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How Civilizations Die: (And Why Iran is Dying Too)

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As i said before, we are not under serious threat, but could be. What Turkey is doing is taking precautions.


what kinds of precautions?

and what is Turkish speaking fertility rates? Currently,you have higher fertility rates than Iran, but it seems like Kurds are having more kids, than the Turks. , which is not good for Turkey's future.



BTW, right now Iran is not in danger either, but in 2070 we could face a crisis. That's why I opened this thread.
 
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Sinan said:
As i said before, we are not under serious threat, but could be. What Turkey is doing is taking precautions.
what kinds of precautions?
Eh, perhaps Erdo has banned condoms as well, in addition to booze... who knows.


Start making babies @iranigirl2 and tell Iranigirl1 also to get busy making babies.

Remember, Cyrus is counting on you to save the Persian Civilization.
I will.Once I'm with school and find a handsome husband. I don't care about race, but he has to be educated, polite, and familiar with middle Eastern culture! :)

Forgive my cynicism, but it wouldn't help the cause that much as your kids would be 3rd generation Iranian-Americans—or Americans for short.
 
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Forgive my cynicism, but it wouldn't help the cause that much as your kids would be 3rd generation Iranian-Americans.

LOL. I'm not planning to reverse Iran's low fertility rates.....Even if I do decide to live in Iran,I can only do so much......

I'm just trying to see, what will happen to Iran in the future.


Russian fertility rates not looking too good either.....
 
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Iran’s low fertility rate has produced a rapidly aging population, according to a new U.N. report. The rate has declined from 2.2 births per woman in 2000 to 1.6 in 2012. This has pushed the median age of Iranians to 27.1 years in 2010, up from 20.8 years in 2000. The median age could reach 40 years by 2030, according to the U.N. Population Division. An elderly and dependent population may heavily tax Iran’s public health infrastructure and social security network.

In mid-2012, the Islamic Republic announced plans to cut back the family program that had brought down the fertility rate from 6.6 births in 1977 to about 2 births per woman in 2000. The supreme leader said it was “wrong” to continue the family planning program in later years, and he called on women to have more children. Iran's annual population growth rate is projected to be just one percent until 2015. The following table is an excerpt from the 2013 U.N. Human Development Report.


U.N. Stats: Iran's Slow Population Growth | The Iran Primer
 
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Be Fruitful And Multiply: Iran’s Program To Increase Its Population Might Not Work


The Iranian government, already burdened by Western sanctions over its disputed nuclear program, is again encouraging young couples in the country to have more children in order to cope with the kind of aging demographics that currently plague Western Europe and Japan.Teheran officials, who have spearheaded a door-to-door campaign to spread a health education propaganda drive, want to spark a baby boom that would double the Iranian population to about 150 million.

The Daily Telegraph reported that no less than 150,000 health workers have mobilized for the ambitious project, literally knocking on the doors of homes to encourage single-child families to have more offspring.

Medical universities have also been recruited to help with the process of encouraging Iranian families to be more fruitful and multiply.

The new policy dramatically reverses a birth control program the government introduced in the early 1990s, which provided contraceptives and family-planning lessons to couples across Iran over fears the population was climbing too quickly since the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979.

By 1986, seven years after the revolution, Iran’s population was growing by 3 percent annually, one of the highest rates in the world (by 2011, that figure dropped to 1 percent, according to the United Nations).

Mohammad Ismail Motlagh, general manager of the health ministry’s family, school health and population program, told the Telegraph that the phenomenon of single-child families in Iran is leading to “social and emotional problems.”

“In the marriage training course, we have focused more on the child-producing, because the single-child issue has caused so many problems and provoked much debate,” Motlagh told the Fars news agency.

Last year, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the elimination of a government population control program that was designed to reduce fertility rates.

Farzaneh Roudi-Fahimi, program director for the Middle East and North Africa at the Population Reference Bureau, a private nonprofit research group in Washington, D.C., noted that, between 1977 and 2000, Iran’s fertility rate plunged from 6.6 births per woman to 2 in 2000, then slipped to 1.9 births in 2006.

“The decline was particularly striking in rural areas, where the average number of births per woman dropped from 8.1 to 2.1 in a single generation,” Roudi-Fahimi wrote, adding that European countries took about 300 years to experience a similar decline.

Now, like Japan and Western Europe, the Iranian population is quickly aging.

Between the mid-1970s and 2012, the median age in Iran jumped from 18 to 28 in 2012 and is further expected to increase to 40 by 2030. As such, the Tehran regime believes the population control programs from decades ago are no longer needed. (All this has occurred apparently without significant numbers of abortions, which have been illegal in Iran since 1979.)

Two years ago, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered financial incentives to spur more families with multiple children -- under this program, each newborn baby received a $950 deposit in a government bank account. That amount increases by $95 each year until the child turned 18. At age 20, the young man or woman can access the funds to pay for education, marriage, health and housing.

But Roudi-Fahimi is skeptical the new policy will work, partly because small family size is now “enshrined in the psyche” of both men and women.

“The public is now used to having control over reproductive rights and may continue to do so, whether through government-sponsored health services or the private sector,” she wrote.

She cited that in 2012 almost three-fourths (74 percent) of married women in Iran between the ages of 15 to 49 practiced some form of family planning, 60 percent used one form of contraception or another, and one-third depend on female or male sterilization (rates are similar to those found in the U.S.).

Moreover, since 1979, the number of Iranian women going to universities has skyrocketed -- as in the West, educated Iranians are pushing back the timetable of getting married and having children, thereby making it more unlikely that they would have large families.

