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How do you rate different members on PDF ?

On what basis do you rate different members on PDF ? Based

  • Post count

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • Profile pic

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Username

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Likes recived

    Votes: 12 9.8%
  • Quality of posts

    Votes: 97 79.5%
  • Troll post

    Votes: 27 22.1%
  • Others

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Positive ratings

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • Negative ratings

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Personality of Poster

    Votes: 8 6.6%

  • Total voters
    122
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That belly is a sure shot way to high cholesterol levels ! :o:

@SarthakGanguly - Make sure that Joe Sahib eats leafy vegetables from now on; till hes got a six pack that'll make most body builders blush with envy ! :agree:

I'm on statins. AND in order to stop provoking you and Signor Betto Bardi further, I've changed the damn' avatar.

I like to observe. Doesn't matter what....it just happens....naturally you can say.

Now is that really you in your avatar? :P

Sadly, yes; in view of certain remarks made by Armstrong and some decidedly alarming suggestions that he has been circulating, I've just changed it.

and I would obviously vote for negative rating which I got from my own Indian members :P because I was too covert with my posts and anti secular :D

I'm beginning to wonder....
 
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I'm on statins. AND in order to stop provoking you and Signor Betto Bardi further, I've changed the damn' avatar.

Sadly, yes; in view of certain remarks made by @Armstrong and some decidedly alarming suggestions that he has been circulating, I've just changed it.

Lo mein nei kiyaa kahaa thaaa ? :(

I didn't offed you or anything ? Such wasn't much intention...I apologize !
 
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Lo mein nei kiyaa kahaa thaaa ? :(

I didn't offed you or anything ? Such wasn't much intention...I apologize !


Humph! Set that bloodhound on my trail, and then apologise! Offed me? You bet you offed me!

That other pic was far too fat, anyway :(
 
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I'm on statins. AND in order to stop provoking you and Signor Betto Bardi further, I've changed the damn' avatar.



Sadly, yes; in view of certain remarks made by Armstrong and some decidedly alarming suggestions that he has been circulating, I've just changed it.



I'm beginning to wonder....

Which brings me to the next question:

How and why did you join PDF?
 
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Humph! Set that bloodhound on my trail, and then apologise! Offed me? You bet you offed me!

That other pic was far too fat, anyway :(

Offended...offended not offed ! :ashamed:

Leave it to Joe Shakespeare Shearer to catch my mistakes ! :mad:

Sorry ! :(
 
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Which brings me to the next question:

How and why did you join PDF?

SORRY to Butt in here ; in between your conversation with @Joe Shearer

But " Indians ---Why did you join PDF " would make a great thread

Tomorrow being a Sunday ; you can see plenty of "pleasantries " getting exchanged
 
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SORRY to Butt in here ; in between your conversation with @Joe Shearer

But " Indians ---Why did you join PDF " would make a great thread

Tomorrow being a Sunday ; you can see plenty of "pleasantries " getting exchanged

I specifically asked Joe Shearer for a reason........for trolls....every day is Sunday.
 
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Which brings me to the next question:

How and why did you join PDF?

I joined three Pakistani sites in three stages soon after 26/11. It was an intense desire to find out what sort of people would send out an armed party to attack civilians and a country totally defenceless and at peace at the time. The three sites were All Things Pakistan, run by a very charming professor from Boston University, who later came back to Pakistan to direct LUMS, before returning to the US once more; about a year later, PakTeaHouse, founded by Raza Rumi, but then being run by a group of two or three young people, with Yassir Latif Hamdani chief among them; and finally PDF, quite some time after joining PakTeaHouse.

ATP was a mild shock, as I found a great deal in common with the people there; they were not the narrow-minded bigots I had feared. Far from it, some of them were so close to my thinking that we became friends and remained friends; it is now nine years, and we are members of a very small mailing list, where there are four Pakistani and four Indian members. Two members have dropped out. At any rate, in ATP, my reception was so friendly that in time, it became a home from home, and it became clear to me that there was no black-and-white answer to the question of the troubled relations between the two countries; in addition, that there were Pakistanis to whom I felt closer than to some Indians. These latter, the Hindutvavadi, Internet Hindu types, soon started encroaching in larger and larger numbers, and finally drove four of us away to another site, which two among us knew, and this was the wonderful PakTeaHouse. I left ATP sadly; it was such a collection of gentlemen, including some who were quite hostile to India, but unfailingly polite to Indians. I believe that we were deserving of such courtesy, in those early days before the rats flocked in.

