Farmers suicide is a collective failure of all governments till date. They could not formulate good policy to support or help them.
you are correct of course, and the "green revolution" ( the wrong one, i should add ) set up in india by usa government basically built upon the unscientific nature of the indian system.
indian government should have worked with the socialist bloc to arrive upon a scientific agriculture system which used collectivization ( multiple farmer families/individuals managing a single land ), neighborhood-level farming in cities ( urban farming ), mechanization and non-harming chemicals to create a situation of easy surplus of food crop which neither caused cancers for the farmer ( like it is happening in punjab ) nor caused other medical troubles for the consumer nor caused poisoning of the ecology nor caused economic misery for the farmer.
this is what venezuela is doing presently...
Urban Agriculture: trying new things in Venezuela | eatcology.comeatcology
polis: Urban Agriculture in Caracas
as for farmer suicides in india, i copy below my own post from july...
"it should, for below is how any citizen ( and by consequence, farmers ) in libyan jamahiriya lived...
1. any person interested in engaging in farming was given free land by the system, along with seeds, tools needed and housing, for free.
2. electricity and water was free ( that too in a largely desert country ), and libya had history's largest irrigation system, "the great man-made river" project ( gmrr ).
3. housing for any citizen was to be lived rent-free until the resident wished... rent was considered a compromise on the freedom of the citizen and therefore anti-human.
4. medical system was free, and if treatment was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.
5. education system was free, and if that course was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.
6. education was of one's choice and could not be forced by parents or circumstance.
7. food was at low cost.
8. any person interested in establishing a business was given a start-up amount of 20,000 dollars, interest-free.
9. all loans were interest-free.
10. no private banks operated in libya.
11. for a person not in employment, he or she was given the average salary ( stipend ) for the person's choice of field of employment... in fact, this was a coming-down in later years from the early days of the al-fatah revolution... in 1979, a unemployed person was given 7000 dollars per month !!
12. libyan jamahiriya being socialist, all wasteful traditions were frowned upon, like 600-guest four-day weddings like what happens in south asia.
13. at weddings, the bride and groom were together given 50,000 dollars to help them set up a new home etc.
14. car purchase was subsidized by the system.
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so tell me, why would any farmer suicide in libyan jamahiriya, when his material needs had been taken care by the system, leaving him spiritually at ease??"
If Naxals would have been that good, why they do not let any infrastructure happen in their areas.... no road, no infra
like i hinted before, all this "infrastructure" in the vast non-naxal areas has not helped indians lead a largely happy life, so we must question on the indian establishment/middle-class notion of infrastructure.
do we really want a hundred more useless companies like tcs and the roads, flyovers and traffic that become the first effect or secondary effect of the construction of such companies??
western-style elections and multi-party "representative democracy" is fake-democracy.
true democracy is when the enlightened ideas and decisions made in a neighborhood are discussed and applied in the top level of the political system and that happens only via direct-democracy, whether through aap's "swaraj" or whether in a more scientific manner via the libyan-invented system of jamahiriya... at least 500 of my posts speak of this... maybe more.
as for voting, it is the necessary part of democracy but must be like this...
as to the precise arrangement of direct-democracy under "jamahiriya", from my own post here (
India to be home to 4.37 lakh millionaires by 2018: Study | Page 3 )...
jamahiriya, deriving from the "green book", is a simple system.
the idea is to get every citizen to participate in the political running of society and have the whole system as decentralized semi-independent communes.
each neighborhood in a city calls its residents to a ground or hall and elects a secretariat... this is done with each resident participating and voicing opinion... the secretariat will then be responsible for maintainence of the neighborhood ( security, lighting etc ), for getting and discussing local needs with the city administration, for discussing local and societal issues with local residents and delivering opinions and decisions of local residents to city administration or higher... the local residents confer in a truly democratic manner, with disregard for age, gender, profession or other attributes... this gathering at neighborhood-level becomes called "basic people's congress".
if a city has ten neighborhoods, there will then be ten "basic people's congress" ( bpc ) gatherings with their own secretariats.
the secretariats of each bpc will gather to discuss local and city issues at city level... each secretariat will be delivering the opinions of their bpc's and the needs of their bpc's and how city resources can be allocated to each bpc in a clean manner... and to help make discussions smoother and to help get resources from higher level and to deliver the city's opinions to higher level, the gathered bpc secretariats will elect a secretariat for the city, and this secretariat can be from among them or from some neighborhood or any other person who is deemed suitable... the city-level gathering will become called "municipal people's congress" ( mpc ).
for easier administration of a larger society, some cities can be gathered together into a region and the city secretariats will gather in "regional people's congress" ( rpc )... this can avoided for a small-population society.