“The majority of Iranian women live a modern lifestyle,” Roudi-Fahimi wrote.

“And increasing numbers are also active in politics too. Many women active on reproductive rights issues have been at the forefront of the democracy movement, organizing petitions and taking to the streets to demand even more rights.”

Iranian couples also are dissuaded from expanding their families due to soaring inflation.

“Another baby is a financial burden -- the cost of midwifery, powdered milk and, later on, kindergarten," Mahnaz Mahjouri, a psychologist, told the Los Angeles Times.

"The new values are to be a working wife, not a housewife and mother. Families cannot afford economically more than one child or maximum two, so the views about mothering are changing."

Reza Ali Mohammadi, an Iranian man in Teheran with two young sons, also complained about the high costs of education.

"A simple and primitive kindergarten charges you $150 for each child per month, while the average salary for a skilled worker is less than $500," he told the paper. "So how can I afford to have three children?"


Be Fruitful And Multiply: Iran
 
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what kinds of precautions?
and what is Turkish speaking fertility rates? Currently,you have higher fertility rates than Iran, but it seems like Kurds are having more kids, than the Turks. , which is not good for Turkey's future.
BTW, right now Iran is not in danger either, but in 2070 we could face a crisis. That's why I opened this thread.

Precautions...... well it's still being discussed, no precautions had taken yet.... But "Sultan" Erdogan said "3 children per family", even his word raised the fertility rate from 2.02 to 2.08

I was talking about Turkey's FR not ethnic Turk's, but you are right.

Why i said Iran's is in danger while Turkey is not..... well I had once watched a video saying that in the history no nation has reversed rates from 1.9 and yours is below that.

Here is the video, i'm speaking of.
 
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what kinds of precautions?

and what is Turkish speaking fertility rates? Currently,you have higher fertility rates than Iran, but it seems like Kurds are having more kids, than the Turks. , which is not good for Turkey's future.

Taking more people from Turkic countries like Turkmenistan , Kazakistan , Azerbaijan and Russians.Even though when it comes to natural resources those Turkic countries in Central Asia are looks more rich than us in reality dictators ruling those Turkic countries(as usual dictator) stealing people's money and majority of population is far more poor than here.Thats why number of non-Turkey Turkics in here increasing every year and those guys have no problem to be classified as Turk(unlike Kurds).

Another massive migration to Turkey is Russians in particular Russian Woman and guess what? Turkish men love get their hands on a Russian woman as a wife instead of Turkish girls seen as problematic(demand too much) and arrogant compared to less demanding and mild Russian woman.As you can guess those children born from Russian wife and Turk husband became Turk too.In fact last year head of Diyanet gave a speech saying Turkish men taking too much Russian woman as wife and neglecting our own woman.

Even outside Turkic countries there are millions of Turkic people like Uzbek population in Afghanistan and Pakistan we can easily bring those guys to here give them free houses , farm fields and classify them as Turks.

In fact we already brought some number of Kyrgyz Turks from Afghanistan in 1982 and placed them to Van and they are also Village Guards > Here my post

So unlike Persians we got a very large pool of Turkic people in Central Asia so we can always create more Turks by bringing them here , in short you don't have to worry our demographic superiorty againts Kurds will always be protected.
 
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People want less children because 1. everything is expensive now and 2. They care about their children , Their future and etc

It was 30 - 40 years ago that people used women as a baby maker and you could find a football team in every single house .

Adding that , Its none of westerns business to judge Iran and Islam and write books for them .

I think Islam is not dying here , Just the ones that really believe in it and think its useful following it and as the time goes duplicity and pretending are disappeared .

People used to make jokes of 'Islam as the fastest breeding religion'. Seems like the joke is going to be outdated soon.
 
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Taking more people from Turkic countries like Turkmenistan , Kazakistan , Azerbaijan and Russians.Even though when it comes to natural resources those Turkic countries in Central Asia are looks more rich than us in reality dictators ruling those Turkic countries(as usual dictator) stealing people's money and majority of population is far more poor than here.Thats why number of non-Turkey Turkics in here increasing every year and those guys have no problem to be classified as Turk(unlike Kurds).

Another massive migration to Turkey is Russians in particular Russian Woman and guess what? Turkish men love get their hands on a Russian woman as a wife instead of Turkish girls seen as problematic(demand too much) and arrogant compared to less demanding and mild Russian woman.As you can guess those children born from Russian wife and Turk husband became Turk too.In fact last year head of Diyanet gave a speech saying Turkish men taking too much Russian woman as wife and neglecting our own woman.

Even outside Turkic countries there are millions of Turkic people like Uzbek population in Afghanistan and Pakistan we can easily bring those guys to here give them free houses , farm fields and classify them as Turks.

In fact we already brought some number of Kyrgyz Turks from Afghanistan in 1982 and placed them to Van and they are also Village Guards
So unlike Persians we got a very large pool of Turkic people in Central Asia so we can always create more Turks by bringing them here , in short you don't have to worry our demographic superiorty againts Kurds will always be protected.
You gotta love Turks' fantasies. No wonder it took almost a century for them to learn the difference between 'Mountain Turks' and Kurds. They finally got there of course. The hard way.
 
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Persian civilization has lasted more than two millenniums and will last for few more centuries.

This too vague "Persian" in this sense is meaningless - the civilization of the Fars is unique and "Persian" a universe, a multiplicity -- anyway lest hope the Iranian revolution , finally, allows the one kind of religiosity bit to die, which of course must mean that the "islamic" in the Republic must also be allowed to task wing and give expression to multiplicity and in this way, affirm the "persian"
 
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