How many actual sanghis are present on this forum ?

[Sharma Ji]

Wrong.

The gun culture in Pakistan is pretty strong.

There are an estimated 20 million firearms in public ownership in Pakistan (both legal and illegal), of which 7 million are registered among the country's population of over 220 million.

The above are not .38 caliber revolvers. These are mostly 9mm and 7.62x25 caliber handguns, 308 and 7mm bolt action rifles, shotguns and a whole lot of chinese and russian 7.62x39 assault rifles.

Let the Sanghis come with their pellet guns, swords and sticks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_Pakistan#:~:text=Ownership,population of over 220 million.

Yeah that is what I implied there, aapne galat read kia

mera kehna ka matlab tha ki US and Pakistan mein zabardast gun culture hai, but India me nahi.

 

[Soumitra]

But if you still voted for a man that abandoned his wife, speaks volumes of your moral compass. How can you expect a man that cannot be faithful to his wife, will be faithful to his country??

I didn't vote for him because he abandoned his wife. I have listed reason why I voted for him in numerous places.

Once again, the points raised by you originate from a position of prejudice, so it is difficult to have a meaningful dialog. Take the example of having more than two kids. You have already made up your mind that having more than two kids is a crime, and immoral.

India has an over population problem.

The replacement fertility rate is 2.1.

Hum do, hamaare do was coined long before any Sanghi came to power.

You also probably believe that this is the result of a Muslim conspiracy to overtake the population of Hindus. Such ridiculous assertions only exists within the minds of Sanghis. Therefore, it would be difficult to explain to a Sanghi that family planning and poverty have an inverse relationship.

Indian Population Growth Less Dependent On Religion, More On Development
@Soumitra

It maybe empirically true but logically doesn't make sense. If you are poor why have more children if you can't feed them and give them good education to get out of poverty. In fact population control is more needed among poor so that next generation gets better development.

BTW @xeuss you aren't answering the other points

 

[Sharma Ji]

As people , when we meet them most of these sanghis , they tend to be wonderful people . for instance i found a good friend in guru dutt, Vs doc , still is a close friend and i meet him ever time i am in pune . its just that some sanghis come a little unhinged posting online , probably due to the anonymous nature of the forum.

Excellent, he is more likely to respond now to stuff like:

the army should abolish units like Sikh Regiment, Maratha Regiment, Garhwal Rifles, Kumaon Regiment.

Look at their war cries. For example, "Badri Vishal Lal Ki Jai ( Victory to the Sons of Lord Badri Nath )".

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[Soumitra]

@xeuss You can't give me a logical answer so you are going tangentially

 

[T90TankGuy]

Excellent, he is more likely to respond now to stuff like:


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Jahmir does not understand the army or its ethos, so he made this comment . there are many here who comment without understanding , its the nature of democracy !!!

 

[Joe Shearer]

As people , when we meet them most of these sanghis , they tend to be wonderful people . for instance i found a good friend in guru dutt, Vs doc , still is a close friend and i meet him ever time i am in pune . its just that some sanghis come a little unhinged posting online , probably due to the anonymous nature of the forum.

I'll take you at face value. There's been extremely uncivil things said that are between me and some members, things that don't belong to civilised society.

 

[jamahir]

Excellent, he is more likely to respond now to stuff like:


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Jahmir does not understand the army or its ethos, so he made this comment . there are many here who comment without understanding , its the nature of democracy !!!

I am a simple anti-war person who likes to see things secular. So what I meant was distribute soldiers from those units to newly created units which happen to have secular war cry so that if a young Muslim man like @Naofumi decided to join the army he would be left thinking at the moment of battle - "What am I saying ?".

 

[Naofumi]

Quotas have their place, just not in the forces, those need to be 100% merit based.

I'm ok with organizing fairs and camps in muslim villages.

A Muslim only regiment might be difficult to get going. The JKLI is 50% Muslim according to Wiki.

Only the Sikhs have their own ? and there too, their commanders can still be from Madras or any other, and non sikhs aren't entirely barred.. Muslims should sign up for their local Jat and Rajput regiments in those areas but these regiments are not tribal in how they operate, it's just been a historically convenient naming of these groups.

bit out of my depth here tbh

@Joe Shearer knows a lot more about this.

The regiments do have an effect on composition, SLI recruits Ravidasia Sikhs for example, being commander (commissioned posts) is different than being recruited as a Jawan. That being said, it took thousands of years to naturally regress the Normans in the English forces from around 16% to proportional to their population (0.3%) - takeaway is that it's very difficult to break away the hegemonies and inertia unless special efforts are made. Why do you want Muslims to assimilate when you don't want representation for us? It should be a two way deal.

The replacement fertility rate is 2.1.

Some states and regions have actually fallen below it for some time now, so we may actually need to increase the fertility rate there and yeah decrease it in other (BIMARU) states which should be through development and education.

 

[xeuss]

@xeuss You can't give me a logical answer so you are going tangentially

Dude...the other points are in a similar vein. Kernels of truth are twisted to make it sound like a problem where the exclusive blame should be heaped on the Muslims. This is not evasion, but rather, not giving credence to Sanghi dog whistles.

As I said, when you graduate from the Sanghi School of Hate and Applied Pogroms, we could have a meaningful discussion.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I am a simple anti-war person

You are a simple person, period.

Ok peace out, I'm out for a while, tc.

 

[xeuss]

As people , when we meet them most of these sanghis , they tend to be wonderful people . for instance i found a good friend in guru dutt, Vs doc , still is a close friend and i meet him ever time i am in pune . its just that some sanghis come a little unhinged posting online , probably due to the anonymous nature of the forum.

Or maybe the anonymous nature allows them to bring their true identity to the forefront?

 

[Soumitra]

Dude...the other points are in a similar vein. Kernels of truth are twisted to make it sound like a problem where the exclusive blame should be heaped on the Muslims. This is not evasion, but rather, not giving credence to Sanghi dog whistles.

There is no Kernel of Truth. It is Black and White

You are not answering because you believe that Muslims should have these privilages over and above the Constitution.

You may call it dog whistle from sanghi school of hatred or WhatsApp University or whatever, the truth will never change

 

[T90TankGuy]

I am a simple anti-war person who likes to see things secular. So what I meant was distribute soldiers from those units to newly created units which happen to have secular war cry so that if a young Muslim man like @Naofumi decided to join the army he would be not left thinking at the moment of battle - "What am I saying ?".

i am sure we all would not like war , but the sad truth of it is that thats not a possibility , no matter how good your relations with people , you always need to be prepared.
@jamahir have you ever met a armyman? meet them and ask what they think of religion.

 

[xeuss]

There is no Kernel of Truth. It is Black and White

You are not answering because you believe that Muslims should have these privilages over and above the Constitution.

You may call it dog whistle from sanghi school of hatred or WhatsApp University or whatever, the truth will never change

Sorry Soumitra, I don't believe Muslims need any extra privileges than anyone else.

The problem with Sanghis in India is that they view any difference in personal religious practices as a privilege; ignoring that those same exclusions/differences exist for other religions as well.

 

[jamahir]

i am sure we all would not like war , but the sad truth of it is that thats not a possibility , no matter how good your relations with people , you always need to be prepared.
@jamahir have you ever met a armyman? meet them and ask what they think of religion.

Not army but years ago when I was teacher in a computer institute there were some airforce officers who were in a course there. One of them was a jolly gentleman but we never discussed religion.

@Naofumi, that should have been "never discussed" but I think you guessed it.