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How Bias in Text books fuels division in Pakistani society

This one doesnt tell me where the report they are referring to is! It is prob the same report as the next article you are claiming as a new article when it is

echoing the same thing!




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At the bottom of the propaganda it says:

knowing indians will not even read the article let alone the full report...If you click it ...it takes you back to the main page not the full report! So where is this mysterious report conducted in 2013?


This article was published in Received: October 5, 2010 Accepted: November 30, 2010

So its not a 2012 article as you are lying!

@Slav Defence and the lying bigotry continues!

Hold on, please bear with me for some time. Patience is a virtue. :)

It was presented to me by an indian trying to pass a 2010 article as 2011 article!

May be one such article? Hold on, I will give you verified 2015 articles...all I need is your patience and my free time..:)
 
Thread reopened to get some real sane responses and discussions to resolve the growing challenges being faced by education sector.No trolling,please.


regards
 
if you intend to be sarcastiC
You have got serious comprehension problems.
improve the quality of your English
I never claimed that I am fluent in English. Whatever I say is straight forward and simple. I speak urdu--- English is reserved for communicating with liberetards and trolls from across the border.
I am a proud Pakistani and prefer Urdu over English.... Unlike you, I am not a kala angrez.
. Your language is pedestrian at best, atrocious at worst.
Typical O/A level arrogance. The likes of you are the scum of our nation.
Your claim that students remember nothing from their Islamiyat curriculum is bogus - students are conditioned by information they receive at an early age. They may not be able to remember the specifics or even the source, but that does not preclude them from remembering the gist - the kafir is hate-worthy, India is the enemy, and so on. This is enough damage already. Saying that one does not retain the specifics is like claiming during an autopsy that since the poison that killed a person was (mostly) washed away from the body and only trace amounts detected, it must not have been the cause of death.
Communism----Danger to our very way of life---- what were the thoughts of an average American in the good old days of cold war and what was behind those thoughts? This world is not a utopia. Pakistan and India are also in a state of cold war. Every nation with enemies indoctrinates it's people and youth.
kafir is hate-worthy, India is the enemy,
Did you ever visit Pakistan in your entire life? How many Pakistanis did you meet in the streets of our cities? Or are you an Indian with a Pakistani name?
FYI India is very down in the list of interests and obsessions of a common Pakistani.
You follow that up with the unproven claim that Indian youth are more heavily indoctrinated and ill-disposed towards Pakistanis.
Go and find the proof yourself. If you do not know this basic fact even after joining pdf then remove the self hating sunglasses which you are wearing.
The thoughts of apparently liberal Indians after visiting Pakistan are a proof of that--- Those guys are surprised at the love and hospitality they get from "kafir hindu India hating" Pakistani citizens.
Finally, regarding your tag of “newbie” for me – this is PDF we are talking about. Had this been TED or any other remotely respectable forum, I would have gladly deferred to your greater exposure here. PDF is forced to suffer fools and trolls in a very high proportion, .
I never asked you to defer to my greater exposure. You and another man here time and again called me a troll and asked me to get my "head checked" and mocked me for just expressing my harmless opinion. That was the sole reason to remind you not to make false assumptions about someone you don't know in detail.





As for the rest of your post, it is typical blah blah that we are used to hear.
You are talking on the basis of assumptions and your so called proofs are articles based on false assumptions.
While you had been basing your argument on assumptions, I said what I see and observe everyday in Pakistan.
I shall ask this question again. Have you ever been to Pakistan?
 
Thread reopened to get some real sane responses and discussions to resolve the growing challenges being faced by education sector.No trolling,please.


regards
Thanx for reopening it I am very keen to watch the great discussion with our dada @Rain Man and @akhielos and would like to be only spectator.
 
You have got serious comprehension problems.

I never claimed that I am fluent in English. Whatever I say is straight forward and simple. I speak urdu--- English is reserved for communicating with liberetards and trolls from across the border.
I am a proud Pakistani and prefer Urdu over English.... Unlike you, I am not a kala angrez.

Typical O/A level arrogance. The likes of you are the scum of our nation.

Communism----Danger to our very way of life---- what were the thoughts of an average American in the good old days of cold war and what was behind those thoughts? This world is not a utopia. Pakistan and India are also in a state of cold war. Every nation with enemies indoctrinates it's people and youth.

Did you ever visit Pakistan in your entire life? How many Pakistanis did you meet in the streets of our cities? Or are you an Indian with a Pakistani name?
FYI India is very down in the list of interests and obsessions of a common Pakistani.

Go and find the proof yourself. If you do not know this basic fact even after joining pdf then remove the self hating sunglasses which you are wearing.
The thoughts of apparently liberal Indians after visiting Pakistan are a proof of that--- Those guys are surprised at the love and hospitality they get from "kafir hindu India hating" Pakistani citizens.