PakTeaHouse was wonderful. There is no other word for it. Some of the discussion there would have fitted into a post-graduate seminar quite comfortably. The leader was a very young, but very thoroughly well-informed YLH, but a smallish group of about seven of us interacted with him and discovered by dialogue and mutually critical analysis many unsuspected truths about the events before partition and independence. At PTH, I was one among the few who warned RR of the dire consequences of not restricting comment, and of not disciplining trolls; he, being ultra-liberal, took no notice. As a result, it is today a charnel-house. The people there have probably all come from Chowk, although some of them would have startled even Chowk diehards. By then, one of my friends, an ex-Air Force man, had told me about this forum, and although I was sceptical, having looked at Bharat Rakshak and formed a very poor opinion about it, I took his advice at face value and joined. And here I am, on the verge of departure, for exactly the same reasons as I left two other Pakistani sites; too many obnoxious trolls.

And, yes, many more hostile Pakistanis than I've ever seen before in one place.

Both young and old.

SORRY to Butt in here ; in between your conversation with @Joe Shearer

But " Indians ---Why did you join PDF " would make a great thread

Tomorrow being a Sunday ; you can see plenty of "pleasantries " getting exchanged

They aren't pleasant to me, as it happens.
 
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I joined three Pakistani sites in three stages soon after 26/11. It was an intense desire to find out what sort of people would send out an armed party to attack civilians and a country totally defenceless and at peace at the time. The three sites were All Things Pakistan, run by a very charming professor from Boston University, who later came back to Pakistan to direct LUMS, before returning to the US once more; about a year later, PakTeaHouse, founded by Raza Rumi, but then being run by a group of two or three young people, with Yassir Latif Hamdani chief among them; and finally PDF, quite some time after joining PakTeaHouse.

ATP was a mild shock, as I found a great deal in common with the people there; they were not the narrow-minded bigots I had feared. Far from it, some of them were so close to my thinking that we became friends and remained friends; it is now nine years, and we are members of a very small mailing list, where there are four Pakistani and four Indian members. Two members have dropped out. At any rate, in ATP, my reception was so friendly that in time, it became a home from home, and it became clear to me that there was no black-and-white answer to the question of the troubled relations between the two countries; in addition, that there were Pakistanis to whom I felt closer than to some Indians. These latter, the Hindutvavadi, Internet Hindu types, soon started encroaching in larger and larger numbers, and finally drove four of us away to another site, which two among us knew, and this was the wonderful PakTeaHouse. I left ATP sadly; it was such a collection of gentlemen, including some who were quite hostile to India, but unfailingly polite to Indians. I believe that we were deserving of such courtesy, in those early days before the rats flocked in.

PakTeaHouse was wonderful. There is no other word for it. Some of the discussion there would have fitted into a post-graduate seminar quite comfortably. The leader was a very young, but very thoroughly well-informed YLH, but a smallish group of about seven of us interacted with him and discovered by dialogue and mutually critical analysis many unsuspected truths about the events before partition and independence. At PTH, I was one among the few who warned RR of the dire consequences of not restricting comment, and of not disciplining trolls; he, being ultra-liberal, took no notice. As a result, it is today a charnel-house. The people there have probably all come from Chowk, although some of them would have startled even Chowk diehards. By then, one of my friends, an ex-Air Force man, had told me about this forum, and although I was sceptical, having looked at Bharat Rakshak and formed a very poor opinion about it, I took his advice at face value and joined. And here I am, on the verge of departure, for exactly the same reasons as I left two other Pakistani sites; too many obnoxious trolls.

And, yes, many more hostile Pakistanis than I've ever seen before in one place.

Both young and old.



They aren't pleasant to me, as it happens.

If you are referring to political talk, there is no way you will find consensus with the other party on the internet....what we welcome and are willing to engage in is technical nature of the world's defense forces, history and analysis of the combat systems. I mean, you tell me, how much freedom does a non-Indian have on the BR forums and how much freedom do they have over here? Just don't abuse the freaking system.........but trolls will remain trolls.
You will be surprised to find the same non-sense on forums like airliners.net even though it entails no politics whatsoever.......people winging arguments and making jackA** comments.

If you really want to know Pakistan and Pakistanis you need to visit or live with them....at least that's how i did it with the Indians....... in real life they share the same passions and aspirations like us, they are one of us........definitely not Internet likes..... especially when those from Delhi/Mumbai/Gujarat/Punjab region have more in ethnic/linguistic common with me than they have with their south Indian counterparts.......
 
