How India’s QR-SAM has poured Cold water on Pakistan’s NASR

[HariSinghNalwa]

let's see.i think we have everything to counter ibgs.supply lines and IAF will play a bigger role and these two are weakness.IAF have tried large formations even in the past,i think it was after parliament attack or mumbai,don't remember exactly.it's not easy to defend your army from raining missiles.when you chose to fight inside enemy territory,sometimes you make mistakes.terrain supports pakistani army specially when you are defending and add mines,missiles everything.it's very hard.even if you have 100% accuracy missiles,you can't stop rain of missiles.casualties and low on supply,they will surely fall back but again for pakistan,cutting supply lines is important so IA have no way to go back.this is the most dangerous doctrine that can inflict damage to your enemy but at the same time,it can trap you inside enemy territory.

you have a presumption that india won't use its ballistic missiles ,cruise missiles and rocket artillery before the so called ibg

IAF will play a bigger role and these two are weakness

IAF is a weakness is a biased statement

 

[randomradio]

let's see.i think we have everything to counter ibgs.supply lines and IAF will play a bigger role and these two are weakness.IAF have tried large formations even in the past,i think it was after parliament attack or mumbai,don't remember exactly.it's not easy to defend your army from raining missiles.when you chose to fight inside enemy territory,sometimes you make mistakes.terrain supports pakistani army specially when you are defending and add mines,missiles everything.it's very hard.even if you have 100% accuracy missiles,you can't stop rain of missiles.casualties and low on supply,they will surely fall back but again for pakistan,cutting supply lines is important so IA have no way to go back.this is the most dangerous doctrine that can inflict damage to your enemy but at the same time,it can trap you inside enemy territory.

Um, we have more of these guns and missiles than you do and you have less number of troops than we do. Don't you think you will be worse affected?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

every indian journalist,war veteran and even army wants to punish pakistan.pakistan made it clear long time ago that nobody can punish it.we aren't kids.we know indian systems.indian army have no experience of this new cold start doctrine and there are ways to cut the entire supply line.you can't defend 8 to 20 thousand men on enemy soil even when they have best air defence systems.at the end of the day,they will get trapped and we will surely cut the entire supply line.india can't fight with this doctrine.this is suicide.both armies use satellites and during war time,it will be difficult for IAF to support indian army.there are different stages of cold start but IAF presence is must.what will happen if IAF forced to repel back? who will save the ibgs? IBGS can't save themselves using air defence.how many missiles they can fire? ibg can only carry limited weapons.they stand no chance.

At the end of the day it's the tenacity of the Last Afgan, the Last BD PM, the Last Iranian Molla etc. that count...

 

[Super Falcon]

One way or other india will be hit by if not nasr than any other you cant hide behind curtain of QR SAM

 

[Yaseen1]

Israel has much better air defense than india even they are unable to completely intercept much simpler rockets than nasr of Hamas and Hezbullah how india can do this

 

[randomradio]

Israel has much better air defense than india even they are unable to completely intercept much simpler rockets than nasr of Hamas and Hezbullah how india can do this

Their air defence has been extraordinarily successful.

 

[1ndy]

Israel has much better air defense than india even they are unable to completely intercept much simpler rockets than nasr of Hamas and Hezbullah how india can do this

Iron Dome willingly ignore hamas rockets which are going to land on no men's land... They are not guided and the impact point can be calculated as soon as they are fired.

 

[khail007]

QRSAM is a highly mobile air defence system which comes with 100 percent kill probability, and has the capability to neutralise aerial targets like fighter jets, cruise missiles and air to surface missiles as well as short-range ballistic missiles. QRSAM is also a vital component in India’s “Cold Start” Doctrine which will ensure the safety of forward Army form

Nothing is with 100 percent kill when you use word probability with it.
Further, if this missile could take out all then India should not develop anything else they have the best of the bests.
Congrats to India.

 

[GHALIB]

Whatever you have,
We can pour cold water on it

 

[Hellfire]

After the successful test of Pakistan’s short-range surface-to-surface ballistic missile Nasr last week, its Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa had made a strange remark. He said, “Nasr has put cold water on cold start”.