I never asked you to defer to my greater exposure. You and another man here time and again called me a troll and asked me to get my "head checked" and mocked me for just expressing my harmless opinion. That was the sole reason to remind you not to make false assumptions about someone you don't know in detail.





As for the rest of your post, it is typical blah blah that we are used to hear.
You are talking on the basis of assumptions and your so called proofs are articles based on false assumptions.
While you had been basing your argument on assumptions, I said what I see and observe everyday in Pakistan.
I shall ask this question again. Have you ever been to Pakistan?

Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you through sheer experience.
 
Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you through sheer experience.
When mirasis like you are out of arguments on pdf, they quote the same to bail out.
 
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When mirasis like you are out of arguments on pdf, they quote the same to bail out.

Now piss off d-bag, wasted enough of my precious time with a fag like you.

The guy you are calling these names...if at the end of your existence you are as capable and erudite as he is, you would be fortunate. But what would a semi-literate person like you know about that, anti-intellectualism of your kind has ruined your nation, and will further do so.
 
When mirasis like you are out of arguments on pdf, they quote the same to bail out.

Now piss off d-bag, wasted enough of my precious time with a fag like you.
Psychic , no offense but you are in over your head, insults cannot make up for incomprehension, let the big boys play. This should be an interesting thread to watch. :pop:
 
Psychic , no offense but you are in over your head, insults cannot make up for incomprehension, let the big boys play. This should be an interesting thread to watch. :pop:
Agreed so pls boys leave aside abusing or bashing quotes so that this thread is not closed, I want to see the end result THE CLASH OF THE TITANS, so pls be like me quiet spectator, let the match end then spill all what you got !!!

When mirasis like you are out of arguments on pdf, they quote the same to bail out.

Now piss off d-bag, wasted enough of my precious time with a fag like you.
Sir pls cool off now, just the big guys discuss why waist your energy?

The guy you are calling these names...if at the end of your existence you are as capable and erudite as he is, you would be fortunate. But what would a semi-literate person like you know about that, anti-intellectualism of your kind has ruined your nation, and will further do so.
Sir pls stop I don't want you to give any chance of being banned.
 
Thread reopened to get some real sane responses and discussions to resolve the growing challenges being faced by education sector.No trolling,please.


regards

To discuss the topic in hand which is: "How Bias in Text books fuels division in Pakistani society", we have to first establish the fact that there is actually any bias in Pakistani text books, something that the eminent researcher Miss @Akheilos is completely denying to begin with, and she later settled for a year 2011, post which there were supposed to be some course correction in Pakistani text books and no such bias exist now, as per Miss @Akheilos (If I haven't misunderstood her).

So firsts thing first, let us first find out if there is actually any bias in Pakistani text books now, the discussion on the requirement for any course correction may come later. I would request you to be around to check any trolling or personal attack by any member.

@Akheilos we will deal with one article at a time, all articles must be from 2012 onward, as agreed upon. You may just mention if the content of the articles I will be posting from now on are "True" or "False" without giving any explanation, I will take your words for it. However, you are free to explain further why these articles are "True" or "False" as per your wish and convenience. I hope that would be a fair deal without any confusion or complaint.


First article from mainstream Pakistani media "Dawn", dated May 20, 2015:


Hate material in books has impacted entire generations
XARI JALIL — UPDATED MAY 20, 2015 08:03AM

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“It must be understood if we don’t treat all citizens as equal, Pakistan can never progress or survive peacefully.”— Dawn/file

LAHORE: Panelists discussed on Tuesday the impact of hate material in textbooks on society at a conference by the National Commission for Justice and Peace on “Uprooting Religious Intolerance through Formal Education in Pakistan”.

They discussed a Supreme Court judgement of 2014 which is the very first reinterpretation of Article 20, which calls for religious freedom in Pakistan.

Panelists agreed that the roots of intolerance arose from the two-nation theory and later the Objectives Resolution. They criticised Zia’s education policy for promoting hatred and intolerance.

Dr Parvez Hoodbouy said that media was one of the major players openly promoting hatred. It was the media, he went on, that considered the theory that foreign agencies could be behind the massacre of the Ismailis, sparing militant outfits which were proudly claiming the attack.

“It must be understood if we don’t treat all citizens as equal, Pakistan can never progress or survive peacefully.”

He said it must be noted that hate material taught in schools was against Article 22 of the Constitution.

Irfan Mufti said that religion had been strongly promoted through politics and this was dangerous because whoever met a certain set criteria was considered a Muslim while anyone outside that circle was in danger today.

“Schools have become factories where children are being churned out with warped mindsets,” he said.

According to research, he said, most of the teachers taught religion in class rather than their own subjects. He said the institutions which taught religion solely should be separated from formal education so that religion had no space in other subjects like science. He said Supreme Court’s decision to revise the curriculum should be taken very seriously.