either the mpc or the rpc, the relevant secretariats gather at societal level in the "general people's congress" which takes decisions at societal level and to discuss world issues and how to participate in them... to help smoother discussions, the gather secretariats at this top level elect a "general secretariat"... the gathering becomes called "general people's congress" ( gpc )
in all this, each citizen's novel opinions are delivered from the bpc through a chain until it reaches the gpc, each decision by a bpc is delivered until it reaches the gpc... this makes each citizen of the society a politician and a decision maker and opiner... direct-democracy.
done within the guidance of socialism, this will yield and simplest and almost-perfect society... this entire system is called "jamahiriya" and if all societies human-wide are so changed, it will lead to "world jamahiriya"... this plus some more scientific changes will lead to true communism... a vision worth changing one's life for and working towards it.
i suggest you put a diagram for the bpc, mpc, rpc, gpc to understand them more easily.
for more (
The Green Book - I ).
"aam aadmi party" has a similar but smaller-scale idea in form of "swaraj".
kidnapping, raping poor women and girls
isn't that precisely what the government forces and its militias are accused of doing for decades??
this was even portrayed in the 2014 film "chakravyuh".
Everyone has different perceptions of developments.
sure, but there is a point where progressive/humane thought and scientific ideas find common ground and things begin to look simple.
what must be primary is social and ecological harmony... building unnecessary flyovers and skyscrapers is the wrong way, as i presented in my previous post.
All Indians and all Indian geological areas deserve to have same progress in terms of people and infrastructure.
of course.
Perhaps you can write down 10 good things which Naxals have given to India.
but you have never given them the chance to speak of their vision and ideals.
allow them the platform.
Suppose the govt gets a tip off of a major terrorist hiding in a hostile neighbouring country (don't equate this with India, its a general question) and the govt needs to strike quickly and stealthily, will it form village and town committees to decide?
while there would be need of a specialist force to do what you say, i will add that in a revolutionary country that provides the best to its citizens, it would be also the duty of the citizens to defend it.
Or if the govt wants to change the monetary policy to check inflation and increase growth, or cannot decide what the fiscal defecit should be, or have to decide on the recommendations of pay commissions, will it go to the village panchayats.
1. let us not use the word "panchayat" because that is a component of a wrong system.
2. since we are talking about changing the political system, we should also talk about gathering a bunch of village populations into newly built highly-urban townships which has no reactionary elements remaining from the previous village social/economic life.
3. let us take into account the socialism-based services i described about the libyan jamahiriya and transfer most of them ( exceptions being points# 13 and 14 ) to indian context.
4. let us take into account the recommendations made by a poona group about abolishing income tax and other economic points... do you know of this group??
5. the "basic people's congress" ( as described above ) would comprise of a enlightened neighborhood because of the radical change in the political system.
Of course, if the system or constitution is wrong it should be changed. The naxals should get elected as the AAP has done and then try to change it. If they take up arms against the state, their arms have to be chopped off
fair enough... though about elections, please see above.
like i have been saying, the naxals should be co-opted into a new progressive system... i don't see why they should refuse.
What do you mean by almost participated?? In 2003, when the request was made it was instantly rejected
"almost participated" because of protests by citizens and not because of government policy... remember, it was the nda in government then.
from (
Washington presses India to send troops to Iraq - World Socialist Web Site )...
The US has requested that India send a full army brigade of more than 17,000 troops to take on the responsibility of administering the northern sector of Iraq—an area of sharp tensions between ethnic Kurds and Arabs. If New Delhi agrees, the Indian force will be larger than the present British contingent and second only to the US military force itself.
President Bush and top US officials first made the proposal in early May when India’s National Security Advisor, Brajesh Mishra, visited Washington. The issue was subsequently discussed in the Cabinet Security Committee (CCS) twice in May but no decision was taken. Instead New Delhi sought further clarification about its proposed role in Iraq and the command structure under which its troops would operate.
Communist China is on a fight mode with socialist Japan and Vietnam.
socialist japan??
our primary japanese member, Nihonjin1051 , will be most surprised.
And regarding India being socialist or not, please go and read about nationalisation and the license raj and the quota Raj. There is a reason why the budget of 1991/1992 is hailed by everyone.
you confuse indian bureaucratic confusion with socialism.
And you call Libya and Syria socialist?? Where are single person have held power for decades!
to avoid circular argument, i will talk only about libya... muammar gaddafi stepped down from government authority in late 1979 and since then was "guide of the revolution" and he did not make decisions but was the moral guide who came up with ideas and proposed solutions and because of libya's "authority of the people" system, it was left to the citizens to accept or reject his suggestions... more on that in this recent thread (
Libya: From Africa’s Wealthiest Democracy to US-NATO Terror Haven ).
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