Nasr is a tactical nuclear weapon aimed to inflict damage on incoming forces at a short notice. It is not like those long range nuclear warhead carrying ballistic missiles which are fired thousands of kilometres away with pre-designated target and carry massive warheads. Tactical nuclear weapons are for battlefield situation mainly aimed at thwarting incoming forces which are already at the borders and pushing to enter the enemy territory.

Since 2013, Pakistani defence analysts and its military have been propagating to its media and its people that Nasr and its TNWs have defeated India’s cold start doctrine, while India has been restructuring its Strike Corps to fight under heighten threat level while piecing together required firepower to effectively deploy Cold Start doctrine. By giving Nasr a 10km increase range and some tweaked flight manoeuvrability, Pakistan it self-has exposed its panicky state of mind to India in response to testing of its QR-SAMs recently.

Capabilities of Nasr

Nasr is a canard-control led missile system capable of firing TNWs up to 70km with a very good CEP (not specified). It is about 6m long with a 300 mm caliber.The carrier is an 8×8 wheeled vehicle with cross country mobility. Fit for shoot and scoot. Four missiles per launcher can be carried and fired. The missiles are stored and carried in factory-sealed ready to fire containers.It could have a miniaturized nuclear warhead of the sub KT category. That is my surmise since the space geometry must cater for the warhead, control and guidance system, on board power, on board computer, a claimed capability to overcome missile defense systems, andthe solid rocket motor.Of course, the weapon will have normal warheads also. The number of nuclear warheads with Pakistan will be limited. However,it seems,as per Pakistani estimates they must be having enough to cause damage to stymie Indian Cold Starts.

Capabilities of QRSAM

The QRSAM is a quick reaction, all-weather and network-centric search-on-the-move missile system. It can engage multiple targets at a range of about 30 km with two vehicle configuration for area air defence.
The missile is a truck-mounted one with 360 degree rotatable, electronic-mechanically operated, turret-based launch unit.

QRSAM is a highly mobile air defence system which comes with 100 percent kill probability, and has the capability to neutralise aerial targets like fighter jets, cruise missiles and air to surface missiles as well as short-range ballistic missiles. QRSAM is also a vital component in India’s “Cold Start” Doctrine which will ensure the safety of forward Army formations in Enemy territories.The Mach 1.8

Why QR-SAM is Game Changer for India’s Cold Start doctrine

India’s Strike Corps has been carrying out Military exercise simulating fighting war under a Nuclear environment to provide additional counter battlefield weapon to Nasr, India has quickly developed QR-SAMs which can provide sufficient battle field air defence which will be mobile and will move with the Strike Corps to give level of layered aerial defence against SRBM like Nasr .

Pakistan also fears that India might also put together Cruise Missile Defence System (CMDS) which along with QR-SAM will provide India’s Strike Corps a layered battlefield Aerial Defence systems against cruise missiles like Babur, Raad and Nasr SRBMs. An addition of CMDS and QR-SAMs will certainly complicate Pakistan equation of using Tactical nuclear weapons within its own territory, the risk of a high casualty of its own civilians and India launching full-scale Nuclear retaliation will play high if India is able to effectively counter Nasr.

QR-SAM and Pralay both will be Truck based Canister Missile systems which will allow India’s Strike Corps to use them as Shield and Sword on the battlefield. India slowly but steady will deploy Series of Weapons which will be part of India’s Cold Start Doctrine to ensure that doctrine will remain doable for Indian Army if a need arises to punish Pakistan in a case of another 26/11 type of attack leading to large scale casualty.

QRSAM Air Defence System is a critical component in India’s “Cold Start” Doctrine which has the ability not only to stop Aerial attacks from rival Air Force but also to neutralise Pakistan’s Solid fueled nuclear-capable tactical ballistic missile system Nasr (Hatf IX) which was specifically developed to attack “mechanized forces like armed brigades and divisions.