Peter Jacob quoted some excerpts from textbooks, highlighting some of the “shameful and intolerant perspectives being drilled into the minds of children”. Those excerpts portrayed non-Muslims as negative, preached open hatred, and declared the Muslims more superior. In some places even eminent figures of other religions were regarded as inferior.

But, he said, that most people would live in a state of denial, saying there was no inequality among citizens in the country which was very dangerous. He said too many publishers had made it difficult to monitor such issues.

Amarnath Randhawa said his mathematics teacher would ask him to read Islamiyat in math periods.

Neelum Hussain said hate material affected mostly those people, who considered themselves to be “nice people”. But these people were the same who believe that Muslims were the most persecuted in the world, and never took into account any reasons as to why non-Muslims would ever form a mob. They would never even think if it was the responsibility of the majority Muslims not to set a trend of violence. She said rote learning in schools had affected generations of Pakistanis.

“We have entire generations who only repeat, who cannot think for themselves, whose language skills are poor, and all this suits an authoritarian regime so basically none of this points to any failure by the government,” she said.

“Afterwards when someone questions you, and you do not have the ability to think on your own you react in the form of violence.”

Saroop Ijaz also spoke along with Reverend Bishop Tariq Jamil, and both agreed upon certain basic facts regarding religious discrimination and the violation of the Constitution.

MPA Qamarul Islam Raja the government had made a Publishers’ Regulation Committee which would consider laws for publishers and that no books would be printed without the permission of the textbook board. He said an authority on curriculum was also recently formed to discuss and eliminate hate material from text books.

IA Rehman said that radicalism had come into the system since the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir. He concluded saying that first religious discrimination must end in society in order to be cleared from textbooks and for this society must pressures the government and State to ensure tolerance.

Published in Dawn, May 20th, 2015

Hate material in books has impacted entire generations - Pakistan - DAWN.COM



 
The guy you are calling these names...if at the end of your existence you are as capable and erudite as he is, you would be fortunate. But what would a semi-literate person like you know about that, anti-intellectualism of your kind has ruined your nation, and will further do so.
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Psychic , no offense but you are in over your head, insults cannot make up for incomprehension, let the big boys play. This should be an interesting thread to watch.
Sir pls cool off now, just the big guys discuss why waist your energy?
The problem with these so called big guys is that they are those bigots who have never visited Pakistan and talk on the basis of assumptions and stereotypes whereas I talk from first hand experience of interacting with Pakistanis on a daily basis.
There are certain flaws with our education system but those flaws are not as big as your "big guys" say they are. My posts based on personal observation of the attitude of a common Pakistani and the impact of "hate material" on his views does not mean that what I say is of no value or is baseless.
 
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Debates are done to draw a useful conclusion.It should not be taken as a matter of ego,generally talking.A lot problems lies in Pakistan and one of them is the quality of education.Being a Pakistani,I will deny that Pakistani education system has been biased and my opinion has been developed on basis of my own upbringing and experience in Pakistan.However,I will say that our system has excellently established the syllabus on basis of our mental level.At school level,the topics were touched,but with respect to course levels,our other the politics and other social issues are discussed with acceptance and confessions,plus a good over view of regional game plan has also been discussed.
Since.Pakistan is multicultural country and blessed with people of different religion and ethnicity,therefore their views might contradict with syllabus as well.

regards
 
Debates are done to draw a useful conclusion.It should not be taken as a matter of ego,generally talking.A lot problems lies in Pakistan and one of them is the quality of education.Being a Pakistani,I will deny that Pakistani education system has been biased and my opinion has been developed on basis of my own upbringing and experience in Pakistan.However,I will say that our system has excellently established the syllabus on basis of our mental level.At school level,the topics were touched,but with respect to course levels,our other the politics and other social issues are discussed with acceptance and confessions,plus a good over view of regional game plan has also been discussed.
Since.Pakistan is multicultural country and blessed with people of different religion and ethnicity,therefore their views might contradict with syllabus as well.

regards

As I have posted earlier, this is a complex issue, but it is important to note that there is a proper process in place for suggesting, discussing and finally implementing any changes that might be needed from time to time. A curriculum can not be static, so if some deficiencies exist today, they can be removed tomorrow, by following due process. After all, every nation wants its future generations to be able to deal with the challenges of their times.
 
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The problem with these so called big guys is that they are those bigots who have never visited Pakistan and talk on the basis of assumptions and stereotypes whereas I talk from first hand experience of interacting with Pakistanis on a daily basis.
There are certain flaws with our education system but those flaws are not as big as your "big guys" say they are. My posts based on personal observation of the attitude of a common Pakistani and the impact of "hate material" on his views does not mean that what I say is of no value or is baseless.
Zebra7 specifically asked me to shut up but I have to ask....can you list out all the flaws you see in the Pakistan education system, just a list without adding your opinion and also a list of the strengths. I think it would be good to see your point of view. ...sorry zebra7 :happy:
 

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