How can Pakistan Navy defend itself from Brahmos cruse missile ?

[Mike_Brando]

Dude, What did you smoke before typing all those BS?

The same thing your fellow compatriot @aazar was smoking when he wrote that derogatory crap about the Indian Navy.I was just replying him back in this own coin.

 

[cabatli_53]

The same thing your fellow compatriot @aazar was smoking when he wrote that derogatory crap about the Indian Navy.I was just replying him back in this own coin.

If you are replying him back, You should focus on correcting the things He claimed instead of talking about what you don't have any idea.

 

[Mike_Brando]

If you are replying him back, You should focus on correcting the things He claimed instead of talking about what you don't have any idea.

Seriously,i don't have any idea about my own Navy!He said that it would be easy for the P.N. to sink an "already sinking" Navy.So you tell me,isn't it a derogatory crap against the world's one of the most powerful Navies!Have you even seen an Indian member going to the Turkish section and intentionally trolling on the turkish members,saying derogatory things about your Armed Forces!Truth to be told,we have got no ill feelings against Turkey.On the contrary many Turkish members come to the Indian defense sections and start trolling without any given reason.

 

[Omega007]

Going on war directly is not the only thing to do. Read about Arab Israel wars you'll realize how US backed Israel without intervening directly.

Pakistan was able to repel your so called full offensive slaughter in 65 when you attacked Lahore and out numbered PA 5:1. And most recently after Mumbai attacks India wanted to go on war once again but that didn't happened, ever wondered why?

Pakistan never goes for offensive, its doctrine is a defensive one. A little bit of reading and use of common sense harms no one.

Seriously!!You know what - why don't you make it 50:1 or even better............500:1 !!Kiddo,do you even know that back in 65,Indian Army was actually out numbered by Pakistani Army in terms of Tanks and medium artillery??But how would you know,neither do I expect a madrassa scum like you have an iota of know wrt this things.

Whether its Cruise missile or not My answer is that PN has a answer to brahmos cruise missile. There is no law that cruise missile can only be answered with cruise missile. at terminal stage it has mach 5.5 at final stage lets say sea skimming it has more than mach 4 so...

Dude see I am not saying Brahmos is in disadvantage or weak it is In my opinion one of the best cruise missile with such an enormous velocity defending it is not impossible I just said the navy will have less reaction time which can save PN ship at some probability however if fired in some groups rather than single launch on target the PN will suffer heavy losses. But PN will also assure that IN has losses too. Just saying man if we look at this thread topic the answer is PN has no excellent defence to counter brahmos but has a chance to intercept it using point defense system only which has less reaction time.

Dude you kidding me??The so called CM 400AKG is designed for a top attack profile from a high altitude.And that's the only way it can achieve such a velocity given its dimensions which looks like out of this world for it to be sea skimming missile.Forget mach 4,such a missile will barely be supersonic at level flight.And there lies the problem - due to its high trajectory flight pattern,it will get picked up by IN's powerful and modern radar network (which in any case is full two generations ahead of what PN has at present) much earlier compared to what would be possible against a sea skimming missile and will therefore give them plenty of times to react.But Brahmos doesn't have such a limitation since it travels its last 50-60 km at just 10 meter ASL,which means the shipborne radars can not pick it up at longer distances due to earth's curvature.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Seriously!!You know what - why don't you make it 50:1 or even better............500:1 !!Kiddo,do you even know that back in 65,Indian Army was actually out numbered by Pakistani Army in terms of Tanks and medium artillery??But how would you know,neither do I expect a madrassa scum like you have an iota of know wrt this things.

@A2Z is right about Indian army having 5:1 ratio against pak army at lahore.Overall Indian army out numbered Pak army by 3:1.in 1965i.e.Indian infantry had 700000 soldiers against 250000 soldiers of pak army.

!Kiddo,do you even know that back in 65,Indian Army was actually out numbered by Pakistani Army in terms of Tanks and medium artillery??But how would you know,neither do I expect a madrassa scum like you have an iota of know wrt this things.

In 1965 Pakistan did have ONLY SLIGHT numerical superiority in terms of number of tanks.Overall,Indian army had more artillery pieces.......You don`t seem to understand that of Indian army was vastly superiority to Pakistan army in almost everything....But how would a bigot understand that.....

