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How can Pakistan Navy defend itself from Brahmos cruse missile ?

It is known that India already develop Brahmos supersonic cruse missile for its Navy and also develop a version for its air-force .How can Pakistan Navy defend with its current arsenal and what will be the future requirement to defend itself from both air launch and ship launch Brahmos cruse Missile .here is a relevant thread regrading how USN can defend Brahmos
How to defend Brahmos?- American analysis.

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No defence just do ur last prayer till you see a glimpse of the mighty bramos ... _/\_
 
I'm Just Countering you Hypothetical Claims By Raw Facts In which you are Presuming that Chinese Will go war with India to Save Pakistan's Interest When in the Past they never Ever Done So Remember 65,71 or 99
Going on war directly is not the only thing to do. Read about Arab Israel wars you'll realize how US backed Israel without intervening directly.
In Real World in Conventional War Scenarios Pakistan Don't have Enough Resources to Take on Full Indian Offensive Slaughter .
Pakistan was able to repel your so called full offensive slaughter in 65 when you attacked Lahore and out numbered PA 5:1. And most recently after Mumbai attacks India wanted to go on war once again but that didn't happened, ever wondered why?
India Successfully can Fight with 30-35% of Its Resources with Full Pakistani Offensive .Gap Between India Pakistan is That wide
Pakistan never goes for offensive, its doctrine is a defensive one. A little bit of reading and use of common sense harms no one.
 
And how would India defend itself against the chinese Brahmos Equivalent in the Pakistani arsenal?

The chinese brahmos, of which they showcased a model in the recent show will be countered by Barak-8 system.

The major purpose of this system for Israel to counter Syrian p-800 missiles.(from which Brahmos is derived)
 
Going on war directly is not the only thing to do. Read about Arab Israel wars you'll realize how US backed Israel without intervening directly.
your Comparison of Pakistan with Israel is Hilarious.Best of Luck
Pakistan was able to repel your so called full offensive slaughter in 65 when you attacked Lahore and out numbered PA 5:1. And most recently after Mumbai attacks India wanted to go on war once again but that didn't happened, ever wondered why?
Again Old we won 65 Rant Let me Bust your Fan-boyish bubble

Despite the declaration of a ceasefire, India was perceived as the victor due to its success in halting the Pakistan-backed insurgency in Kashmir.[108] In its October 1965 issue, the TIME magazine quoted a Western official assessing the consequences of the war[109]

Now it's apparent to everybody that India is going to emerge as an Asian power in its own right.

In light of the failures of the Sino-Indian War, the outcome of the 1965 war was viewed as a "politico-strategic" victory in India. The Indian premier, Lal Bahadur Shastri, was hailed as a national hero in India.[110]

While the overall performance of the Indian military was praised, military leaders were criticized for their failure to effectively deploy India's superior armed forces so as to achieve a decisive victory over Pakistan.[111] In his book "War in the modern world since 1815", noted war historian Jeremy Black said that though Pakistan "lost heavily" during the 1965 war, India's hasty decision to call for negotiations prevented further considerable damage to the Pakistan Armed Forces. He elaborates[112]

India's chief of army staff urged negotiations on the ground that they were running out ammunition and their number of tanks had become seriously depleted. In fact, the army had used less than 15% of its ammunition compared to Pakistan, which had consumed closer to 80 percent and India had double the number of serviceable tanks.

As a consequence, India focussed on enhancing communication and coordination within and among the triservices of the Indian Armed Forces.

At the conclusion of the war, many Pakistanis considered the performance of their military to be positive. 6 September is celebrated as Defence Day in Pakistan, in commemoration of the successful defence of Lahore against the Indian army. The performance of the Pakistani Air Force, in particular, was praised.

However, the Pakistani government was accused by foreign analysts of spreading disinformation among its citizens regarding the actual consequences of the war.[119] In his book "Mainsprings of Indian and Pakistani foreign policies", S.M. Burke writes[18]

After the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 the balance of military power had decisively shifted in favor of India. Pakistan had found it difficult to replace the heavy equipment lost during that conflict while her adversary, despite her economic and political problems, had been determinedly building up her strength.

Most observers agree that the myth of a mobile, hard hitting Pakistan Army was badly dented in the war, as critical breakthroughs were not made.[120] Several Pakistani writers criticized the military's ill-founded belief that their "martial race" of soldiers could defeat "Hindu India" in the war.[121][122]


Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan never goes for offensive, its doctrine is a defensive one. A little bit of reading and use of common sense harms no one.
Rasul Bux Rais, a Pakistani political analyst wrote[123]

The 1965 war with India proved that Pakistan could neither break the formidable Indian defenses in a blitzkrieg fashion nor could she sustain an all-out conflict for long.

Ps: History Lesson:azn::azn:They Won't Teach you in Pakistan.
 
It is known that India already develop Brahmos supersonic cruse missile for its Navy and also develop a version for its air-force .How can Pakistan Navy defend with its current arsenal and what will be the future requirement to defend itself from both air launch and ship launch Brahmos cruse Missile .here is a relevant thread regrading how USN can defend Brahmos
How to defend Brahmos?- American analysis.

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New brahmos have become more deadly. Brahmos M have 25% higher speed. This year, verticle (90* and not steep dive) dive on target is planned agaist a target. Air launch brahmos shall have significantly higher range.

ESSM can intercept supersonic missiles even Phalnax-1B & above guns can engage supersonic missiles, it all depands on early detection and quick response.


Do you know how much time your gun shall get to engage brahmos? If not than read the article How to defend Brahmos posted by me.
 
