HOW DID INDIA AND PAKISTAN PULL THIS OFF ???

[AfrazulMandal]

JeM has attacked the Pakistani State in the past. In the long run they are a liability.

When?

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Want a towel?



Yes, I remember someone saying that at Asal Uttar.



Idiot.

The Indian kill count is due to the competence of ISPR.
The Pakistani kill count is due to the incompetence of ISPR.

Get your concepts clear before irritating these good people.



That's why, on another thread, another forum, I advised my friends to wait until the ISPR confirms that a Pakistani pilot was killed in action. Some people believe in all or nothing.

. No one on this forum could have said it better than you.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Seriously, please look at the other posts; what are you doing here?

Swamped! Posting in between resolving engineering issues at work

 

[AfrazulMandal]

And why take action now?

It sends a very wrong message .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ask NY Times, Washington post, CNN, BBC, Aljazeera

It is noted that in your view, the reports in these publications equate to those of military analysts. Not terribly surprising.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Want a towel?



Yes, I remember someone saying that at Asal Uttar.



Idiot.

The Indian kill count is due to the competence of ISPR.
The Pakistani kill count is due to the incompetence of ISPR.

Get your concepts clear before irritating these good people.



That's why, on another thread, another forum, I advised my friends to wait until the ISPR confirms that a Pakistani pilot was killed in action. Some people believe in all or nothing.

What do you think happened?

How many Indian and Pak aircraft were lost?

 

[Joe Shearer]

You bad boy.

Now hand over the towel. YOU are not Krishna, these respectable gentlemen are NOT gopis.

Swamped! Posting in between resolving engineering issues at work

Yes, chief. Hope you don't mind my escaping the lunatic asylum that is the Indian media at work and taking refuge in this. Needed some fresh air.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

You mean the 44 CRPF jawans killed by a vehicle born IED driven by a suicide bomber? Yes, we accepted the JeM claim that they had done it, and bombed their camp. What did you want 'shown for it'?

Did you dismantle JeM? No
Did you stop "Pakistans support of JeM"? No
Did you prevent further violence from Kashmiri civillians? No

No, our country's existence revolves around whatever the ISPR 'literally' says. I am glad you don't step back and look at this thread. It would be cruel.

And, as you have correctly assumed was the Pakistani understanding of the situation, nobody from the Indian military or political leadership ever suspected that there might be a tit-for-tat reaction.

DON'T step back.

At least ISPR provides evidence in a calm manner, rather than some panicked sweaty general waving around a missile fragment on tv and making ridiculous fairy tales

As for not expecting payback, then you just summed up exactly why they are incompetent therefore proving the point of my original post

thank you

 

[SorryNotSorry]

You bad boy.

Now hand over the towel. YOU are not Krishna, these respectable gentlemen are NOT gopis.

Hahaha. done sir

 

[Joe Shearer]

What do you think happened?

How many Indian and Pak aircraft were lost?

Ask me a fortnight later. When all the fanboys have gone home. Nobody is listening to anybody today.

 

[Longhorn]

Since PAF claims they shot down two IAF jets and completely rubbished that a F16 went down...the gun footage is only available with PAF...IAF dont have any proof as their jets were destroyed in action...if PAF released the footage of its jet taking down IAF jets...its game over for modi...will they ever release that footage is the million dollar question and in the process prove without an iota of doubt andnail IAF...until something like that happens neither side can be believed.

They're going to release it at the time of the Indian elections for maximum impact.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Ask me a fortnight later. When all the fanboys have gone home. Nobody is listening to anybody today.

Accha besh.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes, chief. Hope you don't mind my escaping the lunatic asylum that is the Indian media at work and taking refuge in this. Needed some fresh air.

As far as the IAF is concerned, I've posted elsewhere that the Balakot attack was well planned. The IAF ran decoy sorties to the south, pulled in PAF CAP's to engage those sorties, understood PAF response times to the target location and that peacetime RoE's would likely not include a kinetic engagement. Everything went to plan bar the actual target information being bad.

Now, assuming that some sort of massive cover-up and sanitizing the attack site by Pakistan does not come to light, the question for India should be why their intelligence was so poor (some international and Pakistani sources are stating that the JeM training camps in and around Balakot were wrapped up a long time ago). To undertake a massive risk in carrying out these strikes, not to mention the all but guaranteed military escalation (though on the latter there is some debate on whether India genuinely expected Pakistan to not respond), and not have a confirmed target points to very poor decision making and/or intelligence analysis.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Did you dismantle JeM? No
Did you stop "Pakistans support of JeM"? No
Did you prevent further violence from Kashmiri civillians? No

Drat! I knew those idiot pilots should have ejected, gone around from hut to hut, and dismantled JeM.
BTW, Pakistan NEVER supported JeM; Pakistan NEVER supports terrorist organisations. I am ashamed of you.
As for Kashmiri civilians, our business, leave us to sort it out as painlessly as possible.

At least ISPR provides evidence in a calm manner, rather than some panicked sweaty general waving around a missile fragment on tv and making ridiculous fairy tales

You were close enough to smell him? And identify his panic?

Why do you insist on making an exhibition of yourself?

As for not expecting payback, then you just summed up exactly why they are incompetent therefore proving the point of my original post

thank you

You're welcome.

Now do some basic math.: how long does it take to cover the distance from your side of the border to the point where your planes dropped their ordnance on forward headquarters?

I hope you don't mind cold showers even without the usual reason for one.

As far as the IAF is concerned, I've posted elsewhere that the Balakot attack was well planned. The IAF ran decoy sorties to the south, pulled in PAF CAP's to engage those sorties, understood PAF response times to the target location and that peacetime RoE's would likely not include a kinetic engagement. Everything went to plan bar the actual target information being bad.

Now, assuming that some sort of massive cover-up and sanitizing the attack site by Pakistan does not come to light, the question for India should be why their intelligence was so poor (some international and Pakistani sources are stating that the JeM training camps in and around Balakot were wrapped up a long time ago). To undertake a massive risk in carrying out these strikes, not to mention the all but guaranteed military escalation (though on the latter there is some debate on whether India genuinely expected Pakistan to not respond), and not have a confirmed target points to very poor decision making and/or intelligence analysis.

It sounds awfully like you are expecting a serious answer. Is that so? Please confirm this.

 

[IFB]

They're going to release it at the time of the Indian elections for maximum impact.

we will see...i have great belief that some thing this big cannot be buried for too long...too many people on both sides involved.