 

[Omega007]

Seriously,i don't have any idea about my own Navy!He said that it would be easy for the P.N. to sink an "already sinking" Navy.So you tell me,isn't it a derogatory crap against the world's one of the most powerful Navies!Have you even seen an Indian member going to the Turkish section and intentionally trolling on the turkish members,saying derogatory things about your Armed Forces!Truth to be told,we have got no ill feelings against Turkey.On the contrary many Turkish members come to the Indian defense sections and start trolling without any given reason.

See!!This is the reason I generally tend to avoid these sort of threads because after a certain time,they turn into stupid d!ck measuring contests more often than not.

@A2Z is right about Indian army having 5:1 ratio against pak army at lahore.Overall Indian army out numberes Pak army by 3:1.i.Indian infantry had 700000 soldiers against 250000 soldiers of pak army.

First of all,Pakistan Army had about 300k active troops back in 65.And the 700k numbers for the IA is totally misleading since Indian Army was going through a big expansion and when the hostilities began,the process wasn't even nearly complete!!A big number of the Indian formations that took part in the war were neither properly trained nor equipped!!Many formations were inexperienced and their trainings were not completed.
And besides,even if we take your numbers to be true,there is no way Indian infantry could have outnumbered their Pakistani counterparts by more than 2 to 1 because the most well equipped and well trained formations of the Indian Army,namely 10 odd numbers of mountain divisions (about 1/3 rd of then Indian Army) did not take part in that war,who were deployed along the LAC since the wound of 1962 debacle was still very fresh into our minds!!So they were never committed into the war!!But of course you wouldn't know that and I don't blame you either!!How would you know when your ruling elites have more or less rewritten the history and fed it to you guys for their own vested interests.

In 1965 Pakistan did have ONLY SLIGHT numerical superiority in terms of number of tanks.

True if you compare them from an absolute numbers' pov.But did you ever stop to think for once,about what were the models of tanks available to both sides at the start of war??Lets see - The Pakistani Army had somewhere between 3500-420 M47 and M 48 Patton tanks and the rests were late model M4 Shermans,armed with a 76 mm high velocity gun.On the other hand,Indian Army had 188 Centurion MkIXs,some 300 early model M4 Shermans with the original short barreled 75mm guns with lower velocity and a large number of AMX 17s which could not even be considered as a true tank with enough protection just aga9inst small arms rounds and some artillery fragments!!So there goes your theory about a super advanced Indian Army.

Overall,Indian army had more artillery pieces.......You don`t seem to understand that of Indian army was vastly superiority to Pakistan army in almost everything

Again,a half truth only!!The quality of the Pakistani Army artillery was far better compared to what was available to Indian Army.All we had back then were just 105mm and 122mm guns (and 75mm pack howitzers of course)which neither had the range nor the punch of the 155mm and 209mm Pakistani Army artillery guns!!So again,as is quite well known,Pakistani Army had enjoyed significant advantage over their Indian counterparts in terms of training,artillery and armor - which are three of the most crucial things in any campaign.Besides,Pakistan Army also enjoyed significant advantage in terms of transportation and communication equipments!!So I ask you again - how on earth you came to the above conclusion??

....But how would a bigot understand that.....

Sure Sure,why not??I got to be a bigot since I speak the truth!!Nice logic you have got there.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

See!!This is the reason I generally tend to avoid these sort of threads because after a certain time,they turn into stupid d!ck measuring contests more often than not.



First of all,Pakistan Army had about 300k active troops back in 65.And the 700k numbers for the IA is totally misleading since Indian Army was going through a big expansion and when the hostilities began,the process wasn't even nearly complete!!A big number of the Indian formations that took part in the war were neither properly trained nor equipped!!Many formations were inexperienced and their trainings were not completed.
And besides,even if we take your numbers to be true,there is no way Indian infantry could have outnumbered their Pakistani counterparts by more than 2 to 1 because the most well equipped and well trained formations of the Indian Army,namely 10 odd numbers of mountain divisions (about 1/3 rd of then Indian Army) did not take part in that war,who were deployed along the LAC since the wound of 1962 debacle was still very fresh into our minds!!So they were never committed into the war!!But of course you wouldn't know that and I don't blame you either!!How would you know when your ruling elites have more or less rewritten the history and fed it to you guys for their own vested interests.