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Neat.

Now we don't actually have to read what you write.

Thanks, not_bro. I'm not really disappointed; there are those who think this way, but gulp hard and try to be polite as much as they can help it.

Lol, you have given me plenty of reason to believe otherwise. It was never about you.
 
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I like @Guynextdoor2 for his great username, great quality of posts and personality
Definitions of Narcissism:

1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

Welcome to the club!! :lol:
 
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If you are referring to political talk, there is no way you will find consensus with the other party on the internet....what we welcome and are willing to engage in is technical nature of the world's defense forces, history and analysis of the combat systems. I mean, you tell me, how much freedom does a non-Indian have on the BR forums and how much freedom do they have over here? Just don't abuse the freaking system.........but trolls will remain trolls.
You will be surprised to find the same non-sense on forums like airliners.net even though it entails no politics whatsoever.......people winging arguments and making jackA** comments.

If you really want to know Pakistan and Pakistanis you need to visit or live with them....at least that's how i did it with the Indians....... in real life they share the same passions and aspirations like us, they are one of us........definitely not Internet likes..... especially when those from Delhi/Mumbai/Gujarat/Punjab region have more in ethnic/linguistic common with me than they have with their south Indian counterparts.......

1. No, I was not referring to political talk, specifically, and yes, getting to really know Pakistan or Pakistanis involves visiting Pakistan or living there. And to some extent, I agree that there is greater affinity between north Indians and even western Indians and Pakistanis than between other Indians and Pakistanis. Having said that, those are generalisations; on our very small e-club, we have a very comfortable day-to-day relationship with each other (even the eastern Indians talk to the north Indians, a huge step, more than north Indians talking to and being comfortable with Pakistanis), and it has matured, over years, not days, weeks or months, to a point where visits are exchanged and there is genuine friendship beyond electronic encounters.

2. In that group, which is a simulation of a larger engagement, there is no consensus, but there is perfect harmony over the ways in which we exchange views, and the ways in which we disagree. I doubt that even in real life there will be consensus, but what I had hoped for, and what I see as achievable is the ability to engage in exchanges of views, even at times in tense exchanges of views, without any breakdown in the process. In the matter of consensus, I do not see a need for consensus beyond a mutual recognition of the other's right to exist as an organised state, and a general acceptance that in certain circumstances due to acts of God, there may be - in the default, there will be - mutual support and cooperation.

3. Regarding the future of internet encounters, I am even more pessimistic than you, and believe that due to certain sociological reasons, more Indian than anything else, no serious discussion is possible on electronic media. I joined here, specifically, not to engage in consensus building - that was the objective on those two other fora, and it gave us in our minute group the information and the skills to seek out each other - but to consider and discuss the history and development of military systems (please note the differences from your own formulation). Even that is in my opinion irretrievably damaged due to the bad blood created in the social sections.

4. As far as comparing Bharat Rakshak and PDF goes, I am amused at it being attempted at all. Why does PDF need to prove its worth vis-a-vis an Indian site, and why do PDF manners get defined in comparison with manners elsewhere? It is an abominable site with respect to manners and the courtesies; it has a great deal of valuable information on some aspects of military operations, and it is a site that I would not join even if paid to do so. I joined PDF at a time when it was viable, and I was happy for some years on this forum, which is as good as it gets on the Internet.

Lol, you have given me plenty of reason to believe otherwise. It was never about you.

Colour me childish and taking an urchin delight in throwing a stone into a mud puddle next to the well-dressed toff: I couldn't resist the opening you gave me. Of course you are right, but why miss a chance to put in an essentially harmless barb? :-)
 
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I am dismayed by the gap between Pakistan's potential and reality and the knowledge that "the fault [...] is not in our stars, but in ourselves"

And I have a very strong belief, one that grows every day, that it is just plain bad luck. That it is largely due to unfortunate turns and twists that might easily have gone the other way. That until the 50s and 60s, before some damn' fool or a group tried to egg things up, things were going gloriously well for Pakistan, and that in the early 60s, she suffered a collective rush of blood to the head, and all that followed stems back to that. There was too much bad luck, in too concentrated a flow. Friends of Pakistanis (that is the most honest formulation possible at the moment) can only hope that, just as in the roll of dice, there will soon be a favourable run.

I got them most, during discussion on kashmir, its legality and Pakistan's illegal status by going against their own article 257 256 :P

This is not an appropriate forum for discussing Kashmir, IMHO.
 
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