Going on war directly is not the only thing to do. Read about Arab Israel wars you'll realize how US backed Israel without intervening directly.

Pakistan was able to repel your so called full offensive slaughter in 65 when you attacked Lahore and out numbered PA 5:1. And most recently after Mumbai attacks India wanted to go on war once again but that didn't happened, ever wondered why?

Pakistan never goes for offensive, its doctrine is a defensive one. A little bit of reading and use of common sense harms no one.
you never repelled us 65 .....it was end with a stalemate as both parties were entrenched where they were.....with India captured more fertile land of Pakistan including HAJI pir pass in Kashmir.....


After 2008 there was no major terrorist attacks in India ever wonder why"??
 
I am not expert but reading the expert opinion in the previous thread i think to defend self from Brahmos PN has two option first try to strike first at the attacking ship and aircraft

To counter that they have this

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If you can destroy brahmos with your type730 CIWS they can too. buth both side will face some destruction due to proximity of attcking missile in very close to ship .
U are saying almost exact same thing as mine but u ignore the fact that pakistani cm 400 akg are no mach 2 missiles but mach 4+ while brahmos top mach is 3 so...
 
The same way IN will defend against CM 400 AKG.

Indian navy has Barak NG, which from its inception was designed to stop supersonic Cruise missiles like Brahmos, what does Pakistan Navy have?

CM-400 AKG which is like Russian klub missile, which equips Indian navy's all 9 kilo class subs as well Shivalik and Talwar class frigates.

Only goes supersonic in terminal phase of it flight..long range Sams can bring down this missile, while it is still subsonic.
 
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U are saying almost exact same thing as mine but u ignore the fact that pakistani cm 400 akg are no mach 2 missiles but mach 4+ while brahmos top mach is 3 so...

Why do people always keep quoting cm 400 akg?
Its not a cruise missile, its an AShM which is not even supersonic all throughout its flight like the Brahmos. It reaches high speeds only at the terminal stage while following a linear path, whereas Brahmos does the S manuever right before interception.
 
Why do people always keep quoting cm 400 akg?
Its not a cruise missile, its an AShM which is not even supersonic all throughout its flight like the Brahmos. It reaches high speeds only at the terminal stage while following a linear path, whereas Brahmos does the S manuever right before interception.
Whether its Cruise missile or not My answer is that PN has a answer to brahmos cruise missile. There is no law that cruise missile can only be answered with cruise missile. at terminal stage it has mach 5.5 at final stage lets say sea skimming it has more than mach 4 so...

Dude see I am not saying Brahmos is in disadvantage or weak it is In my opinion one of the best cruise missile with such an enormous velocity defending it is not impossible I just said the navy will have less reaction time which can save PN ship at some probability however if fired in some groups rather than single launch on target the PN will suffer heavy losses. But PN will also assure that IN has losses too. Just saying man if we look at this thread topic the answer is PN has no excellent defence to counter brahmos but has a chance to intercept it using point defense system only which has less reaction time.
 
Ohh come on seriously,a Turk gonna lecture us on the matters of naval affair:hitwall:.Does Turkey even have an effective navy let alone a potent one!!All of Turkey's surface combatants are 2nd hand U.S. junks which have long been retired from the U.S.N.Heck your Navy don't even have the financial resources to buy off the shelf products and has to satisfy it's need by purchasing 2nd hand obsolete U.S.N. frigates:coffee:.The last time i heard that they were getting beaten black and blue by the Hellenic Navy which is the most potent navy in the Balkan region:azn:!!

Dude, What did you smoke before typing all those BS?
 
Whether its Cruise missile or not My answer is that PN has a answer to brahmos cruise missile. There is no law that cruise missile can only be answered with cruise missile. at terminal stage it has mach 5.5 at final stage lets say sea skimming it has more than mach 4 so...

Dude see I am not saying Brahmos is in disadvantage or weak it is In my opinion one of the best cruise missile with such an enormous velocity defending it is not impossible I just said the navy will have less reaction time which can save PN ship at some probability however if fired in some groups rather than single launch on target the PN will suffer heavy losses. But PN will also assure that IN has losses too. Just saying man if we look at this thread topic the answer is PN has no excellent defence to counter brahmos but has a chance to intercept it using point defense system only which has less reaction time.


As I said cm400 is an ASM I doubt it has sea skimming ability without the possibility of reduced range if at all. It flies from up to down, completely linear trajectory and makes head on interception easy for SAMs unlike Brahmos which uses the S-manuever.
You are putting too much emphasis on speed there are many missiles faster than Brahmos but that's not what makes it special, its Brahmos' asymmetric trajectory and mach speeds all throughout its flight which makes detection and engagement extremely hard. Even if it is detected it will already be too late to destroy it with anything.
 
Defending against Bromos is simple detecting it early....If you miss it it is going to fcuk big time....
 


Bro, Turkey is developing a very strong self defence capabilities for navy and land forces but Naval stabilized guns like STAMP-STOP-SMASH are not to engage mainly aerial threats.

Korkut-D CIWS + Hisar-A Low altitude Missile + Hisar-O Medium altitude Missile combination will be enough to deal with such effective coming missile systems in near future. Along with those systems, Turkish institutes commenced trials of lazer gun system to be integrated on TF-2000 frigates as well. Similar solutions under collaboration between Pakistan-Turkey can be adopted on PN platforms easily.

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Hisar-O
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Korkut-D twin barrel 35mm AHEAD capable CIWS
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35mm Munition called TARP (Attention to affected circle on target fired by just one 35mm bullet. Think multiple firing of TARP munitions over coming missiles)
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