True if you compare them from an absolute numbers' pov.But did you ever stop to think for once,about what were the models of tanks available to both sides at the start of war??Lets see - The Pakistani Army had somewhere between 3500-420 M47 and M 48 Patton tanks and the rests were late model M4 Shermans,armed with a 76 mm high velocity gun.On the other hand,Indian Army had 188 Centurion MkIXs,some 300 early model M4 Shermans with the original short barreled 75mm guns with lower velocity and a large number of AMX 17s which could not even be considered as a true tank with enough protection just aga9inst small arms rounds and some artillery fragments!!So there goes your theory about a super advanced Indian Army.


Again,a half truth only!!The quality of the Pakistani Army artillery was far better compared to what was available to Indian Army.All we had back then were just 105mm and 122mm guns (and 75mm pack howitzers of course)which neither had the range nor the punch of the 155mm and 209mm Pakistani Army artillery guns!!So again,as is quite well known,Pakistani Army had enjoyed significant advantage over their Indian counterparts in terms of training,artillery and armor - which are three of the most crucial things in any campaign.Besides,Pakistan Army also enjoyed significant advantage in terms of transportation and communication equipments!!So I ask you again - how on earth you came to the above conclusion??



Sure Sure,why not??I got to be a bigot since I speak the truth!!Nice logic you have got there.

We can discuss it but this has gone way off topic....If u want to discuss it,then create a separate thread for it

 

[Omega007]

We can discuss it but this has gone way off topic....If u want to discuss it,then create a separate thread for it

Of course I would like to have a further discussion on this subject,somewhere else.A proper discussion,without the usual rants and all. And thanks by the way.

 

[nomi007]

how u stop df-21 (shaheen carrier killer missile)
CM-400AKG
cx-1
raad
babur
we will sink ur carrier this type we promise

 

[Mike_Brando]

how u stop df-21 (shaheen carrier killer missile)
CM-400AKG
cx-1
raad
babur
we will sink ur carrier this type we promise

Well,you may be able to sink one of our carriers this time but we also promise you that we will sink your entire navy in the bottom of the Arabian sea this time with thousands of Nirbhays,Shauryas,Brahmos,Klub,Kh-35,Brahmos-M etc.

 

[Basel]

New brahmos have become more deadly. Brahmos M have 25% higher speed. This year, verticle (90* and not steep dive) dive on target is planned agaist a target. Air launch brahmos shall have significantly higher range.




Do you know how much time your gun shall get to engage brahmos? If not than read the article How to defend Brahmos posted by me.

Dude I have discussed this topic on board F-22P and they laughed and said let Indians on net say what they like but their Navy knows that we can defend our ports and coastlines.

 

[ares]

Dude I have discussed this topic on board F-22P and they laughed and said let Indians on net say what they like but their Navy knows that we can defend our ports and coastlines.

What else do you expect them to say, our situation out here is pathetic...most of our weapons are second hand or cheap chinese knock offs...our budget is 1/11 the of Indian Navy's($567 million vs $6.4 Billion). As soon as Brahmos is fired on us, we'll give general order to abandon ship and jump overboard ?

 

[Basel]

What else do you expect them to say, our situation out here is pathetic...most of our weapons are second hand or cheap chinese knock offs...our budget is 1/11 the of Indian Navy's($567 million vs $6.4 Billion). As soon as Brahmos is fired on us, we'll give general order to abandon ship and jump overboard ?

No PN weapons are not cheap as Indian pose to the world even many Chinese systems are east west hypbrid, it will continue untill China can make all top of the line system in house.

Do you think Augostas, P-3s, F-22Ps, MRTPs are cheap and knock offs then you living in fools paradise.

 

[NKVD]

Do you think Augostas, P-3s, F-22Ps, MRTPs are cheap and knock offs then you living in fools paradise.

you call F-22p a good Frigate
Let Me Tell you what Frigate is Shivalik-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ares]

No IN weapons are not cheap as Indian pose to the world even many Chinese systems are east west hypbrid, it will continue untill China can make all top of the line system in house.

Chinese weapons on board f-22P are cheap knock offs western and russian weapons.

C-802 ..Harpoon
FM-90 SAM...Cortale
Type 730 CIWS ...AK630
AK176..soviet main gun

ON top of it..F-22P(2500 tonnes) is hardly the size of a corvette, yet has been designated as frigates, just like how Amazon class frigates(2750 tonnes) were classified as destroyers in Pakistan Navy.

In fact Indian Navy's Kamorta class corvette(2800 tonnes, 3400 tonnes full load) are bigger and better equipped than Pakistani frigates and destroyers..barring one OHP.