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fool like you
Sorry kid
I will ignore the abuses and personal attacks. I hope you know the rules here.
As for the last bit no bias exists now- show me where I said that? I said they have revised it.....did I say they made it perfect? Nope coz only a fool like you would like to think something can be perfect
Check your comment below.
So changes have already been made so why is your stomach hurting?:
It implies that after the changes there is nothing left to discuss. And no, my stomach is not hurting, but thanks for your concern anyway.
I have answered with regards to this article :
But I guess you didnt read my reply as you were so bent in to troll
Zia is the escape goat for failed institutions ...This is a big issue if you would like to know more have a look at what was ALREADY established during Zia's time and how he just followed within the established boundaries: Why blame Zia for every ill in Pakistan?
I already talked about this guy ......Though I hate the guy as per what he writes about but I agree to a certain degree with him when he (in the very article you chose) says:
He is a prof so dont listen to me but at least listen to him!
I also agree with this
Key point is that its not in our nature/ culture/ tradition not even in our CONSTITUTION to preach hate!!
Politicizing and bigotry 2 evil mixed together can be toxic to any society!
AND this was furthered:
Now that is not part of the curriculum so you cant really directly blame the system if it is taught but not found in the curriculum!
That is his opinion he is free to offer and say what he wills!
Why didnt you highlight this? Is SC decision not serious?
Selective highlighting?
1) Who is he?
2) What excerpts? Which textbooks? each province has their own system ....so one needs to be more specific!
The problem with not providing the source is he could be making a mountain of an ant hill!
Each country has their own standards of tolerance and intolerance...Like in France it is not tolerant of something as innocent as a headscarf or a long skirt but will cry rivers for cartoons offending another religion calling it tolerance for freedom of expression!
So what is the deciding factor for what Peter here is using as a measuring stick? Words such as preached open hatred: how is it not open hatred when you allow bashing of another religion through freedom of expression even after knowing what the outcome would be? - THESE are just examples of hypocrisy and also to question what is tolerant and not and who is to decide?
As for this superior BS....I am under the opinion these were the first that got taken out or at least should be!
Well, until and unless these people are further educated - I have few threads on education and how ignorance shouldnt be tolerated...
Why didnt you highlight this? THIS is an issue!
This falls under the previously discussed portion of the article:
THIS I seriously didnt understand what she meant to highlight!
I have mentioned this in too many threads.....
Its possibly the root cause of the whole population not even thinking when voting!
This is a problem why didnt you highlight it? I thought this was a discussion!
Highlighting this as though it is important!
They agreed but it is not mentioned in the article what those points are...Highlighting it was to......fill in the blanks! So it shows religious discrimination is violation of the constitution! That is good they agreed!
THIS was a proposed solution and in effect but not deserving a highlighting I see
How are you supposed to discuss when you are selectively reading and highlighting throwing out the points raised, the issues taken into account and the changes proposed?
So its an old thing! Would mean also exists in india! Less to do with the "system" and more to do with.......................answered here:
Correctly said, now the question comes how to end it in society? What steps to take and then what are the ways to throw it out of the textbooks...1 way is to have a single publisher but that would also mean state will monitor/ limit education! Well in 1 way it is cool! But in the other it may lead to bigots getting position and doing BS!
I think it is safe to assume from your reply that the first article has failed the test of being authentic or substantive to prove that Pakistani text books teach religious bigotry and hatred against minority communities and falsify history (do point out if you disagree). Let's move on to another article, this time a bit different source, and it is dated October 23, 2012. This time I am not highlighting anything, see, I have learned from my mistake. Do let me know if we should count this as proof.
Roundtable: Reforming the Curricula: Hate Content in Pakistani Textbooks
October 23, 2012 ISLAMABAD: The textbooks used in Pakistan’s schools today are rife with factual errors, bias and hate towards a number of religious groups and nations. This is helping fuel the increasing levels of intolerance and extremism being witnessed by Pakistani society today. Given that increasing extremism poses an existential threat to Pakistan; the government, civil society, education experts and citizens all need to contribute to a serious process of curriculum and textbook reform to help combat the growing levels of intolerance and violence towards minority groups in society. This was the view of participants at a roundtable discussion on curriculum development and textbook reform in Pakistan, organised by the Jinnah Institute in collaboration with the National Commission for Justice and Peace in Islamabad.
Raza Rumi, Director of Policy and Programmes at the Jinnah Institute, opened the discussion by highlighting the urgent need for curriculum and textbook reform to achieve a more tolerant and peaceful Pakistan. Mr. Rumi also pointed out that cooperation between all stakeholders in the education sector is required to achieve better policy outcomes, and the Jinnah Institute roundtable is an effort towards that. “We need to find a balance between civil society and government initiatives so that important and innovative solutions to curriculum-related issues can be implemented,” Mr. Rumi said.
Mr. Peter Jacob, Executive Director of the National Commission for Justice and Peace shared NCJP’s report on biases in our textbooks and highlighted examples of hate material in Pakistani textbooks, and how such material not only impacts negatively the minds of the majority Muslim students, but also harms the education and growth of non-Muslim students. Participants also highlighted how the religion of many non-Muslim students – Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims from the non-majority sects – is ignored while highlighting the majority faith.
Mirza Ashraf, a senior official of the Punjab provincial government’s textbook board, outlined the process of commissioning, writing and approving textbooks. Participants felt the need for devising policy and advocacy interventions for correcting hate material and stressed that a concerted effort needs to be made to review the subtle messages in educational materials with respect to minorities’ and women’s rights, and the freedom of religion and speech.
Haider Abbas Rizvi, deputy parliamentary leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) in Pakistan’s National Assembly, spoke about the damage caused to Pakistani minds by an education system that teaches them a falsified version of history. “When students come out of this system and independently look at the world, their minds are struck by the contradictions. Many reject both, then, and become part of a confused generation,” Mr. Rizvi said, adding that he will pursue the matter with the education minister in the Sindh province, where his party is a member of the coalition government.
Samson Sharaf of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) detailed the persecution of non-Muslim Pakistanis over two decades, and how Christians and Hindus, the largest non-Muslim communities in the country, have been discriminated against and deprived of the opportunity to live as full citizens of Pakistan through a flawed and biased education system.
Through a consultative process and by engaging a variety of stakeholders, the Jinnah Institute hopes to develop dialogue and momentum for a comprehensive review of Pakistani curricula and textbooks that will help create a more tolerant and peaceful Pakistan.
Other participants included Zafarullah Khan, Centre for Civic Education, Marvi Sirmed, Human Rights Activist, Fauzia Minallah, Rights Activist, Malika Raza, PTI Policy Group, Patras Bhatti, St. Marys Academy, Tariq Aqeel, Head Start School, Nadine Murtaza, Head Start School, among others.
JI | Roundtable: Reforming the Curricula: Hate Content in Pakistani Textbooks