asma Jahangeeris, no matter what you say, we shall and we will always be there to face a bullet which principally should be yours, but we got it madam! and there is absolute nothing that we will not give to keep this Land of OURS safe!
Dear Moeed, we all would soon be joining you but for now as u watch us from heavens above, know that we, your brothers in arm, are desperate to meet you in the similar fashion as yours!"

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