Keeping Cold Start Doctrine alive is in India’s interest to keep Pakistan in check and prevent large scale state sponsored terrorism against India backed by Pakistan. Moment Pakistani Military sense that Cold Start Doctrine has been countered and defeated, fear of retaliation will also be gone and back will be misadventures of Pakistani generals who dream to go down in History books as who destroyed India and liberated Kashmir.



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Wow ...... am speechless.

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@waz @Horus @WAJsal

Absolutely. I died out of sheer boredom.
But then, it is your PDF Bot which has posted it. Not a real poster.

At the end of the day it's the tenacity of the Last Afgan, the Last BD PM, the Last Iranian Molla etc. that count...

Incorrect.

Indian Army will fight Pakistan till the last Pakistani.'

We have ample Pakistanis to fight our war for you..... a fact oft stated even by the Pakistani members here.

tejas belongs to the airforce but the truck belongs to the army

Nope. We have trucks in Air Force too. You use Animal Transport/Human Transport for logistics in Pakistan Air Force now, do you?

If you want to defeat the Pivot Corps and the IBGs, you will need hundreds of Nasrs, not 5 or 10.

You forget that their concept is 1 tank will come 10 feet apart ... else it beats armoured attack concept

it will be very difficult even for the greatest armies in this world.we are talking about india.IA have no experience of using this doctrine.you can't survive using artillery,rockets,air defence.you need continuous support which is impossible.

Excellent analysis. Hope PA appreciates the same.

Question is how good Indian air defence is against heavy artillery shells? Because Pakistan will lunch waves of those which will be PGMs and many will have range of 100-150 km in near future.

Good concept. Economics & cost effectiveness parameters do not permit you to have the capability to 'lunch' waves of those in near future.

 

[Cookie Monster]

QRSAM is a highly mobile air defence system which comes with 100 percent kill probability
100% kill probability? Is this some sort of early April fools joke? I would like to see these specs from a respectable source.

 

[Hellfire]

I used 5/10 as an example suggesting a 50% success rate (I have no idea what it actually is) for India's anti missile capabilities.

And given the small nature of the warhead, smaller amounts of Plutonium required, Pakistan's expansion of her nuclear weapons fuel program, hundreds of warheads is easily possible. And remember, these will not be used in isolation, but backed up with conventional warheads on the NASR and other systems to saturate the target and overwhelm Indian Air Defence capabilities.

So the point remains, unless India can guarantee a 100% success rate for neutralizing incoming missiles on IBG's in what will be Pakistani territory, in a theater likely swarming with conventional air strikes, missile strikes, artillery barrages etc, talk of 'pouring cold water on NASR as a counter to India's Cold Start' is premature to say the least.

Logic, AM, dictates that you should have resources to supply fuel to your program. You can keep expanding, your sources of raw materials for fuel are not expanding. Logic.

An infantry division in MOPP will sustain approximately 500 casualties with a nominal bomb in air burst optimized to create minimal fallout.

Inter se gap between tanks in attack is 150 meteres at minimum. Already discussed a number of times, does not hold water by a long shot.

A stupid article from an equally stupid source.

Um, we have more of these guns and missiles than you do and you have less number of troops than we do. Don't you think you will be worse affected?

Apparently not. Their assumption is each PA soldier = 100 Indian soldier. What do you expect?

 

[Yaseen1]

If nasr are fired under cover of high numbers of MLRs qrsam will fail and its rockets will exhaust in taking out MLRs rockets

 

[Hellfire]

If nasr are fired under cover of high numbers of MLRs qrsam will fail and its rockets will exhaust in taking out MLRs rockets

Interesting concept. Wonder how a Battlefield Surveillance System and a WLR works? I wonder if there exists a capability to discern an artillery shell and a Ballistic missile fire by the systems?

 

[Yaseen1]

artillery shell with gps will destroy your qrsam before they try to intercept nasr i thought your system was able to intercept artillery rockets

Interesting concept. Wonder how a Battlefield Surveillance System and a WLR works? I wonder if there exists a capability to discern an artillery shell and a Ballistic missile fire by the systems?